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Saver with Win7


peter_pc2a
 

Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10,? it works

Any idea?

Peter


 

Try to turn off antivirus protection. Mine have a same problem,
working fine on Windows 10 but hanging when running on windows 7. Turn it
off kapersky antivirus protection then solve the problem.

Regards

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 14:54 peter_pc2a <pc2a@...> wrote:

Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10, it works

Any idea?

Peter




 

Hi Peter,
thanks for trying at least :-)

If you're running the latest release (if not, you should be ;-), please do
try to use the command line option "-D logfile.txt" This will log all
debugging information to the file name you specify. You can then try
sending the log file to me after a crash/lockup, and I will try to see if I
can figure out what's going wrong.

If you're the curious type, and want to follow along with the debugging,
"-d" outputs log information to the console.

My email is mihtjel@... if you want to send me a log file.

I hope you get it working!
--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 08:54, peter_pc2a <pc2a@...> wrote:

Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10, it works

Any idea?

Peter




peter_pc2a
 

No Virus protection is on, so must be something different

Peter

Op 25-9-2019 om 9:05 schreef uni berry:

Try to turn off antivirus protection. Mine have a same problem,
working fine on Windows 10 but hanging when running on windows 7. Turn it
off kapersky antivirus protection then solve the problem.

Regards

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 14:54 peter_pc2a <pc2a@...> wrote:

Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10, it works

Any idea?

Peter




 

Hi Peter,
I missed the SP1 service pack under win7 32bit and also needed Ms VC ++. Without them I couldn't start. Unfortunately for some reason I could only install SP1 with an integrated installer with a full system installation, but now everything works fine.
Good luck in debugging.

73&dx: Gyula


 

A bit off topic, perhaps, but tell me, how do I expand an email address like mihtjel@... ?
I keep seeing all the time but it doesn't work with my email client (Thunderbird).

Bruce, K4TQL


 

Hi Bruce,
I'm not certain quite how it works via groups.io, but I did attempt to put
my email (mihtjel@...) in the body of the email I sent earlier, in
order that Peter (and others) could contact me directly, should they need
to.

I should probably set up an official email address for nanovna-saver at
some point, given the number of users it's starting to accrue, but for now,
gmail is doing fine at sorting them for me. ;-)

--
Rune

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 15:50, BruceN <k4tql@...> wrote:

A bit off topic, perhaps, but tell me, how do I expand an email address
like mihtjel@... ?
I keep seeing all the time but it doesn't work with my email client
(Thunderbird).

Bruce, K4TQL




 

Using Thunderbird, and perhaps other email clients, you should see the poster's full email address on the "From" line at the top of the email header. For instance, when I look at your email (to which I am replying here), I see k4tql@....

One can right-click on the email address and copy it.

DaveD

On 9/25/2019 9:50 AM, BruceN wrote:
A bit off topic, perhaps, but tell me, how do I expand an email address like mihtjel@... ?
I keep seeing all the time but it doesn't work with my email client (Thunderbird).

Bruce, K4TQL


 

peter_pc2a

I am running nanovna-saver.v0.0.11 on Win 7 - 64 bit and it is working great. The software is very useful and seems to be quite stable.

Rune: I know you are quite busy. Here is a suggestion: I would like to see group delay added to the measurements. Thanks, again, for all of your great work.

--
Bryan, WA5VAH


 

Thanks for the suggestion, Bryan. It sounds interesting. Do you know if/how
group delay is determined from S-parameters?

I'm not really an RF engineer, so I have had to figure out all these things
from the ground up ;-)

(Also, no more busy than I can easily answer emails. :-)
--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 16:17, bryburns via Groups.Io <bryburns=
[email protected]> wrote:

peter_pc2a

I am running nanovna-saver.v0.0.11 on Win 7 - 64 bit and it is working
great. The software is very useful and seems to be quite stable.

Rune: I know you are quite busy. Here is a suggestion: I would like to
see group delay added to the measurements. Thanks, again, for all of your
great work.

--
Bryan, WA5VAH




 

Hi Rune,

The group delay (GD) is obtained from the transmission phase, S21. The negated value of phase shift calculated as the small change in phase shift occurring with a small change in frequency. The difference in phase with difference in frequency (the aperture) taken small enough to arrive at an accurate value for GD.

The site below is a good reference and provides a useful calculator so you can test your routine:



Regards,

Alan


 

Thanks Alan! See, I didn't even figure out it was an S21 measurement :D

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 16:37, alan victor <avictor73@...> wrote:

Hi Rune,

The group delay (GD) is obtained from the transmission phase, S21. The
negated value of phase shift calculated as the small change in phase shift
occurring with a small change in frequency. The difference in phase with
difference in frequency (the aperture) taken small enough to arrive at an
accurate value for GD.

The site below is a good reference and provides a useful calculator so you
can test your routine:



Regards,

Alan




 

With totally different software (National Fire Information Reporting System),
installing on Windows 7 you need to ignore the default install location and go direct to the C: drive.
With the default location you're in permissions hell.

I don't know if this is relevant but it might be.

Bear W5VZB


 

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54 PM, peter_pc2a wrote:


Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10,? it works

Any idea?

Peter
We had the same problem here... works with Win10 but not Win7. Not sure if this is the cause of your problem.
We found that Win7 did not have latest Framework 4.0.
Many software developers assume that we all have the latest versions.
We finally gave up trying to get it to work with Win7 on all of the laptops here.


 

One other note Rune. And others can comment in if I am off base. After thinking about this a bit more, there may be an issue in obtaining GD and what is known as differential group delay accurately particularly for NARROW band networks. The Nanovna is currently limited to 101 data points. No issue for wide band networks but for narrow band there may be a problem with just 101 points to obtain a sufficiently small aperture. As a rule of thumb, to get GD proper, the frequency step size must be a fraction of the network band width. Taking that into consideration, 101 data points may fall short of the desired resolution to obtain GD. Maybe not, have to run a simulation for grins on say a crystal filter or a very high Q LC filter and see if this is an issue. FUN!

Alan


 

Hi George (and others),
the .exe for NanoVNA-Saver is built on Windows 7 - on a virtual machine
that's used for nothing else. It has the build tools installed, but
otherwise is just a (fully updated) clean Windows 7 install.

I'm not sure what else I can do to make it run on a clean Windows 7? I
*do* assume that people install updates - I don't think I have any way to
generate executables that will work on un-updated machines, or indeed on
Windows XP, which I've recently discovered there are still people using.

If you have any suggestions on what to do to make it more portable, let me
know :-)

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 21:59, George <steber@...> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54 PM, peter_pc2a wrote:


Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10, it works

Any idea?

Peter
We had the same problem here... works with Win10 but not Win7. Not sure if
this is the cause of your problem.
We found that Win7 did not have latest Framework 4.0.
Many software developers assume that we all have the latest versions.
We finally gave up trying to get it to work with Win7 on all of the
laptops here.




 

Hi Alan,
one of the features of NanoVNA-Saver - the prime one, really, from my point
of view - is the ability to sweep many more than 101 points. I think I've
used it up to 20200 points at one time, but I believe there are people who
have tried more ;-)

So it should be possible to get decent data, I hope.

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 22:02, alan victor <avictor73@...> wrote:

One other note Rune. And others can comment in if I am off base. After
thinking about this a bit more, there may be an issue in obtaining GD and
what is known as differential group delay accurately particularly for
NARROW band networks. The Nanovna is currently limited to 101 data points.
No issue for wide band networks but for narrow band there may be a problem
with just 101 points to obtain a sufficiently small aperture. As a rule of
thumb, to get GD proper, the frequency step size must be a fraction of the
network band width. Taking that into consideration, 101 data points may
fall short of the desired resolution to obtain GD. Maybe not, have to run a
simulation for grins on say a crystal filter or a very high Q LC filter and
see if this is an issue. FUN!

Alan




 

Rune, Excellent... Very good, that is a very nice benefit.

Alan


 

Rune,

You are doing fine work. Keep it up.

But I hope you can understand the frustration of not being able to run the software on the many laptops and other computers that have not been upgraded to Win10. We do not want to install a bloated Framework 4.0 when it already has Framework 3.5 --- just to run one program.

If you ever get it to run on WinXP that would be a big big plus!

I'm sure a software developers life is full of headaches. Hope you hang in there. Your work is appreciated by many here.

By the way, how did this thread get hi-jacked away from dealing with Win7 issues?

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 01:12 PM, Rune Broberg wrote:


Hi George (and others),
the .exe for NanoVNA-Saver is built on Windows 7 - on a virtual machine
that's used for nothing else. It has the build tools installed, but
otherwise is just a (fully updated) clean Windows 7 install.

I'm not sure what else I can do to make it run on a clean Windows 7? I
*do* assume that people install updates - I don't think I have any way to
generate executables that will work on un-updated machines, or indeed on
Windows XP, which I've recently discovered there are still people using.

If you have any suggestions on what to do to make it more portable, let me
know :-)

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 21:59, George <steber@...> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54 PM, peter_pc2a wrote:


Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10, it works

Any idea?

Peter
We had the same problem here... works with Win10 but not Win7. Not sure if
this is the cause of your problem.
We found that Win7 did not have latest Framework 4.0.
Many software developers assume that we all have the latest versions.
We finally gave up trying to get it to work with Win7 on all of the
laptops here.




 

Hi George,
I'm not suggesting you need to upgrade to Windows 10 - as mentioned, the
app is built on and runs on Windows 7.

I don't know anything about Framework 4.0 or Framework 3.5, but a quick
look reveals that Microsoft .NET Framework 4.0 was released just under nine
and half years ago. I don't specify anything in my software to say that
it's required, but I could see why the build software might assume it is
installed on PCs in current use. ;-)

I do think it requires some version of the Microsoft VC++ redistributable
packages. But again, I couldn't say which: The build machine never had any
externally added to it that did not come automatically with Windows Update.

As to thread hi-jacking, I have no idea. I try to reply to the posts that
address me and/or my software fairly quickly, and I rarely pay that much
attention to the rest of the thread unless I really need to. I can't keep
track of all the threads I get involved with anyway ;-)

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 23:04, George <steber@...> wrote:

Rune,

You are doing fine work. Keep it up.

But I hope you can understand the frustration of not being able to run the
software on the many laptops and other computers that have not been
upgraded to Win10. We do not want to install a bloated Framework 4.0 when
it already has Framework 3.5 --- just to run one program.

If you ever get it to run on WinXP that would be a big big plus!

I'm sure a software developers life is full of headaches. Hope you hang in
there. Your work is appreciated by many here.

By the way, how did this thread get hi-jacked away from dealing with Win7
issues?

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 01:12 PM, Rune Broberg wrote:


Hi George (and others),
the .exe for NanoVNA-Saver is built on Windows 7 - on a virtual machine
that's used for nothing else. It has the build tools installed, but
otherwise is just a (fully updated) clean Windows 7 install.

I'm not sure what else I can do to make it run on a clean Windows 7? I
*do* assume that people install updates - I don't think I have any way to
generate executables that will work on un-updated machines, or indeed on
Windows XP, which I've recently discovered there are still people using.

If you have any suggestions on what to do to make it more portable, let
me
know :-)

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 21:59, George <steber@...> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54 PM, peter_pc2a wrote:


Hi

I have a problem to get Saver working together with Win7
The program starts, but as soon I connect the VNA the program top
working

Did try on Win7 32, 64 and different pc's, but same result
Swap HD op the pc and run Win10, it works

Any idea?

Peter
We had the same problem here... works with Win10 but not Win7. Not
sure if
this is the cause of your problem.
We found that Win7 did not have latest Framework 4.0.
Many software developers assume that we all have the latest versions.
We finally gave up trying to get it to work with Win7 on all of the
laptops here.