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If you have calibration data as impedance and delay, but want S11 s1p format,
then VNWA software can generate it, according to Kurt Poulsen.

in the VNWA software you simply open a custom trace

I did not expect this "simply" to be so tricky. It appears that
VNWA documentation >>never explains<< how to open a custom trace window.

Help has a section about what to do when already in custom sweep window,
but getting there may be something that lucky folks are born already knowing...

Also, Frequency Range, under Settings, >>does not set Start and Stop<<, only Linear vs Log vs Listed...?

I guess this software may discourage many from purchasing the supported hardware.

The answers:
* right-click mouse button in the main window and select Trace Options,
which launches a dialog box titled 'Display Settings'
Custom is selected by scrolling down in small box next to color sample for Trace 1-6

* left double-click near Start or Stop frequencies will launch 'Input' dialog box
to set those frequency values. Sweep Mode is also selected here,
making Frequency Range option in main window Settings less than useful.

in the Expression line write s_load or s_open or s_short or s_thrumatch or s_thru
then the trace is shown according for the custom trace to be shown
as you like in Smith, dB of what ever representation
then to save directly as s1p file by a right click on the trace and use the "Export to s1p file" function.

Well, right-click on trace launches another dialog box, but no options for saving it

Hi Oristo
In the help file search in index for "trace types" there all the various and very many trace types are described also custom traces. The trick is to double click on any trace type name e.g. Smith on the lower line, and that mean any of the trace name, and the page come up with all the trace settings, and in the six wide prompt line you decided what you want to have displayed form a long drop down list e.g. dB Smith, phase and so on. In the slim prompt line you decide to what the representation just chosen must belong to, from another long drop down list S21, S11, S12, S22 and so on, and here you find the 6 custom traces. Notice if using subexpressions all 6 custom traces share these subexpression, but the top Expression line are fully individual, and in most cases you can hold the entire expression in that line.
Each custom trace can be given a Caption name, which is shown along the custom traces in the lower trace line. Here is a refinement for all traces as a right click on the trace name, e.g. the custom trace caption name and on other traces e.g. S11, you get the option to save to s1p.
For a custom trace to open the trace settings window to e.g. change color, you mist double click on the trace representation e.g. dB, to the right for the caption name. If you double click on the caption name the Custom trace is opened.
There are many other feature by right clicking around.
If the help file will not open as an old fashion Windows help file, I have a little tool which in window 10 open up for the chm files.
Kind regards
Kurt

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Sendt: 4. november 2019 23:53
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Emne: [nanovna-users] VNWA software #calibration

If you have calibration data as impedance and delay, but want S11 s1p format, then VNWA software can generate it, according to Kurt Poulsen.

in the VNWA software you simply open a custom trace

I did not expect this "simply" to be so tricky. It appears that VNWA documentation >>never explains<< how to open a custom trace window.

Help has a section about what to do when already in custom sweep window, but getting there may be something that lucky folks are born already knowing...

Also, Frequency Range, under Settings, >>does not set Start and Stop<<, only Linear vs Log vs Listed...?

I guess this software may discourage many from purchasing the supported hardware.

The answers:
* right-click mouse button in the main window and select Trace Options,
which launches a dialog box titled 'Display Settings'
Custom is selected by scrolling down in small box next to color sample for Trace 1-6

* left double-click near Start or Stop frequencies will launch 'Input' dialog box
to set those frequency values. Sweep Mode is also selected here,
making Frequency Range option in main window Settings less than useful.

in the Expression line write s_load or s_open or s_short or
s_thrumatch or s_thru then the trace is shown according for the custom
trace to be shown as you like in Smith, dB of what ever representation
then to save directly as s1p file by a right click on the trace and use the "Export to s1p file" function.

Well, right-click on trace launches another dialog box, but no options for saving it

Hi Kurt -

Thanks for the additional hints, so essential success!

double click on any trace type name on the lower line

... which for the attached VNWA main window are 'Log Mag' or 'Smith'

the page come up with all the trace settings

.. which is titled 'Display Settings', also attached

another long drop down list S21, S11, S12, S22 and so on,
and here you find the 6 custom traces.

... shown below with Custom1/Custom2/Custom3 selected for 'Smith' and 'log magnitude'

the top Expression line are fully individual...
Each custom trace can be given a Caption name

.. shown below with Expression 's_open' and Caption: 'open'

Then, by clicking any of 'short', 'open' or 'Load' words next to check boxes below plots,
not the plot lines, then a dialog box appears with an option for 'Export Trace to s1p'

There are many other feature by right clicking around.

It is IMO a crazy user interface, perhaps if all were by right click instead of some by left double-click..
Anyway, s1p files exported, then can plot in gnuplot, revealing differences between open and short logmag

Hi Oristo

Good to hear about success.
It may be a crazy user interface for you being a custom to something else, but not really for me as been the only VNA for me since it's birth. It is for more than 10 years and I still discover something new right click now and then ?
It started as a DG8SAQ Tom Baier "birdnest" ham project, and concept verified by student project at ULM University, where Tom is a teacher and then it expanded gradually over the years to the fantastic complex level it has to day.

Kind regards

Kurt



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Hi Kurt -



Thanks for the additional hints, so essential success!

double click on any trace type name on the lower line

... which for the attached VNWA main window are 'Log Mag' or 'Smith'

the page come up with all the trace settings

.. which is titled 'Display Settings', also attached

another long drop down list S21, S11, S12, S22 and so on, and here you

find the 6 custom traces.

... shown below with Custom1/Custom2/Custom3 selected for 'Smith' and 'log magnitude'

the top Expression line are fully individual...

Each custom trace can be given a Caption name

.. shown below with Expression 's_open' and Caption: 'open'



Then, by clicking any of 'short', 'open' or 'Load' words next to check boxes below plots, not the plot lines, then a dialog box appears with an option for 'Export Trace to s1p'

There are many other feature by right clicking around.

It is IMO a crazy user interface, perhaps if all were by right click instead of some by left double-click..

Anyway, s1p files exported, then can plot in gnuplot, revealing differences between open and short logmag

I still discover something new right click now and then ?

Sadly, I lack the playful approach.

it expanded gradually over the years to the fantastic complex level

Yes, I researched FA-VA5 before nanoVNA,
but avoided the software until your prompting
because of allergy to controls hidden in graphic user interfaces.
That is why "unhides" nanoVNA screen controls.

A new Wiki page may help others use VNWA software for nanoVNA calibrations:
/g/nanovna-users/wiki/VNWA-software-for-calibration

Hi Oristo
The Yahoo VNWA group is in the process to move to a io group which is a better platform for a Wiki which I am sure will come. I have large number of document I will "flood" the Wiki with in an orderly way
Kind regards
Kurt

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Sendt: 5. november 2019 15:55
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I still discover something new right click now and then ?

Sadly, I lack the playful approach.

it expanded gradually over the years to the fantastic complex level

Yes, I researched FA-VA5 before nanoVNA, but avoided the software until your prompting because of allergy to controls hidden in graphic user interfaces.
That is why "unhides" nanoVNA screen controls.

A new Wiki page may help others use VNWA software for nanoVNA calibrations:
/g/nanovna-users/wiki/VNWA-software-for-calibration

Hi Oristo
Here is the Screen control for the FA-VA5 I have received from AE5CZ Larry Goga and have permission to distribute as I like
Kind regards
Kurt

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Sendt: 5. november 2019 15:55
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Emne: Re: [nanovna-users] VNWA software #calibration

I still discover something new right click now and then ?

Sadly, I lack the playful approach.

it expanded gradually over the years to the fantastic complex level

Yes, I researched FA-VA5 before nanoVNA, but avoided the software until your prompting because of allergy to controls hidden in graphic user interfaces.
That is why "unhides" nanoVNA screen controls.

A new Wiki page may help others use VNWA software for nanoVNA calibrations:
/g/nanovna-users/wiki/VNWA-software-for-calibration