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Jittery , non steady readings


 

Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in 11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)

Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the balun and one at the VNA S11 port. No body / coax inadvertent movements, everything taped down near the antenna.

Thanks


 

If you have a close-by strong source of RF energy like FM or AM
broadcasters, police, ambulance, CB'ers, hams, ....... any of those and
more could be affecting the readings. This is not all that uncommon in
cities when the VNA is connected to a large antenna.

Dave - W?LEV

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 7:51?PM kellogs via groups.io <mihai0226=
[email protected]> wrote:

Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in
11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)

Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the balun
and one at the VNA S11 port. No body / coax inadvertent movements,
everything taped down near the antenna.

Thanks





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*Dave - W?LEV*


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Dave - W?LEV


 

Or to put it simply, the VNA contains a highly specialized radio receiver.

On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 23:03:04 +0000
"W0LEV via groups.io" <davearea51a@...> wrote:

If you have a close-by strong source of RF energy like FM or AM
broadcasters, police, ambulance, CB'ers, hams, ....... any of those and
more could be affecting the readings. This is not all that uncommon in
cities when the VNA is connected to a large antenna.

Dave - W?LEV

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 7:51?PM kellogs via groups.io <mihai0226=
[email protected]> wrote:

Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in
11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)

Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the balun
and one at the VNA S11 port. No body / coax inadvertent movements,
everything taped down near the antenna.

Thanks
--

73

-Jim
NU0C


 

I was thinking that such fluctuations seen in NanoVNA were due to
swinging of my multi-band fan dipole in the wind! That would change the
relative nearness of elements to each other and nearby structures.

Jon, VU2JO

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 4:33?AM W0LEV via groups.io <davearea51a=
[email protected]> wrote:

If you have a close-by strong source of RF energy like FM or AM
broadcasters, police, ambulance, CB'ers, hams, ....... any of those and
more could be affecting the readings. This is not all that uncommon in
cities when the VNA is connected to a large antenna.

Dave - W?LEV

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 7:51?PM kellogs via groups.io <mihai0226=
[email protected]> wrote:

Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in
11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)

Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the balun
and one at the VNA S11 port. No body / coax inadvertent movements,
everything taped down near the antenna.

Thanks





--

*Dave - W?LEV*


--
Dave - W?LEV






 

I live in a quiet neighbourhood; the antenna measures 8 cm from tip to tip. I shall take some measurements at the countryside and report back when I do.


 

I have consistently had this problem measuring inductors, capacitors and
resistors. Just recently I measured a silver mica capacitor that was around
3400 pF. I measured at 475 kHz (630 meter amateur band). As I watched the
display, every time I got a new measurement I would see something like
3420.1
3416.3
3411.8
3418.6
3422.5
3424.2
etc.

I took the average of the measurements as the value. But I don't know why
this was happening. The same happens with resistors and inductors. I could
see the inductors as most likely to pick up radio signals. But I do not
live close to a radio station or any service that is transmitting near me
(as noted on a TinySA). I turned off my wifi and got the same results.

I use a right angle SMA connector with a wire about 3 inches long going
through the opening and soldered to the center pin contact, also another
wire about 3 inches long soldered to the SMA body. I solder the other ends
of the wires to the device under test.

Zack W9SZ

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 2:51?PM kellogs via groups.io <mihai0226=
[email protected]> wrote:

Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in
11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)

Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the balun
and one at the VNA S11 port. No body / coax inadvertent movements,
everything taped down near the antenna.

Thanks





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Is the measurement frequency stable?
Dave
ZL3FJ

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zack Widup via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2025 06:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Jittery , non steady readings

I have consistently had this problem measuring inductors, capacitors and resistors. Just recently I measured a silver mica capacitor that was around
3400 pF. I measured at 475 kHz (630 meter amateur band). As I watched the display, every time I got a new measurement I would see something like
3420.1
3416.3
3411.8
3418.6
3422.5
3424.2
etc.

I took the average of the measurements as the value. But I don't know why this was happening. The same happens with resistors and inductors. I could see the inductors as most likely to pick up radio signals. But I do not live close to a radio station or any service that is transmitting near me (as noted on a TinySA). I turned off my wifi and got the same results.

I use a right angle SMA connector with a wire about 3 inches long going through the opening and soldered to the center pin contact, also another wire about 3 inches long soldered to the SMA body. I solder the other ends of the wires to the device under test.

Zack W9SZ

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 2:51?PM kellogs via groups.io <mihai0226= [email protected]> wrote:

Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in
11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)

Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the
balun and one at the VNA S11 port. No body / coax inadvertent
movements, everything taped down near the antenna.

Thanks





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Yes, it is

Zack W9SZ


On Wed, Apr 2, 2025, 4:12 PM Dave Brown via groups.io <2c39a=
[email protected]> wrote:

Is the measurement frequency stable?
Dave
ZL3FJ

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Zack Widup via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2025 06:14
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Jittery , non steady readings

I have consistently had this problem measuring inductors, capacitors and
resistors. Just recently I measured a silver mica capacitor that was around
3400 pF. I measured at 475 kHz (630 meter amateur band). As I watched the
display, every time I got a new measurement I would see something like
3420.1
3416.3
3411.8
3418.6
3422.5
3424.2
etc.

I took the average of the measurements as the value. But I don't know why
this was happening. The same happens with resistors and inductors. I could
see the inductors as most likely to pick up radio signals. But I do not
live close to a radio station or any service that is transmitting near me
(as noted on a TinySA). I turned off my wifi and got the same results.

I use a right angle SMA connector with a wire about 3 inches long going
through the opening and soldered to the center pin contact, also another
wire about 3 inches long soldered to the SMA body. I solder the other ends
of the wires to the device under test.

Zack W9SZ

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 2:51?PM kellogs via groups.io <mihai0226=
[email protected]> wrote:

Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in
11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)

Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the
balun and one at the VNA S11 port. No body / coax inadvertent
movements, everything taped down near the antenna.

Thanks





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