Re: Measuring Capacitors
I had guessed the DC block above SRF might be useful even when C was not the LF value. Thanks for the insight on R and L, Alan.
Brian
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Brian Beezley
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#39979
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
Well.....here's another one for you: SM inductors. Most of the suppliers
quote Q at 1 MHz.
1) The RF "resistance" (due to skin effect) should be used instead of the
DC resistance.
2) Outside of
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W0LEV
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#39978
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
This is common practice in microwave power amplifiers and and some MMIC designs
as one component brings in two. The R and L for above SRF of the C serves as a DC block
while adding a stabilizing R
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alan victor
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#39977
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
That's what I finally guessed designers must do. Check out the Y21 method plot for capacitance I just posted for a different capacitor. Above the first two resonances, capacitance returns to a
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Brian Beezley
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#39976
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
After looking at more .s2p capacitor files, I've concluded that the file comments refer to the measurement frequency range, not the recommended frequency range for the part.
I've attached
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Brian Beezley
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#39975
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
To elaborate on this a bit. Let’s think about a standard 0602 sized part - that’s 0.06” long or about 1.5 mm. A piece of wire that long has an inductance of about 1.5 nH.
With, say, 33 pF,
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Jim Lux
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#39974
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
Grand! Thank you.
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Steve Withnell
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#39973
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
The max frequency is probably more about where losses get too big.
And they’ll measure for a very wide range. Most design tools can deal with staying away from the SRF, if supplied with the part
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Jim Lux
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#39972
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Re: Jittery , non steady readings
Yes, it is
Zack W9SZ
[email protected]> wrote:
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Zack Widup
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#39971
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
By coincidence, I just added an image showing capacitance and dissipation factor plotted by my S-parameter plotter. It was derived from an .s2p file provided by Kyocera. Scroll to the last
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Brian Beezley
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#39970
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Re: Jittery , non steady readings
Is the measurement frequency stable?
Dave
ZL3FJ
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Dave Brown
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#39969
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
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John Nightingale
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#39968
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Re: Jittery , non steady readings
I have consistently had this problem measuring inductors, capacitors and
resistors. Just recently I measured a silver mica capacitor that was around
3400 pF. I measured at 475 kHz (630 meter amateur
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Zack Widup
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#39967
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Re: Jittery , non steady readings
I live in a quiet neighbourhood; the antenna measures 8 cm from tip to tip. I shall take some measurements at the countryside and report back when I do.
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kellogs
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#39966
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
Too bad it doesn't lead to any practical use. What do you expect me to do with a deadly formula like this?
--
F1AMM
Fran?ois
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Fran?ois
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#39965
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Re: Jittery , non steady readings
I was thinking that such fluctuations seen in NanoVNA were due to
swinging of my multi-band fan dipole in the wind! That would change the
relative nearness of elements to each other and nearby
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Jon
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#39964
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Re: Jittery , non steady readings
Or to put it simply, the VNA contains a highly specialized radio receiver.
"W0LEV via groups.io" <davearea51a@...> wrote:
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73
-Jim
NU0C
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Jim Shorney
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#39963
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Re: Measuring Capacitors
Nothing.. just some places block accesses to various countries, so finding alternate ways to get there is useful.
There was a time when .int was resolved through a DNS server in China, which is
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Jim Lux
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#39962
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Re: Jittery , non steady readings
If you have a close-by strong source of RF energy like FM or AM
broadcasters, police, ambulance, CB'ers, hams, ....... any of those and
more could be affecting the readings. This is not all that
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W0LEV
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#39961
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Jittery , non steady readings
Is it normal for the readings to fluctuate as much as 2-3 ohms ? As in 11+/-1.5 - j(70+/-1.5)
Dipole NMHA (antenna), balun, calibrated, two ferrites: one at the balun and one at the VNA S11 port. No
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kellogs
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