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Re: nano cases

 

There is you metal can, but that was designed to go in the can. Reworking the Nano to go in a can would be more of a pain, because the controles are not laid out in that format.
I might get one of these for HF?? "portable" antenna measurements, wont work at UHF/VHF

On 7/29/2019 11:00 AM, Dave Daniel wrote:
Sark 100 antenna analyser


Re: Best unit to purchase?

 

Ed,
I got mine from Aliexpress vendor:

It's a very nice unit, comes in a plastice case with all the attachments/cables/cal and has a battery.
It took 21 days to Toronto, Canada.
Check my previous posts.

Cheers,
Larry

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 11:06 AM, kg7swp@... wrote:


Looking over my unit, it's a Worse clone". I am returning it, as some of the
measurements are bad.,
Which website should I use to get the proper unit?

Thank you,
Ed


Best unit to purchase?

 

Looking over my unit, it's a Worse clone". I am returning it, as some of the measurements are bad.,
Which website should I use to get the proper unit?

Thank you,
Ed


Re: nano cases

 

Weird. I was just looking at an ad for that sold by StepIR in QEX magazine.

DaveD

Sent from a small flat thingy

On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:47, Mike Brown <mbmail@...> wrote:

For what its worth I have a cheap & cheerful Sark 100 antenna analyser that
is in a metal case. Significantly bigger than the Nano but still convenient
to hand hold. Not perfect but strong enough to hang from a feeder cable or
survive fairly rough handling.

Mike

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 15:06 Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd, <
drkirkby@...> wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 13:32, Frank S <ka2fwc@...> wrote:

I don't think it is worth putting a Pinto engine into a Cadillac
Escalade. It doesn't make it a pocket size antenna analyzer anymore

Yes, possibly a bit bigger than pocket size, but smaller than a Keysight
FieldFox. It sill might fit in decent size pockets.

I don¡¯t think it is much use in your pocket if it is broken!

As with many things, different people have different opinions, and what is
right for one person will not be for another. For me personally, I consider
the construction quality to be too poor.

Dave G8WRB

--
Dr. David Kirkby,





Re: nano cases

 

For what its worth I have a cheap & cheerful Sark 100 antenna analyser that
is in a metal case. Significantly bigger than the Nano but still convenient
to hand hold. Not perfect but strong enough to hang from a feeder cable or
survive fairly rough handling.

Mike

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 15:06 Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd, <
drkirkby@...> wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 13:32, Frank S <ka2fwc@...> wrote:

I don't think it is worth putting a Pinto engine into a Cadillac
Escalade. It doesn't make it a pocket size antenna analyzer anymore

Yes, possibly a bit bigger than pocket size, but smaller than a Keysight
FieldFox. It sill might fit in decent size pockets.

I don¡¯t think it is much use in your pocket if it is broken!

As with many things, different people have different opinions, and what is
right for one person will not be for another. For me personally, I consider
the construction quality to be too poor.

Dave G8WRB

--
Dr. David Kirkby,




Re: Diles, Folders and Wikis on the nanovna group

 

See my comments inline, below.

Sent from a small flat thingy

On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10, Larry Rothman <ac293@...> wrote:

Dave,

Does groups.io support 'sticky' posts that can be used to direct users to the various main areas of the forum?
I¡¯m not sure. The closest thing that I see to that is support for hash tags that allow posts to be associated together. I¡¯ll look to see if sticky posts are supported.

Also, I took the liberty of translating most of edy555's design notes for the NanoVNA and uploaded them in PDF format to the Misc folder in the files section.
Thank you.

That topic might warrant it¡¯s own folder, as there are likely to be numerous documents about the designs that could be co-located.

There are some good notes on his calibration methodology that Alan Victor and others may be interested in.
It strikes me that notes on cal procedures could also warrant a separate folder if they are distinct documents from the various owner¡¯s ¡°manuals¡±.

Regards,
Larry

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 11:14 AM, Dave Daniel wrote:

All,

I have enabled files, photos and wikis for this group. You should be
able to upload files and photos and create wikis now.

Please, please, create subfolders when you upload files or photos. For
single files or photos which do not warrant their own subfolder, I have
created subfolders named "Miscellaneous".

The Photos folder contains 110 photos which are those attached to
previous posts (groups,io did this automatically).

If anyone has questions about these, or discovers a problem, please let
me know.

DaveD




Re: nano cases...

 

Personally, I'd rather see this instrument in a tablet size, something I can easily see; in a real metal box with Type-N connectors and sturdy switches and push-buttons. My need is for an instrument that I can carry to antenna sites for broadcast antenna work. I understand where some folks like tiny pocket size instruments, not sure why, but I'm probably going to go to something like an HP e5061B - a totally different area of an instrument. I like the 8753c or ES but they are pretty big and heavy for schleping to transmitter sites.

Burt, K6OQK

At 05:32 AM 7/29/2019, Frank S wrote
I don't think it is worth putting a Pinto engine into a Cadillac Escalade. It doesn't make it a pocket size antenna analyzer anymore

On 7/29/2019 4:51 AM, Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 06:17, kh6sky <kh6sky@...> wrote:

These cases look nice and fulfill a need but my tendency to spastically
knock stuff off the bench means I will use a larger metal box with switches
and connectors moved to the outer box. The power and control switches seem
too delicate to last. Another reason to put the unit in a box is the
delicate USB connector.
I agree entirely. I think any case should extend out *everything* so you
never put any strain on the device apart from the screen, which I can see
no way of avoiding.

So I think these should be on a case

1) RF connectors - I would use N, not SMA,
2) USB
3) Toggle switch
4) Power switch

For the LED, one could have 3 possibilities
* Small hole
* light pipe
* desolder LED and run wire.

For the battery, I guess one can get away with using the tracks on the


If the plastic case were re-enforced around the USB connector it might help
prevent disasters like mine.
I personally don???t think any amount of reinforcement is going to work as a
long term solution. That will only delay the inevitable a while.

Dave.

Dave.

Burt I. Weiner Associates
Broadcast Technical Services
Glendale, California U.S.A.
biwa@...
K6OQK



--
Burt I. Weiner Associates
Broadcast Technical Services
Glendale, CA? U.S.A.
K6OQK


Re: Diles, Folders and Wikis on the nanovna group

 

Dave,

Does groups.io support 'sticky' posts that can be used to direct users to the various main areas of the forum?

Also, I took the liberty of translating most of edy555's design notes for the NanoVNA and uploaded them in PDF format to the Misc folder in the files section.

There are some good notes on his calibration methodology that Alan Victor and others may be interested in.

Regards,
Larry

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 11:14 AM, Dave Daniel wrote:

All,

I have enabled files, photos and wikis for this group. You should be
able to upload files and photos and create wikis now.

Please, please, create subfolders when you upload files or photos. For
single files or photos which do not warrant their own subfolder, I have
created subfolders named "Miscellaneous".

The Photos folder contains 110 photos which are those attached to
previous posts (groups,io did this automatically).

If anyone has questions about these, or discovers a problem, please let
me know.

DaveD



Re: nano cases

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 13:32, Frank S <ka2fwc@...> wrote:

I don't think it is worth putting a Pinto engine into a Cadillac
Escalade. It doesn't make it a pocket size antenna analyzer anymore

Yes, possibly a bit bigger than pocket size, but smaller than a Keysight
FieldFox. It sill might fit in decent size pockets.

I don¡¯t think it is much use in your pocket if it is broken!

As with many things, different people have different opinions, and what is
right for one person will not be for another. For me personally, I consider
the construction quality to be too poor.

Dave G8WRB

--
Dr. David Kirkby,


Re: nano cases

 

I don't think it is worth putting a Pinto engine into a Cadillac Escalade. It doesn't make it a pocket size antenna analyzer anymore

On 7/29/2019 4:51 AM, Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 06:17, kh6sky <kh6sky@...> wrote:

These cases look nice and fulfill a need but my tendency to spastically
knock stuff off the bench means I will use a larger metal box with switches
and connectors moved to the outer box. The power and control switches seem
too delicate to last. Another reason to put the unit in a box is the
delicate USB connector.
I agree entirely. I think any case should extend out *everything* so you
never put any strain on the device apart from the screen, which I can see
no way of avoiding.

So I think these should be on a case

1) RF connectors - I would use N, not SMA,
2) USB
3) Toggle switch
4) Power switch

For the LED, one could have 3 possibilities
* Small hole
* light pipe
* desolder LED and run wire.

For the battery, I guess one can get away with using the tracks on the


If the plastic case were re-enforced around the USB connector it might help
prevent disasters like mine.
I personally don???t think any amount of reinforcement is going to work as a
long term solution. That will only delay the inevitable a while.

Dave.

Dave.


Re: Possible location of latest VNA source code??

 

You may have pressed the touch screen while adc is initializing.
It might be better to add a wait.

void adc_init(void)
{
rccEnableADC1(FALSE);

/* Calibration procedure.*/
ADC->CCR = 0;
while (ADC1->CR & ADC_CR_ADEN)
;
ADC1->CR |= ADC_CR_ADCAL;
while (ADC1->CR & ADC_CR_ADCAL)
;

ADC1->CR = ADC_CR_ADEN;
while (!(ADC1->ISR & ADC_ISR_ADRDY))
;
}





On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 04:45 AM, Lapo Pieri wrote:


Hi Hugen,
01:12 Fri 26 Jul 19 , hugen@... wrote:
I've reshared the code.
I've recompiled and tested it but it hangs on startup. I've found the
problem in internal adc calibration; commenting out that part of code, i.e.:

void adc_init(void)
{
rccEnableADC1(FALSE);

/* Calibration procedure.*/
/* ADC->CCR = 0; */
/* ADC1->CR |= ADC_CR_ADCAL; */
/* while (ADC1->CR & ADC_CR_ADCAL) */
/* ; */

ADC1->CR = ADC_CR_ADEN;
while (!(ADC1->ISR & ADC_ISR_ADRDY))
;
}

It do the job and nanovna works, fine to me at a first test.

Internal adc is used for touch screen readings, right? So if it isn't
calibrated it should have problems in touch-screen to display allignment,
right? But it doesn't happen to me or it's very small.

So, could you explain me why this adc calibration problem?

I've also notice that after fw update one has to power off the nanovna and
wait until blue led is off and than power on again and issue a new
calibration, otherwise it's impossible to calibrate correctly
(i.e. after a complete calibration measuring tha same open used for
calibration gives ~-8.5dB of return loss...).

Many thanks, I'm going to work on the code!

Lapo, IK5NAX
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 04:45 AM, Lapo Pieri wrote:


It do the job and nanovna works, fine to me at a first test.

Internal adc is used for touch screen readings, right? So if it isn't
calibrated it should have problems in touch-screen to display allignment,
right? But it doesn't happen to me or it's very small.

So, could you explain me why this adc calibration problem?

I've also notice that after fw update one has to power off the nanovna and
wait until blue led is off and than power on again and issue a new
calibration, otherwise it's impossible to calibrate correctly
(i.e. after a complete calibration measuring tha same open used for
calibration gives ~-8.5dB of return loss...).


Re: nano cases

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 06:17, kh6sky <kh6sky@...> wrote:

These cases look nice and fulfill a need but my tendency to spastically
knock stuff off the bench means I will use a larger metal box with switches
and connectors moved to the outer box. The power and control switches seem
too delicate to last. Another reason to put the unit in a box is the
delicate USB connector.

I agree entirely. I think any case should extend out *everything* so you
never put any strain on the device apart from the screen, which I can see
no way of avoiding.

So I think these should be on a case

1) RF connectors - I would use N, not SMA,
2) USB
3) Toggle switch
4) Power switch

For the LED, one could have 3 possibilities
* Small hole
* light pipe
* desolder LED and run wire.

For the battery, I guess one can get away with using the tracks on the


If the plastic case were re-enforced around the USB connector it might help
prevent disasters like mine.

I personally don¡¯t think any amount of reinforcement is going to work as a
long term solution. That will only delay the inevitable a while.

Dave.

Dave.
--
Dr. David Kirkby,


Re: nano cases

 

These cases look nice and fulfill a need but my tendency to spastically knock stuff off the bench means I will use a larger metal box with switches and connectors moved to the outer box. The power and control switches seem too delicate to last. Another reason to put the unit in a box is the delicate USB connector. If the plastic case were re-enforced around the USB connector it might help prevent disasters like mine. On my white Gecko first NanoVNA purchase, the USB connector came loose from the circuit board on the first day. This weakness was also pointed out in the documentation when the NanoVNA was sold as a kit. This was really not easy to fix as some of the traces were pulled from the board, though I did manage with some microscope aided soldering. When my black version arrives, I want to get it into a larger box as soon as I verify it works. You can purchase a small USB extender cable that mounts easily to the outer box. I bought one for my uBitX project.

Perhaps the printed case might be improved by addition of a tongue or bracket that the USB cable could be affixed to. Any sort of strain relief on that connection should be welcomed. Most of you may get by without destroying your USB connection, but for those like me suffer from the dropsies, I suggest you do something to protect that connector.

Jim


Locked Re: Correct button?

 

You are correct and I confirmed on the big box, that is the function performed.

This turns CAL ON or OFF. Again, I suspect hp as well others, added this function as an aid to be sure the correction data sets make sense as a corrective measurement is conducted on a component. Its much easier to do this then preset the instrument and have to do a complete re calibration.

Alan

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of alan victor <avictor73@...>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 1:20 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Correct button?

Good suggestion and it does appear to toggle in that manner.

Now, I have to think why I would toggle corrections ON and OFF, other than to see if the corrections ON make sense.

I am not sure this is a good place to bring up the fact that the STANDARDS provided with the nanoVNA are taken, I believe, by the device and the firmware as IDEAL. Point in fact, they are NOT. Not an issue at lower frequencies unless you want to split hairs. But as you approach 900 MHz, bottom line, when measuring a component, you are not going to get the correct answer.

I emailed the developer on this topic but as of now, no response.

Alan

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger Henderson <hendorog@...>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 1:10 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Correct button?

I would guess it is a mode switch between: 'Apply calibration corrections'
and 'Don't apply calibration corrections'

This feature is present in other VNA's. Am not in front of a device to
confirm it though.

Regards,
Roger

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 13:06, alan victor <avictor73@...> wrote:

Good question Ernst. Let me take a look and see if I can figure it out. I
have a guess that it may have to do with the fact that the standards, open,
short, load are NOT perfect. But... the softkey selection does not lead to
additional menu selection. So far now, it appears to be a PLACE HOLDER for
further work.

Alan

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
dk1vi <dk1vi@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 11:44 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [nanovna-users] Correct button?

Hi,
what is the purpose of the "CORRECT" button in the calibration menu?
I have not read anything about it or did I miss something?
Ernst







Locked Re: Correct button?

 

Good suggestion and it does appear to toggle in that manner.

Now, I have to think why I would toggle corrections ON and OFF, other than to see if the corrections ON make sense.

I am not sure this is a good place to bring up the fact that the STANDARDS provided with the nanoVNA are taken, I believe, by the device and the firmware as IDEAL. Point in fact, they are NOT. Not an issue at lower frequencies unless you want to split hairs. But as you approach 900 MHz, bottom line, when measuring a component, you are not going to get the correct answer.

I emailed the developer on this topic but as of now, no response.

Alan

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger Henderson <hendorog@...>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 1:10 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Correct button?

I would guess it is a mode switch between: 'Apply calibration corrections'
and 'Don't apply calibration corrections'

This feature is present in other VNA's. Am not in front of a device to
confirm it though.

Regards,
Roger

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 13:06, alan victor <avictor73@...> wrote:

Good question Ernst. Let me take a look and see if I can figure it out. I
have a guess that it may have to do with the fact that the standards, open,
short, load are NOT perfect. But... the softkey selection does not lead to
additional menu selection. So far now, it appears to be a PLACE HOLDER for
further work.

Alan

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
dk1vi <dk1vi@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 11:44 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [nanovna-users] Correct button?

Hi,
what is the purpose of the "CORRECT" button in the calibration menu?
I have not read anything about it or did I miss something?
Ernst







Locked Re: Correct button?

 

I would guess it is a mode switch between: 'Apply calibration corrections'
and 'Don't apply calibration corrections'

This feature is present in other VNA's. Am not in front of a device to
confirm it though.

Regards,
Roger

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 13:06, alan victor <avictor73@...> wrote:

Good question Ernst. Let me take a look and see if I can figure it out. I
have a guess that it may have to do with the fact that the standards, open,
short, load are NOT perfect. But... the softkey selection does not lead to
additional menu selection. So far now, it appears to be a PLACE HOLDER for
further work.

Alan

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
dk1vi <dk1vi@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 11:44 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [nanovna-users] Correct button?

Hi,
what is the purpose of the "CORRECT" button in the calibration menu?
I have not read anything about it or did I miss something?
Ernst







Locked Re: Correct button?

 

Good question Ernst. Let me take a look and see if I can figure it out. I have a guess that it may have to do with the fact that the standards, open, short, load are NOT perfect. But... the softkey selection does not lead to additional menu selection. So far now, it appears to be a PLACE HOLDER for further work.

Alan

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of dk1vi <dk1vi@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 11:44 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [nanovna-users] Correct button?

Hi,
what is the purpose of the "CORRECT" button in the calibration menu?
I have not read anything about it or did I miss something?
Ernst


Re: LabView Interface

Joe Smith
 

I uploaded a short video clip showing the current status of my LabView interface.? It's not ready for prime time yet.?

Link is on the EEVBLOG site, same as before.

On Saturday, July 27, 2019, 8:34:11 PM CDT, Joe Smith via Groups.Io <joeqsmith49@...> wrote:

I now have both channels sorted out.? Took a little time away from the project? to have a fresh look.?? I've posted a couple of updated pictures.?? There still some work to do but the basics are working now.?

"www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/nanovna-custom-software/new/#new"

NanoVNA Custom Software - Page 1

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? ? On Friday, July 26, 2019, 12:08:06 PM CDT, Joe Smith via Groups.Io <joeqsmith49@...> wrote:

? I started to look at the "data 1" array to implement S21.?? So far, no luck.? Like the "data 0" array, it appears to send two different arrays that are interlaced.? ? One thing I did run into when I first tried it, the communications was not reliable. ? It seems that sending the two commands "data 0 data 1" too quickly can cause the VNA some distress.? Adding some delay between commands appears to have solved it. ??
? On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 4:15:55 PM EDT, Joe Smith via Groups.Io <joeqsmith49@...> wrote:

? Thanks for taking the time to dig up all those links.??? The first link uses the included Smith chart.? This is what I show in my screen shot.?? This works but I really want some basic features like cursors.??? The others appear to use the same method I have done in the past, basically overlaying graphics on an X-Y.?? This is the direction I am planning once again as looking at NI's site, it appears they have nothing new to offer.??
? On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 3:38:11 PM EDT, Larry Rothman <ac293@...> wrote:

Would this help?

An Old Friend in New Clothes:Smith Charts in LabVIEW
? Proceedings of the 2013 ASEE North Central Section Conference
? Copyright ? 2013, American Society for Engineering Education OFNC1
? ?

There are also:
?
?
?
?
?
I hope these help you and others.

Cheers,
Larry


Locked Correct button?

 

Hi,
what is the purpose of the "CORRECT" button in the calibration menu?
I have not read anything about it or did I miss something?
Ernst


Re: Possible location of latest VNA source code??

DMR
 

Hi to all! I ask for help, is it possible to compile the source code in the Windows 10 OS?