Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Rogers Corp. provides a calculator called MWI (Microwave Impedance) which I find extremely useful. You have to sign up for a free account with them (which I have had anyway). Then you can download MWI
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Zack Widup
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
For accurate S11 measurements of that microstrip at 1 GHz. you need a good reference plane and termination load. You can't put an SMA connector at the end of the microstrip and then use a SMA male
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Roger Need
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#18471
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
FR4 or XXXP is significantly cheaper than Rogers, though. There are plenty of applications where you just don't care. A microwave motion detector at 10GHz has short traces, and doesn't care what the
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Jim Lux
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#18470
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
The calibration load -- NanoVNA Wiki: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/home NanoVNA Files: /g/nanovna-users/files Erik, PD0EK
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Erik Kaashoek
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#18469
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
What did you use as a load for close to 50 +j0 at 1 GHz. ?? Roger
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Roger Need
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#18468
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Far end was terminated with nominal load. This was 20cm coax! -- NanoVNA Wiki: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/home NanoVNA Files: /g/nanovna-users/files Erik, PD0EK
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Erik Kaashoek
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#18467
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Yes -- NanoVNA Wiki: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/home NanoVNA Files: /g/nanovna-users/files Erik, PD0EK
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Erik Kaashoek
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#18466
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Good point on FR4 Er vs frequency, I forget what reasonably affordable dielectrics do! Here are a couple of simulations of microstrip: Er vs freq from
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RayC
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#18465
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Roger & the group, I stand corrected.The Z0 does change with freq.For coax, the change is small (<5%).For Ham purposes (HF), it is negligible.For VHF & UHF, if you use quality coax (Heliax), it is
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Jose Mihotek
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Re: Selecting proper firmware
@Christian, thanks, I'll do that.
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AllassoPraise <allassopraise@...>
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
However, changing from 4.4 to 3.8 is going to show a Z change (ignoring the effects of loss, which are substantial) of sqrt(4.4/3.8) or about 7-8%. A 50 ohm line at 1 GHz would be a 54 ohm line at
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Jim Lux
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Yes, that's pretty typical for lossy coax - but you're not seeing the coax's impedance changing, you're seeing the terminal impedance changing as as the coax is different numbers of wavelengths long,
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Jim Lux
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Is the line terminated in the nominal impedance? or are we just seeing the reflection from the end, with loss?
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Jim Lux
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Re: Selecting proper firmware
Perhaps it's best to ask NanoVNA *V2* specific questions in the NanoVNA *V2* group: /g/NanoVNAV2? They make it very clear over there that "you will only get support on [that] forum".
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Christian Zietz
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Re: Selecting proper firmware
Mike4U's comment on github: https://github.com/NanoVNA-Saver/nanovna-saver/issues/322 Indicates with the new firmware, there is a workaround by doing a little dance using the on-board set-up. IAE,
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AllassoPraise <allassopraise@...>
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#18458
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Re: Selecting proper firmware
I can't help with the firmware (yet), but if NanoVNA-saver is crashing it's not the firmware causing it, it's NanoVNA-save itself (needs fixing).
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OneOfEleven
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#18457
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Selecting proper firmware
I'd like to update my firmware in hopes of correcting a problem with nanovna-saver crashing with my device. In the "Version" display of my vna, it says "NanoVNA V2_2" The current firmware is
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AllassoPraise <allassopraise@...>
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#18456
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Hi Kent, nice to see you here. I have a couple of your pcb logper antennas (850-6500 MHz) that I use in my lab. Great antennas, real bargain! Tip for buyers: buy 2 of them, then you can measure the
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Reinier Gerritsen
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Except for the high dollar RF materials, yes the Er of common fiberglass PCB material does change with frequency!! The Er = 4.4 measurement is made at 1000 Hz!?? Audio range. By the time you get to
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KENT BRITAIN
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#18454
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Re: Measuring characteristic impedance of a stripline with a nanoVNA-H
Forgot the S11 plot of the bad coax -- NanoVNA Wiki: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/home NanoVNA Files: /g/nanovna-users/files Erik, PD0EK
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Erik Kaashoek
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#18453
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