Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
#general_vna
Yes, If I get within two feet of my coil at resonance, I can see the Q start to drop. I use about 10" of styrofoam to get the coil away from the Q meter, probably not far enough, but it's the best I
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Mikek
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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I'm sure you're right, Jim. I think most experimenters grab whatever is at hand and press it into service as a coil form. No telling what its characteristics really are. At one time or another I've
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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On 10/11/22 7:21 AM, Brian Beezley wrote: > After much searching, I was able to locate D-2852, the ASTM standard for the styrene pipe coupling. As expected from the application, it does not contain
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Jim Lux
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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Hi Brian, Those Qs are higher than anything I have made, However, I would like to see a real world case on PVC that has a higher Q than my so called styrene coupler. Can you run my coil? Dimensions
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Mikek
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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After much searching, I was able to locate D-2852, the ASTM standard for the styrene pipe coupling. As expected from the application, it does not contain any electrical specs. Here's the description
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Brian Beezley
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Re: White screen
Well, with the H version, the solder on the LCD's ribbon cable can sometimes crack and cause the white screen. I had this on one of my units. You need to VERY carefully run a thin wire under the metal
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Larry Rothman
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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Excel does allow you to curve fit and then find an extrapolated value. It will provide you with the curve fitted formula.
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F4WCV
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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Your antivirus program is probably keeping you from opening the ZIP file. Send the file to https://www.virustotal.com/gui/home/url to assure yourself that it's virus-free and then disable your
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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I can open the above page but the Coil.Zip keeps say connection reset while loading. I think that would depend on the crystal set builder. I was active on the now *defunct 'The Radioboard' crystal
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Mikek
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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1. Use this program to calculate coil inductance and Q. It models skin effect, proximity effect, and more subtle effects for both solid and Litz wire: http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/coil.htm Results agree
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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That is true in some circumstances, it depends on the inductor in question and the frequency. For a 240uh air core inductor at BCB frequencies, I doubt silver would beat litz, because of skin effect.
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Mikek
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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Hello Mikek, From my point of view it will be better to use thick silver-plated copper wire for high-Q inductors. -- Bert W
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Bert W
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Re: White screen
I'm having the same problem with my H4 and started exactly the same way! I tried with a different FW but the same results... So it would be nice to know if someone resolved this issue successfully?
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Vuk
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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Absolutely, the form I showed in the picture uses a styrene form, styrene is high on the list of low loss materials. I was borrowing someone else's time and lathe work or I would had the form turned
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Mikek
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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Coil forms contribute dielectric losses. It's fairly common to see coils that use plastic rods or strips rods to keep the windings appropriately spaced while minimizing dielectric losses.
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Lou W7HV
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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Yes, the capacitor loses will be much less than the inductor. A very good air cap can have Qs from 8,000 to 20,000. A really good Q for an inductor is 1400, but some have built BCB inductors near
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Mikek
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
#general_vna
My observation/experience with inductors that large (~240uH) at those frequencies is caused by two effects: 1) skin effect 2) proximity effect. The latter being less known about yet a significant
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Charlie Thompson
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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That is why I have the question, from my quick reading of the paper, it seemed like the author separated them, but I agree with you, at resonance you can't separate them. By extrapolate to zero, here
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Mikek
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Re: Measuring Air Capacitor losses
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If you use a resonant circuit to find the Q the loss with be combination of both the L and C. You can only separate it if you can independently measure the loss of the coil or capacitor without the
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F4WCV
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White screen
The NanoVNA-H suddenly has a white screen. I am able to use a PC and it seems to be working. This afternoon was going to see if I could work my way thru the problem and the battery was dead. After
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cemick@...
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