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Re: NanoVNA connected to Amazon Fire tablet

 

Read my note on purchasing Chromebooks. They actually come with an 'expiry date' after which Google will no longer offer any type of updates. A number of forum members have installed Linux on their older Chromebooks due to this 'Feature'.?
/g/nanovna-users/message/7894
Looks like Amazon is learning from Google

On Monday, December 23, 2019, 11:04:18 a.m. GMT-5, Lawrence Macionski via Groups.Io <am_fm_radio@...> wrote:

hwalker- L.Rothman-

A couple of weeks after I bought the FIRE as it's only 4 months old yesterday. Amazon sent me a "Special Offer" to trade in my FIRE for the "Latest". I felt it was a "Bulk email" to all FIRE Owners on their list, which it was, but they never indicated #1 there was a problem #2 the problem will continue as new apps are released that take advantage of later versions of Android 5.. which was obsolete that day I bought it..I'm not sure but They were haaving a "PRIME DAY" and suckered me like they did Joe and Sally Sixpack.. What pisses me off more I gave away my 7 inch quad core Samsung to a deserving young lady who lost a baby to SIDS. She was here last weekend housecleaning for some Christmas money. I should trade back for the FIRE.. And I bought the fire with 64Gb RAM not 32.... Anyhow... 2 options - Amazon offers 7.3.1.1 as a download .bin file... Yet no instructions. How woul done install it and would it work, or did they change hardware. Both are Octo-cores..

I saw this too.. Has anyone tried it... the claims seem to indicate an advantage to where I am at with regard to being "Throttled" by Amazon. BUT- it does not change the level of my OS...? My point being even if I "UN-Throttle" Amazon will the NovaVNA app run on OS based on Android 5... Here is the link:



Merry Christmas to all, I'm leaving for the Airport, I'm schelping the family too cheap to hire an UBER driver today..relatives coming to town, bearing critizims and opinions galore..Tiz the season... reminder to self--Stop at Liquor store. The 3 beers I put in the Fridge after Field Days are hanging on the tree empty as of last night.....


Re: Choke Series resonant frequency measurement

 

Thanks for the feedback and link Ady.

Once the cal is complete, the measurement plane is 50 ohms. Assume the cal is accurate and complete, the fixture will actually be a larger error contributor than the vna itself. It cannot be over emphasized that these large chokes must be measured in-situation as they are used. The parasitic present will be altered dependent on their placement.

I had this vna running for some other work and took a look at one of these larger unmodified plate chokes. The first clockwise crossing is the standard SRF of the parallel resonate point. Sorry for the blur photo but you can see the 2- series resonance loops, one at ~ 15 MHz, the larger, and a second smaller one at 21 MHz. This second small loop is problematic. This measurement is taken with 401 date points.

Use of the vna will require more than 101 data points to properly resolve the loops. Use of the feature in PC saver routine is required. Cal over several 100 points is necessary to achieve the loop signature clearly.

Alan


Re: First PCB pictures of the V2

 

It would not. GPL:ed software does not care about the license of the hardware it runs on.
If it did, Dell and Lenovo would have to release the schematics and board files of their offerings running Linux out of the box :)

Edy555 also released the schematics under a permissive license, but the pcb artwork was not released. Hugens NanoVNA-G is their original pcb artwork, even if it is firmware compatible with the original NanoVNA.
Similarily thus NanoVNA 3ghz/SAA/v2 is original artwork.
Only thing in common with other NanoVNA's is the name and firmware compability.


Re: NanoVNA connected to Amazon Fire tablet

 

hwalker- L.Rothman-

A couple of weeks after I bought the FIRE as it's only 4 months old yesterday. Amazon sent me a "Special Offer" to trade in my FIRE for the "Latest". I felt it was a "Bulk email" to all FIRE Owners on their list, which it was, but they never indicated #1 there was a problem #2 the problem will continue as new apps are released that take advantage of later versions of Android 5.. which was obsolete that day I bought it..I'm not sure but They were haaving a "PRIME DAY" and suckered me like they did Joe and Sally Sixpack.. What pisses me off more I gave away my 7 inch quad core Samsung to a deserving young lady who lost a baby to SIDS. She was here last weekend housecleaning for some Christmas money. I should trade back for the FIRE.. And I bought the fire with 64Gb RAM not 32.... Anyhow... 2 options - Amazon offers 7.3.1.1 as a download .bin file... Yet no instructions. How woul done install it and would it work, or did they change hardware. Both are Octo-cores..

I saw this too.. Has anyone tried it... the claims seem to indicate an advantage to where I am at with regard to being "Throttled" by Amazon. BUT- it does not change the level of my OS... My point being even if I "UN-Throttle" Amazon will the NovaVNA app run on OS based on Android 5... Here is the link:



Merry Christmas to all, I'm leaving for the Airport, I'm schelping the family too cheap to hire an UBER driver today..relatives coming to town, bearing critizims and opinions galore..Tiz the season... reminder to self--Stop at Liquor store. The 3 beers I put in the Fridge after Field Days are hanging on the tree empty as of last night.....


Re: New extended Tutorial Version 1.5. for the NanoVNA-H

 

Hello Gunthard,
Thank You very much for your wonderful web site
with so many GREAT tutorials !

NE7LS

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 10:54 PM Gunthard Kraus <mail@...>
wrote:

Hello Friends,
I have my tutorial extended by a chapter "The NanoVNA-H used up to 1500
(1300) MHz" and uploaded to my Homepage ( www.gunthard-kraus.de) as
Version 1.5.
The chapter contains also a 110 MHz LPF tested up to 1300 MHz as a
practical example.

Have fun with it.

73's

Gunthard , DG8GB



--




n_n


Re: errors of "error" models

 

ann : next-to-come : on the comparison of our picture with that by Erik, PD0EK


Re: errors of "error" models

 

#90.04: Another one Estimated Value of Core Uncertainty in Z Measurement
-
Continuing our guesses regarding the references of Gary O'Neil, N3GO
:
23 December 2019 - /g/nanovna-users/message/8585
:
... but, on the other hand, if you ask if we can replace the legitimate - by
the Decent Manufacturer of the Standards - S, L, O values, we chosen in
our other program:


#90: On the -Second- Arithmetical Method of Error Estimations in VNA
Measurements - 22 December 2019 - /g/nanovna-users/message/8505

e.g. by the uncertainty values:

S: 0.99*(cos(pi*(+178/180))+%i*(sin(pi*(+178/180))))$
L: -0.029*(cos(pi*0/180)+%i*(sin(pi*0/180)))$
O: 0.99*(cos(pi*(-2/180))+%i*(sin(pi*(-2/180))))$

which result to be the conjugates of the previous ones, then the answer is positive,
simply because these values are also legitimated by the Decent Manufacturer of the
Standards - they are within the uncertainty limit he provided to The Common User.

By the way, the Core Uncertainty which is propagated from the Standards to Z, and
was estimated in:

#90.01 : Final Conclusion
22 December 2019 - /g/nanovna-users/message/8521

having its part values:

( Rt : +5% , Xt : +13% )

now, after the above replacement, results to also has the part values:

( Rt : - 5% , Xt : - 19% )

and so on...

Sincerely,

gin&pez@arg


Re: First PCB pictures of the V2

Pierre Martel
 

On the software side, Edy555 released his software under the GPL licence.

Would that put the hardware under such licence? I am not sure.

But Gabriel is telling us that the new product have nothing to do with
the hardware version of Edy555.

Le ven. 20 d¨¦c. 2019 ¨¤ 11:21, Gyula Molnar <gyula.ha3hz@...> a ¨¦crit :

Didn't you think you should call it OwOVNA?



Re: errors of "error" models

 

@Gary, N3GO
22 December 2019 - /g/nanovna-users/message/8572

Dear Gary,

Well, these are interesting issues indeed, but we are not sure exactly where we have
to look at, so we can only guess, e.g. if you are referenced at our positive conclusion:
#89: On the Comparison of our Formulation with that by Erik, PD0EK" - 22 December
2019 - /g/nanovna-users/message/8494 , then you may have to take
into account that our positive result : "true" is made possible only after we included
in our program all the needed corrections to Erik's program - as we suggested with:
@Erik, PD0EK - 21 December 2019 - /g/nanovna-users/message/8482

So, would you, please, be more specific regarding to what you are referenced at ?

Best regards,

gin&pez@arg


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.2.0

 

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:20:10 +0100, you wrote:

Hi Andy,
Thanks for your comments! I'm not entirely sure what the NanoVNA returns
via the serial port when changed to TDR mode - but since NanoVNA-Saver does
have its own TDR function built in, I think it's more useful to just work
on that instead. :-)
I tried to use the TDR on the Saver program,
but it shows cable lenghts from 8 meters to 4 kilometers,
depending on what I dunno.

I have not yet found a procedure how to do TDR.

w.


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.2.0

 

Hi Andy,
Thanks for your comments! I'm not entirely sure what the NanoVNA returns
via the serial port when changed to TDR mode - but since NanoVNA-Saver does
have its own TDR function built in, I think it's more useful to just work
on that instead. :-)

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 at 12:21, Andy UA3RAW <ua3raw@...> wrote:

Hi, Rune!
I have read your conversation with Bryan WA5VAH about TDR. As I
understood, there is a problem with putting the device in TDR Transform
mode and back in NanoVNA Saver.
Yesterday I have made measurements of impedance of some coax cables,
using NanoVNA built-in TDR. Meniu item - TRANSFORM/LOW PASS STEP. The
results were amazing. I supposed that it would be very interesting to
see all this pictures on PC screen and to have an abbility to save the
results on PC. So, if there is a problem with switching to TDR, maybe it is
possible to write any kind of GUI esepecially for TDR measurements? It
will be very usefull!
Thanks and 73!
Andy, UA3RAW




 

Nico going Luc! Good pictures as well.

I will be doing something like that tonight :-) in Dordrecht, NL.
I will be focussing on the Smith Chart in the nanoVNA and applications of that, skipping as much of the Math as I can.

73,

Arie PA3A

Op 23-12-2019 om 11:46 schreef Luc ON7DQ:

Hi All,
Last friday, I gave a 4 hour presentation on the nanoVNA for the local radio club in Ostend, Belgium.
It was attended by over 50 people, see a short report here

A video will be posted online too (but needs some time editing, so be patient ...).

I uploaded a pdf with clickable links in the File section in a new folder "Presentations"
All is in the DUTCH language, but the pictures explain themselves (I hope) ... and Google Translate is your friend ;-)

If anyone wants to do the translation into English, mail me off-list for the original .pptx file.
(my address is good on qrz.com)

73,
Luc - ON7DQ/KF0CR



 

Hi All,
Last friday, I gave a 4 hour presentation on the nanoVNA for the local radio club in Ostend, Belgium.
It was attended by over 50 people, see a short report here

A video will be posted online too (but needs some time editing, so be patient ...).

I uploaded a pdf with clickable links in the File section in a new folder "Presentations"
All is in the DUTCH language, but the pictures explain themselves (I hope) ... and Google Translate is your friend ;-)

If anyone wants to do the translation into English, mail me off-list for the original .pptx file.
(my address is good on qrz.com)

73,
Luc - ON7DQ/KF0CR


Re: Screen replacement?

 

Thanks for that good info. I ordered the 3.2" touch screen.
Cost at present is 11 Euro.

Thanks also to Herman, ON1BES, for upgrade documentation.
I need no extension parts, as already I have a larger (hand
ground eliminating, balun avoiding) 6mm PE board with N
adapters. See pic. I only must make the larger cover frame.

73. Hans
DJ7BA

-----Urspr¨¹ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von nanovnauser@...
Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2019 00:02
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [nanovna-users] Screen replacement?

just select the 2nd pic to get the touchscreen version.


Re: First PCB pictures of the V2

 

If you can point out concrete examples with evidence of where we are "stealing intellectual property", you are welcome to bring the case to your local state department of commerce.


Re: First PCB pictures of the V2

 

S-A-A (V2) hardware is a completely new design from scratch. There is nothing that's bears any resemblance to the edy555 design, except for the use of si5351 to cover low frequencies. We have innovated on several key parts of the VNA design such as the coupler design, and OwOComm will publish all design files in order to render the ideas unpatentable. We don't market or sell these devices, so we are not in control of what trade name they will be sold under (that's up to the distributors), and there is also no registered "NanoVNA" trademark.


Re: First PCB pictures of the V2

 

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 15:27, Gyula Molnar <gyula.ha3hz@...> wrote:

Doesn't it bother you steal your other intellectual product?

To my knowledge all of the developers are from China. Stealing intellectual
property is very much a part of the culture.

Dave
--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: Screen replacement?

 

Terry, just try another card.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:39 AM Terry VK5TM <vk5tm@...> wrote:

Found it on the english Aliexpress site, but when I went to pay they
started wanting jpeg scans of my credit card, drivers license and other
stuff.

They can stick that where the sun doesn't shine.

Terry VK5TM
( )




Re: Choke Series resonant frequency measurement

 

I agree Alan, GDO or equivalent should be the best method IMO also.

@Henry: If you use NanoVNA, it needs to be calibrated on a narrow freq
interval, it has only 101 points, easy to miss a deep resonance. Better use
NanoVNA-saver, which can calibrate with many more points (ie 2020)

*Still, nobody answered my question: is the stray capacitance (or impedance
in general) of the NanoVNA channels influencing the measured resonance
frequency of the choke, or the calibration is able to remove this
influence? *

I understand so far the choke is shunted by the 50 Ohm impedance (which is
not purely resistive) of the NanoVNA channels, which reduce Q but the
resonances should still be visible.

W8JI is describing a different method of measuring the choke:

It would be interesting to compare the various methods.

73 Ady YO2NAA

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:56 AM alan victor <avictor73@...> wrote:

Yes, you need to place the choke in its position ON THE INTENDED AMPLIFIER
chassis. In this manner the exact distributive affects of shunt C are
properly noted.

And with all do respects to the VNA, I would much rather do this
measurement with a GDO.

Or... convert your vna into the equivalent of a GDO by exciting the ch 0
port into a small link coil which would utilize the measurement system as a
coupled transformer. Not unlike the GDO, coupling must be kept to a minimum
so that reduction in Q affect of the choke under test is minimized.

Note, you will need to measure both the anti resonate as well series
resonate points as you described. In the series mode, the choke is shorted.
Again, a direct connect of this arrangement to ch 0 would seem problematic.
Consider the vna system is placing 50 ohms in series with the choke under
test!

I would encourage you to correlate the measurements with the vna and with
the GDO technique before applying 4000 volts to that nice tube!

I would also consider if you have one... the classic chokes like the old
National Radio R175 which had strong series resonate problems in the 15
meter band. They would burst into flames! See if the vna points out the
alarm. You should be able to pick up both the series resonate and parallel
resonate signature on the vna-Smith plot. I know the GDO does pick up these
signatures and I have modified those chokes based on the GDO results to fix
their problems.

Alan





New extended Tutorial Version 1.5. for the NanoVNA-H

Gunthard Kraus
 

Hello Friends,
I have my tutorial extended by a chapter "The NanoVNA-H used up to 1500 (1300) MHz" and uploaded to my Homepage ( www.gunthard-kraus.de) as Version 1.5.
The chapter contains also a 110 MHz LPF tested up to 1300 MHz as a practical example.

Have fun with it.

73's

Gunthard , DG8GB