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Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Hi DMR,
I found the bug you are referring to - I'll get it fixed in the next
version, and obviously pushed to GitHub as soon as it's fixed :-)

Thanks!
--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 16:12, DMR <bryonikater@...> wrote:

Scaling does not work. The schedule remains the same.
Check someone else out.
Thank.




Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Hi Nick,
make sure you're running 0.0.12 - the version number should be in the title
bar. The "Calibration assistant" button is what you're after:

[image: image.png]

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 16:36, Nick <g3vnc@...> wrote:

Hi Rune

How do I start this wizard? Can't see it in the Calibration window.

Using Mint Linux 19.2 x64, Python 3.7.3.

73
Nick
G3VNC


On 27/09/2019 12:04, Rune Broberg wrote:
Thirdly, the calibration procedure has received a new "calibration
assistant": A series of popup messages prompting you to switch between
calibration standards, and code to automatically sweep them for you and
store the results.




Re: How to measure source impedance?

 

And of course, the real answer to your question is the following: If you want a reliable radio equipment, buy reputable a ham radio =radio amateur products or even professional radio products. They keep their promises, no need to worry or guess anything. They'll cost something but quality costs.


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Hi Rune

How do I start this wizard? Can't see it in the Calibration window.

Using Mint Linux 19.2 x64, Python 3.7.3.

73
Nick
G3VNC

On 27/09/2019 12:04, Rune Broberg wrote:
Thirdly, the calibration procedure has received a new "calibration
assistant": A series of popup messages prompting you to switch between
calibration standards, and code to automatically sweep them for you and
store the results.


Re: errors of "error" models

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 15:04, <reuterr@...> wrote:

Hello David,
Thank you very much for the clear and polite words.

If the topic is really *important* for the community, the it is the duty
of the originators
to convert their FORTAN programs to Python, and show some
*input* *output* data examples.

73, Rudi DL5FA

Rudi,

It is *not* anyone¡¯s duty to convert their Fortran to Python! Nor is it
their duty to show examples of show input or output, nor is it it their
duty to write the information in a coherent way.

I do however think writing the information in a coherent manner and showing
some examples of input and output would be *very* useful. Without the
information being written in a coherent way, it is of very little value.

Converting Fortran to Python seems to be taking things too far though.
Porting code has the possibility of introducing bugs. Anyone technically
competent enough to understand the content should be able to use a Fortran
compiler. If not, they should be able to find someone who can compile a
Fortran program.

Dave
--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: nanovna Battery Specifications

 

BTW..... this version is the so-called "better" one with shielding. It is better construction than my "white salamander worst" unit or my black "worse" one. The noise floor might be slightly lower on this one but I find no practical measurement differences among the three. Given a choice I would probably choose this one but I would also be perfectly happy with either of the other two.

WA8TOD


Re: nanovna Battery Specifications

 

I bought the same Nanovna and mine too came without a battery. I bought this one from eBay. It fits (barely) and works perfectly.



Warren Allgyer
WA8TOD


Re: errors of "error" models

 

18 : @Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd :
/g/nanovna-users/message/3181

Hello,

Thank you very much for your interest in our work !

We much appreciate that; indeed. Therefore, allow
us, please, to inform you that, on the one hand
English is -obviously- not our native language, and,
on the other hand, we are deeply regret since our
limited presentation abilities still create so much
confusion to you, even after you already read all
of our references on this subject, of course,
because these are : "the document" "including
adequate references, much like a scientific paper"
you ask for. However, and in addition to these,
we already wrote, but obviously you didn't notice
it too, at:

14 : /g/nanovna-users/message/3111

"
this is the current state of published research on
this subject, excluding some papers under preparation
in order to be published in our small journal:


"
Nevertheless, it is needless to say that we don't
agree at all with your, obviously subjective, comment
that "The whole issue is far from simple"
-
which, by the way, it appears as it is orchestrally
emanated from some honorable specialists of
this forum
-
as it unreasonably discourages any Radio Amateur,
who is absolute beginner or newcomer to the subject
to even give it a chance to attempt to follow it !

And, as your scientific titles imply, it is certain that
you know very well that this is the worst anti-scientific
attempt to patronize the unsuspecting innocent
victim who comes here wanting to learn.

Anyway, since we always try to be good
listeners, we shall also attempt to follow your
valuable subjective suggestions on this very subject
and to learn our lessons : Thank you once more !

Now, regarding the objective points you had the
kindness to also set, which, we assume, you are
definitely referenced to:

[17] : From A Common User's Point Of View
/g/nanovna-users/message/2521

allow us, please, to also gladly answer them, as follows:

(1) You are absolutely right about the "incomplete
definitions of the equations".

This was a deliberate omission, in order to check how
many of the honorable members of this forum
-
who desperately declare their thirsty for the Knowledge,
that is they also passionately seek it in way which
exactly coincides with that permanent of ours
-
are indeed interested for it. Therefore, we also thank
you very much, since you are giving us the happiness
to notice that:

the capital letters are representatives of the "true value"
-
[ well, if you don't have a feeling of what this exactly
[ means, then allow us, please, to inform you that
[ you are not alone, but just one of us, and that all
[ together we are, with many others who have the
[ scientific honesty to admit that they also don't know
[ what that really means, because, in our humble
[ opinion, this is a notion lying on the boundaries
[ between the philosophy and the science, that is it
[ is a primitive notion, an undefined term, and all that
[ in addition to the fact that there are many others,
[ who do not accept that exists such a "true value"
-
A, B. C of three "known" loads, and Gama is of the
"unknown" one, while the small letters are the
representatives of the corresponding (VNA or
nanoVNA) "raw" measurements, with the rest
of the multi-letters to stand for either the well-known
indexed S-parameters or for intermediate variables
-
just for the corresponding indexed Numerators to
be used in the calculations and|or the computations
-
which facilitate, as we hope, not only the
comprehension but also the programming, in the
way we are mentioning in [17], that is of complex
variables as they are all the aforementioned ones.

(2) Regarding your interesting contributing notes
about the phase matter, allow us, please to reserve
ourselves from commenting it right now.

Sincerely,

yin&pez@arg

18


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

DMR
 

Scaling does not work. The schedule remains the same.
Check someone else out.
Thank.


Re: errors of "error" models

 

Hello David,
Thank you very much for the clear and polite words.

If the topic is really *important* for the community, the it is the duty of the originators
to convert their FORTAN programs to Python, and show some
*input* *output* data examples.

73, Rudi DL5FA


Re: How to measure source impedance?

 

Output impedance of a transmitter is not simple thing. Transmitter outputs are not matched to the output transistor or fet collector impedance. That impedance is usually very high. Usually matching circuits are made so that efficiency is best, that is the output device does not get too hot. So if you really measure output impedance of a transmitter, you get strange results. Besides, you may burn your transmitter or measuring device.


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Hi Rune,
I tested your new guided calibration routine as well and all works fine with Win10 pro. Very well done! Thank you very much!
I keep getting some warnings, and I have no idea if the performance of the NanoVNA will suffer from those!? This is not related to the current version, I had that "feature" with all versions. The messages were generated during calibration.

Kind regards
Norbert, DG1KPN


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Great stuff Rune!

On the R+jX chart the frequency axis scaling works FB but I cannot make the scaling of the data axes work.

73
Nick
G3VNC

On 27/09/2019 12:04, Rune Broberg wrote:
First of all, there's now the option of scaling the plots: right click them
for a menu, where it's possible to set the maximum and minimum values for
the frequency and data axes.


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 12:04, Rune Broberg <mihtjel@...> wrote:

I just released 0.0.12:




I am interested in knowing what platforms you are getting this software
running on, *particularly* if you had had to jump through hoops or do
anything unexpected to get it to run: Do email me at mihtjel@... if
you can tell me what you had to do to make it work, so that I may update
the documentation, or make things easier to install in the future.

Thank you!
--
Rune / 5Q5R

I¡¯m not using my NanoVNA yet, as I have not got around to box it up
properly. But I will give your software a try on Solaris later. I have both
SPARC and x86. I don¡¯t expect anyone else has tried that.

My normal computer is a quad core Xeon machine with OpenSolaris on it. I
also have a SPARC with Solaris 10, but I expect it would require too much
messing around to install all the software needed - git, python etc.

Dave.

--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Thanks for the effort with the software, Rune. Works fine on my Windows 10.


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

I¡¯ve had this AVG thing with all versions from v.0.0.3 through to v0.0.12 except for v0.0.11¡­ Each time I¡¯ve clicked the ¡°I Trust This File¡± option, but still have to wait for AVG to approve it. Paul M0GJL


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Very well!
The guided calibration routine is working fine!

73s Holger, DF6DBF


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

First, THANK YOU, for your awesome and impresive effort with this project! Downloading the latest to test now... :)
73, DE KG5WXW


Re: errors of "error" models

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 12:33, yza <yzaVNA@...> wrote:

17 : From A Common User's Point Of View

Hello,

Allow us, please, for the sake of completeness of
an appropriate preparation of a presentation for the
Estimation of the -sine qua non- Core of the Measurement
Uncertainty that Exists in *A N Y * VNA System, regardless
of what it really is, a VNA or a NanoVNA,


Maybe if you wrote a document on this, including adequate references, much
like a scientific paper, we could follow you. But you have made endless
posts, at least one of which has incomplete definitions of the equations,
it is almost impossible for anyone to follow you.

I am sure what you have is interesting, and some will be able to follow you
- perhaps not myself as my mathematics is not very good. But the way the
information is presented makes it impossible to follow.

One of things that is important is the phase difference between the offset
male and offset short standards. This will obviously be 180 degrees at low
frequency, but will depart from this as frequency is increased. I have seen
calibration kits assembled from inappropriate parts where the phases
difference drops to zero at one frequency. It¡¯s obviously impossible to
calibrate then. But if one standard has a phase able of 0 degrees, and the
other 10 degrees, the calibration will be poor.

The whole issue is far from simple, but the way you are presenting the
information makes it difficult for anybody to follow you.

G8WRB


--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: nanovna Battery Specifications

 

Yes ,indeed a 5V USB powerpack ,readily available ,even from supermarkets , will do fine.

For those needing a Li-Ion cell (nominally 3.7V) , I get these from discarded Laptop battery packs . These packs are discarded because usually only 1 of the 6 cells is no longer OK.
I take these packs to bits and charge each cell individually with an appropriate charger (usually good for charging 4 cells at the time) I then fit cells in 18650 cell holders available from Banggood and other on-line retailers.
There are 2 types of cell holders , for 1 cell and 4 cells.

WIth the cell holders I make multiple cell battery packs to feed my Yaesu FT-817 , QRP transceiver
For this transceiver I use 4 multiple cell units in series ,ensuring that the cells will be re-charged when the radio input voltage has dropped to 4*2.8V=11.2V To ensure a long life a Li-Ion cell should not be discharged below 2.8 V
The above just for info.
After all I am just a radio AMATEUR.

Frank , EI7KS