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Re: look what I found at Goodwill

 

Real nice. I wish I knew where mine disappeared to. Had a cheap plastic one and a good one (Pickett Brand??)


Re: look what I found at Goodwill

 

Nice find! I still have my dad's Post slide rule AND the leather belt holster AND the hard cover? instruction book. I used it with a $45 four function calculator in my undergrad physics class in the early 70's.

KE4NBB Ted
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 6:27, David Wilcox K8WPE via groups.io<Djwilcox01@...> wrote: What kind of battery does it use, and where do you put it in? I hope they took the battery out years ago or it will be all corroded. Ha!? Wish I had kept mine but being a poor student needed cash all the time and sold whatever I wouldn¡¯t need in the future.

Dave K8WPE
David J. Wilcox¡¯s iPad

On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Martin Glazer <mglazer2014@...> wrote:

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Re: look what I found at Goodwill

 

There is an excellent group, [email protected], which covers the history, uses and collecting of slide rules; a great resource for small time collectors like me and for serious collectors and users. Lots of discussions of physics, electronics, mechanics applications. I have a Cleveland Electronics rule with all the equations on the back, but I didn't take it to the Extra exam!
72/73 de k1qed, ?bob.c ? ? ? ? qrp 4evr!


Re: look what I found at Goodwill

 

This is the second thread about slide rules in the past month. Here is the link to the previous thread. /g/nanovna-users/message/29044


Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

It needs to be rotated 45 degrees, not 90, to work with the polarity switch you have. If all you want is circular polarization, you don't need to rotate it, just use the phasing harness.


Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

I am not at home at the moment to investigate the antenna. I should have paid more attention when selecting antennas. All the parasitic elements are in and X config but now that you mention it the driven elememt may not be X. I do have the wimo rhcp harness if the relays won't work. Rotating the boom 90 degs should not be difficult.
Thanks
Glenn VE9GJ

On August 12, 2022 8:10:49 PM ADT, "Dave W6OQ via groups.io" <david.hostetler@...> wrote:
Well I considered that rotating it 45 degrees would fix it, but is it simple enough? The antenna boom is square and I am not sure how that will be easily attached to the mast or other mount system.





Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

Well I considered that rotating it 45 degrees would fix it, but is it simple enough? The antenna boom is square and I am not sure how that will be easily attached to the mast or other mount system.


Re: look what I found at Goodwill

 

A slice of pi will do.


Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

Yes, you simply rotate the Antenne by 45 degrees and it will worked fine.

Regards

Matthias

www.dd1us.de


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Von: "Dave W6OQ via groups.io" <david.hostetler@...>
Datum: 12.08.22 23:43 (GMT+01:00)
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [nanovna-users] Testing X polarity Antenna switch

Glenn:

I reviewed the antenna that you linked to (WMO-18011) and I am pretty sure that it isn't compatible with the polarization switch that you linked to. The antenna has an unusual feed element that gives H and V output directly, without having to phase the driving elements to achieve H or V linear polarization. This polarization switch with this antenna will produce +45 degree, -45 degree, RHCP and LHCP.


Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

Glenn:

I reviewed the antenna that you linked to (WMO-18011) and I am pretty sure that it isn't compatible with the polarization switch that you linked to. The antenna has an unusual feed element that gives H and V output directly, without having to phase the driving elements to achieve H or V linear polarization. This polarization switch with this antenna will produce +45 degree, -45 degree, RHCP and LHCP.


Re: nanovna-saver crashing when saving calibration on Ubuntu

 

That was what I suspected however as a regular user I can open and view the file in the error message. I am sure it is a permission thing. Have to keep looking.
Thanks
Glenn VE9GJ

On 2022-08-12 14:35, Tim Dawson wrote:
Then check permissions on the paths in the error for a start. It
sounds like something does not have permissions to a non-root user.
On August 12, 2022 12:29:21 PM CDT, Glenn VE9GJ <ve9gj@...> wrote:
Will do.
I discovered it works OK when run as root.
73
Glenn VE9GJ
On 2022-08-12 14:27, Dragan Milivojevic wrote:
Open a new issue on their github if it wasn't reported before.
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 18:26, Glenn VE9GJ <ve9gj@...> wrote:

nanovna-saver v0.4.0 binary release
OS Ubuntu 22.04 64bit
After doing a calibration in nanovna-saver I can apply it OK and then
when attempting to save the calibration it will cause nanovna-saver to
crash.
error:
****
(nanovna-saver:123904): Gtk-WARNING **: 12:33:33.004: Could not load a
pixbuf from icon theme.
This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be
found.
**
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Bail out!
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Aborted (core dumped)

The file /usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png does exist
and displays OK for a regular user.
Any suggestions?
TIA
Glenn VE9GJ
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


Re: nanovna-saver crashing when saving calibration on Ubuntu

 

Then check permissions on the paths in the error for a start. It sounds like something does not have permissions to a non-root user.

On August 12, 2022 12:29:21 PM CDT, Glenn VE9GJ <ve9gj@...> wrote:
Will do.
I discovered it works OK when run as root.
73
Glenn VE9GJ

On 2022-08-12 14:27, Dragan Milivojevic wrote:
Open a new issue on their github if it wasn't reported before.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 18:26, Glenn VE9GJ <ve9gj@...> wrote:

nanovna-saver v0.4.0 binary release
OS Ubuntu 22.04 64bit

After doing a calibration in nanovna-saver I can apply it OK and then
when attempting to save the calibration it will cause nanovna-saver to
crash.

error:
****
(nanovna-saver:123904): Gtk-WARNING **: 12:33:33.004: Could not load a
pixbuf from icon theme.
This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be
found.
**
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Bail out!
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Aborted (core dumped)


The file /usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png does exist
and displays OK for a regular user.

Any suggestions?

TIA
Glenn VE9GJ









--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


Re: nanovna-saver crashing when saving calibration on Ubuntu

 

Will do.
I discovered it works OK when run as root.
73
Glenn VE9GJ

On 2022-08-12 14:27, Dragan Milivojevic wrote:
Open a new issue on their github if it wasn't reported before.
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 18:26, Glenn VE9GJ <ve9gj@...> wrote:

nanovna-saver v0.4.0 binary release
OS Ubuntu 22.04 64bit
After doing a calibration in nanovna-saver I can apply it OK and then
when attempting to save the calibration it will cause nanovna-saver to
crash.
error:
****
(nanovna-saver:123904): Gtk-WARNING **: 12:33:33.004: Could not load a
pixbuf from icon theme.
This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be
found.
**
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Bail out!
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Aborted (core dumped)

The file /usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png does exist
and displays OK for a regular user.
Any suggestions?
TIA
Glenn VE9GJ


Re: nanovna-saver crashing when saving calibration on Ubuntu

 

Open a new issue on their github if it wasn't reported before.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 18:26, Glenn VE9GJ <ve9gj@...> wrote:

nanovna-saver v0.4.0 binary release
OS Ubuntu 22.04 64bit

After doing a calibration in nanovna-saver I can apply it OK and then
when attempting to save the calibration it will cause nanovna-saver to
crash.

error:
****
(nanovna-saver:123904): Gtk-WARNING **: 12:33:33.004: Could not load a
pixbuf from icon theme.
This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be
found.
**
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Bail out!
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon:
assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load
/usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image
file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Aborted (core dumped)


The file /usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png does exist
and displays OK for a regular user.

Any suggestions?

TIA
Glenn VE9GJ






nanovna-saver crashing when saving calibration on Ubuntu

 

nanovna-saver v0.4.0 binary release
OS Ubuntu 22.04 64bit

After doing a calibration in nanovna-saver I can apply it OK and then when attempting to save the calibration it will cause nanovna-saver to crash.

error:
****
(nanovna-saver:123904): Gtk-WARNING **: 12:33:33.004: Could not load a pixbuf from icon theme.
This may indicate that pixbuf loaders or the mime database could not be found.
**
Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon: assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load /usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Bail out! Gtk:ERROR:../../../../gtk/gtkiconhelper.c:494:ensure_surface_for_gicon: assertion failed (error == NULL): Failed to load /usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark, 3)
Aborted (core dumped)


The file /usr/share/icons/Yaru/16x16/status/image-missing.png does exist and displays OK for a regular user.

Any suggestions?

TIA
Glenn VE9GJ


Re: look what I found at Goodwill

 

I use my 4' Pickett when I need real precision.
Hey, that's a greedy slide rule! It wants money! One dollar to pose for a photo. How much does it ask to calculate a square root? :-)


Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

Hi Dave
Thanks for the input. Yes you are correct, this switch does have both "antennas" configured as an X and they are both always connected.
The switch is based on the work of I8CVS. I should have included the link in y original post.


The antennas I am using are the Wimo X-quad so both antennas are offset by zero degrees.


This is very much a learning exercise for myself. I will need to obtain some more BNC to sma jumpers or adaptors to do some more testing.
I also started using nanovna-saver and getting some crashes but that will be a separate post.

73
Glenn VE9GJ

On 2022-08-12 03:32, Dave W6OQ via groups.io wrote:

So this switch actually has BOTH antennas connected ALL the time for
ALL modes, so the nominal 3 dB loss from the input to each antenna is
present at all times. Be sure to terminate the antenna connector not
being measured for good results. Their assumption is that the crossed
antennas are mounted in an X with respect to the horizon rather than a
plus (+). On the website you linked they have VNA measurements for
each mode and both antennas. If the driven elements are located at the
same point on the boom, the feedlines should be the same length, but
the length isn't critical. If they are offset (which is common), you
will need to adjust the feed line to one of the antennas so the phase
matches the at the switch antenna connectors.


Re: look what I found at Goodwill

 

I was an organic chemistry major and graduated with my BS in the late-60s long before electronic calculators. (We had honking-big Marchant mechanical calculators in a room somewhere in the building and they were almost always occupied at most convenient hours and the next best calculator was the slide rule.)
I had an organic quant prof who expected us to be able to hold our writing instrument in one hand and hold a slide rule in the other and do the math with his exams timed with that capability in mind without ever putting either down.. He even had sessions after his classes instructing in the proper use of the "slip-stick" and ways to achieve greater precision which he expected to be at least 2 significant digits approaching 3 which was about the width of the scribes on the rule. In fact, I believe he claimed there was some relationship between the precision of those scribes and the capability of the slide rule but I can't recall his rule. Of course, he advocated a circular slide rule as the better choice over a linear slip-stick as it was far more compact for the precision. I have a small Fullerton 1450, 85mm circular in my desk and a slightly larger one in my go-bag which I keep against the time when the revolution starts. I had a K&E about 2.5 inches wide, a wooden - not bamboo - slide rule that got stuck when humidity was high, a couple of Dietzgens, Pickets, etc. I wish I had any one of those to show my sons and their kids - they wouldn't believe how such arcane devices landed us where we are now.
Of course, the E6b is nothing but a special purpose circular slide rule which scares many student and novice pilots but I felt quite comfortable with it during pilot training and still keep one handy in the cockpit.
So ends my paean to the lowly but powerful mechanism of the "bad old days".


Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

So this switch actually has BOTH antennas connected ALL the time for ALL modes, so the nominal 3 dB loss from the input to each antenna is present at all times. Be sure to terminate the antenna connector not being measured for good results. Their assumption is that the crossed antennas are mounted in an X with respect to the horizon rather than a plus (+). On the website you linked they have VNA measurements for each mode and both antennas. If the driven elements are located at the same point on the boom, the feedlines should be the same length, but the length isn't critical. If they are offset (which is common), you will need to adjust the feed line to one of the antennas so the phase matches the at the switch antenna connectors.


Re: Testing X polarity Antenna switch

 

On 2022-08-11 21:25, Jim Lux wrote:
On 8/11/22 12:13 PM, Glenn VE9GJ wrote:
?I recently finished building some Sat antenna polarity switches. (2M and 70CM)
They switch between Horz, Vert, RH or LH polarization.
I think all is OK but how would I use a nanovna to confirm that they are within spec? I am still a naonvna beginner and have not tried to measure anything like this before.
TIA
This unit takes a single feedline from the Tx/Rx to two antenna ports.
In linear pol, it should be a straight feed through one of the two
antenna ports, with the other port terminated (or open, I couldn't
find a schematic).
So it's kind of like doing it with an ohmmeter.
Let's call the outputs H and V.
First test, CH0 of VNA to Tx/Rx port. LOad on H, Ch1 connected to V.
Set the switch to V-pol, you should see |S21| nearly 0dB loss, and
|S11| as a "good match". Disconnect the load on H. You should see no
change. Put the load back on.
Now select RCP - you should see S21 decrease by about 3dB (because
half the power goes to each output), and there will be some phase
shift. Record that number.
Select LCP, Should see the same S21 as RCP, but the phase will be
different, record that number.
Put the load on V, and Ch1 on H output.
Select H pol - should see low loss, good match
Select V pol - should see no power, but good match (looking into the load)
Select RCP, should see S21 go down by 3 dB, and the phase shift should
be either identical to what you measured on the other port, or be 90
degrees different (it depends if you're driving a crossed yagi that's
offset by lambda/4 or if it isn't)
Select LCP, see S21 same as for RCP, but the phase shift is flipped or
the other 90 degrees relative to what you measured last time.
Thanks for the great explanation Jim! I think I understand what to do now as your instructions make sense to me.

73
Glenn VE9GJ