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Re: Early app for the NanoVNA

Andy G0FTD 3rd Earl of Whitstable MBE BBC ITV etc etc etc etc etc
 

Just for info, I am having difficulty getting the Python software to run the app.

Same errors as other posters have mentioned.

Upgrade Python on my Linux Mint and I appear to have all the correct additional modules.
Tried the same on my Raspberry Pi, same errors.

Other Python apps appear to work fine.

Not complaining (I think it's a joy to see all the enthusiasm and "overnight" software pop up), so this message is just to let others who
are struggling to know that they are not the only ones ;-)

73 de Andy


Re: Adding battery to Banggood version

 

Karl,
Have a look at a few of my earlier photos I uploaded.
I used a thin 1100mAH battery from an old cellphone.
The charging chip used on the Nano will charge almost any small LiIon battery.
Do a search on the word 'battery' and you'll find a number of other forum members that have asked the same question and provided links to battery vendors.
Most of these units that came with a small 300-450mAH battery were soldered-in. Very few had connectors.

Regards,
Larry


Re: Adding battery to Banggood version

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 12:19, Karl Heinz Kremer <khk@...> wrote:

What is the max. physical size the battery can be to add to the Banggood
model? Unlike a lot of other models, this one came without a battery, and I
am looking for some advice as to what to buy. Do I need to solder the
battery leads, or is there a connector on the PCB? So far, I have not taken
the device apart, and would like to minimize the number of times I am
taking the lid off. I¡¯ve been known to break stuff when I do ;)
FWIW, given the overall construction quality, I'm going to repackage mine
when I have some time. I intend putting a much larger battery in - perhaps
something that will last 24 hours, so I just have to forget about charging
it for a long while.

Dave


Thanks,

Karl Heinz - K5KHK



--
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Kirkby Microwave Ltd
Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, CHELMSFORD,
Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom.
Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892

Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100


Adding battery to Banggood version

 

What is the max. physical size the battery can be to add to the Banggood model? Unlike a lot of other models, this one came without a battery, and I am looking for some advice as to what to buy. Do I need to solder the battery leads, or is there a connector on the PCB? So far, I have not taken the device apart, and would like to minimize the number of times I am taking the lid off. I¡¯ve been known to break stuff when I do ;)

Thanks,

Karl Heinz - K5KHK


Re: How to measure source impedance?

 

Output impedance can be calculated (estimated, at least) from the (complex)
incremental change in output voltage and current after a small change in
load impedance.
No need to run anything open circuit.

Den tors 5 sep. 2019 12:51kb3cs <kb3cs@...> skrev:

you initially waved around a complaint which might as well be a
surrealist's dream: your HT will be un-burnt when you fill your bathtub
with brightly colored screwdrivers. and now you make rude demands? consider
yourself lucky the group may respond kindly to you.

back to the matters at hand: a technique for measuring output impedance of
an audio amp may not at all be used with the Ailunce HT for the simple fact
the audio amplifier will happily operate open circuit, while the HT may be
very unhappy indeed and release all the magic smoke from its power
amplifier.

except for the aforementioned magic smoke release warning, the simple and
direct method of measuring output impedance (or "source impedance") is to
compare the open circuit operating voltage with operating voltage under
load.

the load value will be equal to the source value when the operating
voltage under load is one-half of the open circuit operating voltage.

- 1001001 (base 2) -




Re: How to measure source impedance?

 

you initially waved around a complaint which might as well be a surrealist's dream: your HT will be un-burnt when you fill your bathtub with brightly colored screwdrivers. and now you make rude demands? consider yourself lucky the group may respond kindly to you.

back to the matters at hand: a technique for measuring output impedance of an audio amp may not at all be used with the Ailunce HT for the simple fact the audio amplifier will happily operate open circuit, while the HT may be very unhappy indeed and release all the magic smoke from its power amplifier.

except for the aforementioned magic smoke release warning, the simple and direct method of measuring output impedance (or "source impedance") is to compare the open circuit operating voltage with operating voltage under load.

the load value will be equal to the source value when the operating voltage under load is one-half of the open circuit operating voltage.

- 1001001 (base 2) -


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Re: Early app for the NanoVNA

 

Hi Jeff,
thanks for the shopping list :D

I'll respond to each:
1) In the LogMag charts, each X-coordinate has a well-defined frequency. In
the Smith charts, I would have to find the closest point of the trace (or
reference?) and set the frequency to that. That code is more complex, and
thus I haven't done it yet. It's on the list though!

2) I think that might have been a glitch - I haven't had any code in the
Smith chart for moving cursors.

3) The colour is a little grayed out because it's mostly transparent. The
reference sweep is drawn on top of the measured sweep, but in a (more)
transparent colour, in order not to completely blot out the sweep. With
sufficiently many points, it starts to look solid. When picking a colour
you can choose the "alpha" value to set transparency.

4) I'll make a display of the actual measured frequency for the cursors -
great point.

5) I'll think about a nice way to make an interface for storing the mouse
marker frequency into the other markers - or optionally moving the other
markers using the mouse.

6) Stepping would be a great feature, I agree.

7) Averaging will probably arrive at some point. It shouldn't be too hard
for pure averaging. But sweeps will get slow.

8) Good point on the double compensation - I will check the firmware.

9) I fully agree, we need an about button, and probably the version in the
window title. :-)

Thanks for all your feedback, and your praise in the other email!

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 02:38, Jeff Anderson <jca1955@...> wrote:

Hi Rune,

I have downloaded your release 0.0.5 and am checking it out. Some
comments:

1. At first I thought the Mouse Cursor was broken -- I was clicking in
the S11 Smith Chart plot and I wasn't seeing its marker. Then I discovered
accidentally that its marker would appear if I instead clicked in the S11
Return Loss plot. Any chance to get this marker to appear no matter which
plot we first click our mouse in?

2. Also, in the version I downloaded this morning from the master (not
release) folder (a version without the verbose Mouse cursor and dots for
Markers in lieu of triangles), I could move the mouse cursor in the S11
Smith Chart plot. I cannot do this now -- I have to go to the S11 Return
Loss plot to move it.

3. Reference Plot color -- works fine, but I notice that the color
displayed in the "color button" is a very grayed-out version of the color I
select. Not sure why it's grayed-out, as the color of the actual reference
plot is fine.

4. The only way I seem to be able to get Markers 1 and 2 to appear on the
screen is if I first type a frequency into their boxes, and then the
markers appear (which might be your intention). But I know that the
frequency I type isn't the actual frequency that the marker is pointing to
(which I can read by ovelaying the mouse cursor on top of either Marker 1
or 2). For example, for Marker 2 I had typed in 500000000 (i.e. 500 MHz).
But the actual frequency of the sample is 506.936 MHz. Would be nice if
the displayed frequency were the actual frequency.

5. Being able to transfer the mouse cursor's frequency into either Marker
1 or Marker 2 would be a nice feature.

6. Would be nice to step the mouse cursor (and/or the markers) with the
keyboard arrow keys for "fine tuning".

7. Heartily agree with adding averaging.

8. A word of caution regarding adding C0 (and C1, C2, C3) for the open
calibration standard. As has been mentioned in other threads, there might
be a 50 femtofarad value already hard-coded into the NanoVNA software as
C0. Adding an external C0 parameter, without being able to zero out the
existing C0, will defeat the purpose of adding the new C0 value. (If this
is an issue, I would suggest contacting Hugen -- he might be able to
confirm the existance of this hard-coded value. If it an existing
compensation already exists, there might be some way to cancel out its
effect -- maybe by adding to it a negative (!!!) 50 femtofarad value?).

9. It would be nice if the release version appeared someplace in the app.

And finally...excellent job!

- Jeff, k6jca







Re: Early app for the NanoVNA

 

Hi Bob,
the app launches a console window first, in which any error messages should
appear. If you double-click to launch, that's probably the brief flash
you're seeing. You could try opening a command prompt in windows, moving
to the directory where you unzipped the file, and running it from there.
This should show you any errors.

By the way, I assume you did unzip all the files? I haven't yet managed to
make a version that doesn't require a whole plethora of different files,
all included in the .zip

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 01:14, Bob Shaw <ve3suy@...> wrote:

I too have tried to execute the .exe file from the .zip window, I am
running Windows 10 64bit version and get a dialog box that I say to run
anyway, but only get a brief "flash" window on my screen and then it
disappears with no trace. I have not installed python etc. but I don't
think I need anything else to run the .exe file. Any idea what is
happening? Bob




Re: 1500 MHz

 

FYI - Following
75 Ohm version


Re: 1500 MHz

 

Very informative, thanks,

this thread leads to a mention of a 1GHz commercial version with a 4.3"
display (see below) which in turns leads to its firmware which seems to
have been ported for a STM32F103VET6 using HAL and FreeRTOS.


Firmware:
1GHz 4.3" version:

Note: the STM32F103VET6 is a much larger chip in a LQFP100 package, not a
drop in replacement

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 12:39 AM RFpro <jm@...> wrote:

A frequency extension up to 1500 MHz has been presented in the russion
forum:




I have installed it but did not yet check it.

A lot of very informative details can be found at the posts of XENOMORPH.




Re: Don't rotate the SMA centre pin! But how do I avoid that?

 

Locking collar (or ring)? being the "loose nut" that holds things together.?? Semantics are important and I may have that terminology somewhat distorted.

?Wayne Maynard <wb6bfn@...>?

On Sep 4, 2019, 23:20, at 23:20, Hans J Albertsson <hans.j.albertsson@...> wrote:
"rotating locking collar"?

Is that as opposed to a "rotating only" collar?

Den tors 5 sep. 2019 07:50Wayne <wb6bfn@...> skrev:

Some calibration standards do not have a rotating locking collar. In
that case there is no way to avoid rotating the center pin unless you
use those very short male-female SMA adapters sometimes called
"connector savers". The best way is to buy a set of calibration
standards that actually have rotating locking collars.

Wayne Maynard WB6BFN

On 9/4/2019 10:47 PM, Hans J Albertsson wrote:
Try as I might, I cannot keep the pin+back assembly still while
screwing
the short and/or load calibration piece down in the SMA socket!

Should I add some grip to their backs, with glue or solder? Should
I
file out a slit for a screwdriver?

Or just give up?






Re: Don't rotate the SMA centre pin! But how do I avoid that?

 

"rotating locking collar"?

Is that as opposed to a "rotating only" collar?

Den tors 5 sep. 2019 07:50Wayne <wb6bfn@...> skrev:

Some calibration standards do not have a rotating locking collar. In
that case there is no way to avoid rotating the center pin unless you
use those very short male-female SMA adapters sometimes called
"connector savers". The best way is to buy a set of calibration
standards that actually have rotating locking collars.

Wayne Maynard WB6BFN

On 9/4/2019 10:47 PM, Hans J Albertsson wrote:
Try as I might, I cannot keep the pin+back assembly still while screwing
the short and/or load calibration piece down in the SMA socket!

Should I add some grip to their backs, with glue or solder? Should I
file out a slit for a screwdriver?

Or just give up?






Re: How to measure source impedance?

 

Is my "Unknown 1W source impedance calculation" theoretically correct?
-Please ignore real measurement problems below-
* My measurement gear still poor
* Mismatch reflection happens front of -60dB attenuator
* Simulation/Correction required ( Even my test path/cable lengths as short as 1/10f lengths still causing loss and influence RF characteristics )


Re: Don't rotate the SMA centre pin! But how do I avoid that?

 

Some calibration standards do not have a rotating locking collar. In that case there is no way to avoid rotating the center pin unless you use those very short male-female SMA adapters sometimes called "connector savers".?? The best way is to buy a set of calibration standards that actually have rotating locking collars.

Wayne Maynard WB6BFN

On 9/4/2019 10:47 PM, Hans J Albertsson wrote:
Try as I might, I cannot keep the pin+back assembly still while screwing the short and/or load calibration piece down in the SMA socket!

Should I add some grip to their backs, with glue or solder? Should I file out a slit for a screwdriver?

Or just give up?


Don't rotate the SMA centre pin! But how do I avoid that?

 

Try as I might, I cannot keep the pin+back assembly still while screwing the short and/or load calibration piece down in the SMA socket!

Should I add some grip to their backs, with glue or solder? Should I file out a slit for a screwdriver?

Or just give up?


Re: How to measure source impedance?

 

Why you guys talking about 'YOUR HT IS SHIT' or 'BURNT? THIS IS NOT IMPEDANCE ISSUE', 'ANTENNA WILL DAMAGE' or WORRYING ABOUT MY VNA?( I am not stupid, I know right way to connect LNA)



Please stop to talking about OFF-TOPIC issue



FOLLOWING ADVICES ARE VERY WELCOME
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-Even F/Vrms/Iout same condition, 'Audio amplifier output impedance measurement(Two known load state's Vdiff)'method not suitable for RF measurement?
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Waiting


Re: Building the firmware

 

I just did a fresh git pull and did a compile with GCC V8 update 3. It worked fine, no issues with SRAM space.


Re: TDR function vs code space

Pierre Martel
 

That is a very nice Idea, I would buy a second one for such work.

There is also the path of going to a raspberry Pi that could drive a
screen and just grab the raw data for the calculation In fact a new
NanoVNA model could me a kind if shield tha plugs on top a raspberry
pi??

Le mer. 4 sept. 2019 ¨¤ 21:32, Wayne <wb6bfn@...> a ¨¦crit :

I think many of us would really like having built-in TDR functionality for simple antenna & feedline testing. Considering how inexpensive the nanoVNA is I, for one, would not mind having one with the current VNA capability and one with SWR (or return loss) and TDR. Is that a coding possibility?

?Wayne Maynard <wb6bfn@...>



Re: Early app for the NanoVNA

 

Hi Rune --

0.0.5:

Works nicely for me! Good stuff Rune!!! I like it better than any of the other apps I've seen
for the nanoVNA.

73 --
Harry, W5PNY