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Re: nanoVNA vs nanoVNA-F vs nanoVNA-H What is the difference??????

 

Thank you!

larry


Re: NanoVNA firmware user interface mod #mods

 

Thank you OneOfEleven !!
I have now tested nanoVNA.exe because I had not yet tested it. I liked the software, it has all the necessary information.
Perhaps the slightly larger letters would help (mouse information).


Re: Intro and Noob Question

 

Mint 20 is "a bit new", so you may have to fiddle somewhat, as I did to
get it working on Mint 19.3.

In the end, I commented out Line 17 in the main .py file!? (I forget the
name, not in front of that PC just now)? It starts up and runs fine
after that...?? (Some warning file dependency, that seems not to be
needed.? I didn't dig any further, the program runs without complaint or
issue..)

Otherwise, the documented install/build procedure went fine.

Make sure your logged in user persona, is a member of the "dialout" group.

??? sudo adduser $USER dialout

And use your login password when asked.

($USER is a system variable containing your logged in username.)

You can use:

??? dmesg | tail

to find out what /dev/ttyUSBx has been assigned to the NanoVNA when
you've connected it.? The software makes a guess, but on my system, the
guess was wrong.? Pointing it at the correct device, and it all sprang
to life.

73.

Dave G0WBX.


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Re: Red digit in the input field of the keaypad

 

You can input value if made long press on menu. Then red digit show place where you can change digit by leveler. If Made another long press, then possibly change this red digit position. Made another long press for select position. Change number. And at finish made short press for accept.

This functions used if no touch avaible.
On new firmwares - this functional alse exist, but then used keyboard input not show.


Re: Red digit in the input field of the keaypad

 

Hello pe0cwk, the earlier version of NanoVNA allows you to adjust the value of the digit individually by clicking the red number. This function is temporarily unavailable in the current version, and this function may be completely deleted in the subsequent version. Obviously, the numeric soft keyboard is more practical.


Re: NanoVNA USB C connector is stuck

 

Sorry, this reply was meant to be for a SMA connector.

Jos

Op 19-7-2020 om 18:21 schreef Jos Stevens:

Hi Anne,

Use some pliers, but be very careful...... Officially you have to use a special tool with controlled torque.

Jos


Op 19-7-2020 om 17:42 schreef Anne Ranch:
Hello,
new user here.
After my new NanoVNA passed? "out of box" check I need to unplug the USB connector.
It won't budge.
Should I get a bigger hammer?
Anne



Re: nanoVNA vs nanoVNA-F vs nanoVNA-H What is the difference??????

 

In short...

Variant -H is the base 2.8" version. There are earlier h/w revisions, such as Hugen's original spin (black PCB + shielding) and the many clones of this. These should all be considered deprecated and end-of-life.
Variant -H4 is basically the same hardware as -H, but with a larger display.
Variant -F has a different, faster CPU, slightly modified front-end and higher resolution 4.2" capacitive touchscreen.

Firmware for -H and -H4 share a codebase. -F was forked from the original edy555 code a while back and is no longer compatible with any other variant.

HTH
Gerry


Re: SMA Torque Wrench

 

You're going to need something *Very Much* better than even the best
NanoVNA to do those tests!

Horses for courses, why would you use a ?50 "analyser" (that does work
amazingly well) for any really critical measurements?? Torquing or not
the cheap Chinese SMA connectors on them isn't going to make any
difference you can readily tell, but if wiggling the cable/connector
causes the trace to move, something needs looking at..

Plus, you'll need phase stable cables, and metrology grade calibration
standards too.? A bit pointless, considering how the NanoVNA can drift
over even a short time in some circumstances.

But otherwise, yes, if you're using a metrology grade
HP/Agilent/Keysight/R&S etc analyser, cables and adapters etc, it can
make or break a test.? But, even one metrology grade connector is going
to cost you way more than even the most expensive NanoVNA varient, while
the analyser will probably be worth (new) more than a container load of
NanoVNA's.

And just so it is said, you can over-torque connectors too, after which,
even for day-to-day utility use, they are often no use any more at
anything above 50MHz.

Don't get me wrong.? The NanoVNA is a truly amazing bit of kit for the
price, but a "Measuring" instrument it is not.

73.

Dave G0WBX (who for a crust, wrangles RF to 10's of GHz, and many kW's,
sometimes at the same time!)

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Red digit in the input field of the keaypad

 

Which is the aim behind the presentation of the data (sometimes with a red digit) in the input field of the keypad on the NaoVna H4 (fw version 0.5.0)?
It seems they are always integers.
And if a real is input (e.g. 2.5) it is presented as an integer in the Trace status on top of the display.

Kees


Re: Intro and Noob Question

 

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 3:14 PM Charles Albert <cma_1956@...> wrote:



Will the (various) software packages for PC run under Linux (Mint 20 to
be exact), perhaps using WINE, or are there Linux versions out there
that I have missed?
Hi Charles.

Nanovna-saver is a Python app which runs pretty much everywhere. I run it
on Fedora Linux but any fairly modern Linux will work.

Just visit github and choose the download/install method that suits you


I just clone the git repo and run the application with python3.7 and it
works a treat.

--
MC
VK1MC


Intro and Noob Question

 

Greetings, all...

I've been reading this group for a while now and today I took the plunge and ordered a NanoVNA-H4. Should be here in about a week.

And I'm not the most patient guy in the world when waiting for deliveries!

I've been reading the Wiki and many of the older messages from the group, but there is one question I haven't been able to find an answer for:

Will the (various) software packages for PC run under Linux (Mint 20 to be exact), perhaps using WINE, or are there Linux versions out there that I have missed?

If worse comes to worse, I suspect I can get them to run under VirtualBox even though the USB support can get tricky. Had to deal with that issue before, and I suspect I will have to again in the future.

Thanks in advance for any comments and/or suggestions.

Take Care & 73

de KC6UFM
Charles


Re: Determination of Soil Characteristics with Nanovna

 

Roger,

Do you mean get the actual numbers that apply? Instead of the numbers you wish for? Just semantics - in this case significant.

73

de KEoZUW - John

On Jul 20, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Roger Steyaert <k7rxv@...> wrote:

by this method get the numbers you want.


Re: SMA Torque Wrench

 

At HF frequencies, all this hand-wringing is of no consequence. Tighten the
SMA connectors finger tight and get on with your measurements.
I did microwave engineering (1-100 GHz) for many years.
73, Carey, WB4HXE

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM John Nicholas <stnick@...> wrote:


Reading the original Military Specification for the SMA stated 3 inch
pounds for Brass SMAs. It also limited mates/demates to 500 per pair. So
if you are attaching to a PCB mounted unit, that one also has a limit of
500.

Another source, Wikipedia or Pasternak, perhaps stated 8 inch pounds for
Stainless Steel.

Given my fat fingers that have lost strength and some feeling over the
decades, I thought those were interesting and worth following up. I found
torque wrenches from 200 - 600 USD. I ended up deciding to buy 2 small $4
units. (non-torque). I put one on my finger tight and easily turned it 1/2
turn.

So small wrenches carefully applied to avoid too many mates/demates, and
to avoid stress on the PCB mounted units also.

73

de KEoZUW - John



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Carey Fisher
careyfisher@...


Re: NanoVNA Saver 0.3.3 or 0.3.4

 

Thank you Gyula and all the rest that replied. I managed to get Python loaded onto my shack computer and then I ran into another problem. Right now I¡¯m not sure what it was. However, a friend of mine who is familiar with loading programs using Python is coming over to help me out.

I really appreciate your step by step process. I did find things a little different on my computer but was able to work through them and get Python installed.

God bless,

Joe

Joe Joncas WA7MHB
Lincoln County Radio Amateur Club
541-272-3207
joe1@...

On Jul 19, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Gyula Molnar <gyula.ha3hz@...> wrote:

Hi Joe Joncas,

You can also use the latest (v0.3.6) version of nanoVNA-Saver on your Windows 32-bit machine if you run it under Python.
To do this, you need to install Python on Windows. Description here: /g/nanovna-users/attachment/10650/0/Installing Python on Windows7-32 for nanoVNA-Saver.pdf
In the group wiki (/g/nanovna-users/wiki) you will find the description under the heading NanoVNASaver, where you can download and read the necessary information by clicking on the blue text.
Once you have installed Python, you will download nanovna-saver 0.3.6 (). You unzip this to the C drive and see what modules need to be installed under Python in "requirements.txt" for nanoVNASaver to work well. The previously referenced Python installation is described in pdf. You will install these step by step and then the nanovna-saver will work on windows 32 bits as well.
It seems Holger can¡¯t or doesn¡¯t want to do this to make the latest nanovna saver work on windows 32-bit machines without Python.
If you want to use it on your MacBook, you can find a "Search" button in the forum where you're right now. Type "macBook" here and the information found there will help you with what you need to do.
I enclose some images, these are screenshots taken on a Windows 32-bit machine and under Python 3.7.4.
I hope I was able to help you get started.

73, Gyula HA3HZ
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Kees,
Personally, I am happy with the present scheme for the Reference Position.
Regarding the red digit on the data entry line: More recent firmware versions seem
to behave differently. Try some out and see if you like them.
--John

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 02:02 PM, Kees wrote:


John,

Thanks. Nice to read that it is possible what I was looking for. Sure.
I discovered that it is possible to position the reference point not only on
the gridlines, but also between them.
However I expected that only integers 0...8 were allowed.
It might be more intuitive when the existing Reference button changes its name
into Reference Position
and a new button in the menu is added with the text Reference Level.
Then the Reference Postion button accepts only integer values between 0 and 8
and the Reference Level button accepts any real value between, for
example,-99.0 and +99.0 (dB).
The chosen Reference value for the (active) channel should then be visible
anywhere along the edge, outside the grid of the display.
In this way you can show the trace how you want it in combination with the
scale setting (scale/div).
If I have it right you now can select any real value for the scale/div as
well.
I think it should then be more intuitive to select from fixed values like
(0.1, 0.2),1, 2, 5, 10, or 20 dB/div.
One of these values are then visible on top of the display.
I have described the LOGMAG but I can imagine that something like written
above can also be made for the other formats.
During a lot of years I have used several type of Scalar- and Vector Network
Analyzers.
With that experience I tried to play with this NanoVna-H4 as the operation of
the buttons is concerned.
May be it is worth to give it a chance for implementation in the NanoVna-H4.

Is it worth to add the limits of what you may use for that selection at the
input field of the num. keyboard?
I have tried to choose a number for the display brightness. Finally I tried
2000,
but is it not more intuitive to select from 1 to 5 as an example?
At the moment I see there always a big integer value with one red digit. Have
these a special meaning?


Re: Determination of Soil Characteristics with Nanovna

 

Not sure if this is helpful or not, but I have and use a "fall of potential" ground resistance meter to check my ground restivity. It uses a built in AC oscillator driving 3 electrodes with a given spacing and provides a reading in ohms for the ground resistance.

I've never to tried convert or characterize those readings into soil conductivity and relative permittivity, but I'm pretty sure they would be related mathematically.
Ray, W4BYG

On 7/20/2020 19:43, John Moyle wrote:
Hi
I am new to the Nanovna and I apologise if this question has be asked before.
I want to measure soil conductivity and relative permittivity.
Are there standard electrode dimensions and positioning?
I am studying ground wave and NVIS propagation.
Any advice appreciated.
Thank you

--
They say a smart person learns from their mistakes. A
wise person learns from the mistakes of others.
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Re: NanoVNA Saver 0.3.3 or 0.3.4

 

Thank you

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 5:51 PM Enrique A. Wembagher LU8EFF <lu8eff@...>
wrote:

Clyde
Unzip this file:



The exe file is in folder

Enrique




Re: SMA Torque Wrench

 

Reading the original Military Specification for the SMA stated 3 inch pounds for Brass SMAs. It also limited mates/demates to 500 per pair. So if you are attaching to a PCB mounted unit, that one also has a limit of 500.

Another source, Wikipedia or Pasternak, perhaps stated 8 inch pounds for Stainless Steel.

Given my fat fingers that have lost strength and some feeling over the decades, I thought those were interesting and worth following up. I found torque wrenches from 200 - 600 USD. I ended up deciding to buy 2 small $4 units. (non-torque). I put one on my finger tight and easily turned it 1/2 turn.

So small wrenches carefully applied to avoid too many mates/demates, and to avoid stress on the PCB mounted units also.

73

de KEoZUW - John


Re: SMA Torque Wrench

 

How about someone in the group runs some tests on the electrical properties of the SMA connector torqued, finger tight and partially torqued?

John, W?ZI

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul W8SBH
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 2:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] SMA Torque Wrench

As a mechanical engineer I have known about torque wrenches for years There have been studies of their accuracy and it can be said that overall it is generally +/- 50 percent. There are several factors r effecting this.
Thread condition including accuracy and finish. Cleanliness. Alignment.
Even more for bolted joints.

Industries requiring accurate tightening to meet tightness requirements and stress levels in the joint use more sophisticated methods.

Admittedly most industrial applications are larger but the basics are the same.

For my purposes I carefully align the sma ends and finger tighten until the two seat together.

Paul Ostand, P.E.
W8SBH




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 PM Dave Merrill <r390a.urr@...> wrote:

Hello group,

I found this 8mm torque wrench on eBay:



It is factory preset for 0.59N-m which is just below the upper limit
for brass SMA connectors. It seems to do the job and the price is
very reasonable for the quality represented.

Might be worth a look. I have no relationship with the seller.

Dave N9ZC




Re: SMA Torque Wrench

 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 01:50:09PM -0700, Dana Whitlow wrote:
The SMA's close cousin, the "3.5mm" connector, is quite a bit more robust and
I'd not be sorry to see SMAs go the way of the dinosaurs. At present the 3.5mm
connectors are quite a bit more expensive than SMAs, but I suspect that if made
in the quantities that SMAs currently are, their price would come down to not
much more than that of SMAs.
Some research indicates this idea has support elsewhere in the industry: