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how do i calibrate the nano vna and how do i use the usb b type cable


Re: Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR? #calibration

 

Another opinion is offered here, along with a bit of mocking of you "online experts" - his words, not mine:



--
John AE5X


Re: Frequency error

 

I don't understand this TXCO error concern. Is the NanoVNA being used as a precision freq counter?

If you are using it for measurements between 2 freqs, what is the % of precision you are expecting from an instrument that costs less than $100.00 USD? Most test equipment is ¡À3%. I believe these are well within that.

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On May 22, 2020, 10:27, at 10:27, Rudolf Schaffer <rudolf.schaffer@...> wrote:
Hi Mike,

I agree totally ! It would be very useful in my case, waiting to
replace
the TCXO.

For the moment, i'm obliged to multiply the desired frequency by
1.0000855 to compensate

the too large error of the TCXO.

73 QRO,

Rudi, HB9ARI

Le 22.05.2020 ¨¤ 17:38, vbifyz a ¨¦crit?:
It would be nice to have a menu option to calibrate the frequency. It
is easy to adjust the Si5351A output frequency, all libraries for it
include this function.

73, Mike AF7KR



Re: Frequency error

 

Hi Mike,

I agree totally ! It would be very useful in my case, waiting to replace the TCXO.

For the moment, i'm obliged to multiply the desired frequency by 1.0000855 to compensate

the too large error of the TCXO.

73 QRO,

Rudi, HB9ARI

Le 22.05.2020 ¨¤ 17:38, vbifyz a ¨¦crit?:
It would be nice to have a menu option to calibrate the frequency. It is easy to adjust the Si5351A output frequency, all libraries for it include this function.

73, Mike AF7KR


RES: [nanovna-users] Trouble buying from China

Joao Carlos de Carli - IU5JCI
 

I bought mine last may 14h from this seller
and DHL expects to deliver in Italy next may 27th.
Regards,

73 de Joao, IU5JCI

-----Mensagem original-----
De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Em nome de Leif M
Enviada em: venerd¨¬ 22 maggio 2020 19:13
Para: [email protected]
Assunto: Re: [nanovna-users] Trouble buying from China

I got mine today and I bought it around Apr 14. I live in Finland.
Mail between Europe and China is currently not working IMO.


Re: saver software linux

 

Bob,

you got it from the groups.io file area, though it takes a bit of finding, since it wasn't found by DuckDuckGo or Google. It came from:

/g/nanovna-users/files/NanoVNA%20PC%20Software/NanoVNA-Saver/nvna-s-pve-rev-c.pdf

The wiki entry is at /g/nanovna-users/wiki#Python.

Now to try the procedure itself.

73, Stay Safe,

Robin, G8DQX

On 20/05/2020 20:00, Bob Solimeno wrote:
I've been able to install the NanoVNA-Saver on Ubuntu 20.04 using the attached helper document. I regret to say that I forgot where I found it ... memory loss is the first sign of senility!

The nice thing about this approach is that it can be set up with a script, saved as a desktop icon and run easily. One caveat is that your username must be part of the"dialout" group on your Linux system so that access to the usb port will be allowed to connect the NanoVNA to your computer. As always, your mileage may vary if running other versions of Ubuntu or other distros.

73 Bob KC2JAV


Re: Trouble buying from China

 

I got mine today and I bought it around Apr 14. I live in Finland.
Mail between Europe and China is currently not working IMO.


Re: Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR? #calibration

 

As previously stated, you're fine. What you are seeing is quite expected.

Take your cal standard of 51 ohms: Assuming your cal standard is truly is
51.0000000 ohms (DMM measurement tolerance), the SWR against
50.000000...... ohms would be 51.0000000 / 50.000000, or 1.020:1. I doubt
any amateur SWR meter would display this as anything other than 1:1.
Again, not a problem.

Take your coax: Try making an identical measurement with the antenna end
of the line terminated with your 50-ohm cal. load or another known good
resistor (connect with no leads and the resistor must be good at 146 MHz -
no series reactance) in place of the antenna. The ripple is likely due to
your antenna not being 50.000..... ohms over the entire bandwidth you are
measuring. Again, this is quite typical and not a problem.

Dave - W?LEV

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kurt Poulsen <kurt@...> wrote:

Hi Ed
It is quite normal what you see. Please note that the number of point are
only 100 so for the span used 50MHz you have a point for each 0.5MHz.
Reduce the span to e.g. 140 to 150 MHz and see for every 100KHz the
impedance / SWR. The load are OK it is not what you concern should be, It
do not think you Ohm meter are accurate enough to determine the very exact
DC resistance and will only create a very little SWR contribution.
I would guess you antenna does not have 50ohm impedance on 145MHz. The
oscillation you see are natural for reflection from the antenna which is
wandering forth and back in the cable.
Kind regards
Kurt

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> P? vegne af
ed@...
Sendt: 21. maj 2020 07:35
Til: [email protected]
Emne: [nanovna-users] Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR?
#calibration

After calibrating, I connected my nanovna to my VHF antenna via a brand
new 75 foot length of 50ohm DX400MAX coax. The SWR measurement oscillates
up and down every 4MHz or so (see attached). These correspond exactly to
the half-wavelength harmonics of the cable. Looking at the smith chart, it
is clear that the impedance is tracing a circle around about 45 ohms rather
than the constant-SWR circle centered at 50 ohms, resulting in a
frequency-dependent SWR.

Is there is a good way to determine whether this is a problem with my
nanovna, with the calibration standard, or with the cable?

One note: the calibration standard load measures 51 ohms DC resistance,
which seems like a problem to me. Should my standard be exactly 50 ohms dc
resistance?







--
*Dave - W?LEV*
*Just Let Darwin Work*


Re: vbat_offset - how ?

 

With the help you can see what commands are available in the given version.

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*** nothing is permanent only change ( ) ***


vbat_offset - how ?

 

Good afternoon Gents.

Ive just updated my firmware and manage to connect to the vna with putty

however when I enter the command vbat_offset 150

I get the response vbat_offset?

Any clues ?


Re: Frequency error

 

It would be nice to have a menu option to calibrate the frequency. It is easy to adjust the Si5351A output frequency, all libraries for it include this function.

73, Mike AF7KR


Re: [Measuring] Is there an easy way to measure balun loss?

 

I did this about 2 years ago similar to Roger Need's second link. On the output of the 1:49 balun I connected a 2400 ohm resistor and in series with this resistor on its ground end I connected an HP power meter. The total load is then 2450 ohms. If the 1:49 transformer has a 0 dB loss the the power meter would measure 16.9 dB below the input power. Anything higher than 16.9 dB down due to the loss in the 1:49 transformer (it is not an autotransformer or and unun, BTW.....it is a conventional transformer with a primary and secondary winding). This based on the ideal S21 = 10 x log (50/2450) = -16.902 dB. You can do the same with a 1:9 transformer (10 x log (50/450) etc.. When I received my Nanovna back last August, there was good agreement in the loss measurement against the HP 435B with an HP8482 power sensor. This is how I determined the loss of a 1:49 EFHW transformer to be 1 to 1.5 dB depending on the freq. A resistance of 2450 ohms is far from what an EFHW antenna's feed point Z is but close enough for a ball park check. A back to back test had fairly good agreement. 73


Re: nanovna cases #enclosure

 

Bill,

That was a deleted word, not mispelled. Prolly due to my phat phingers.

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On May 21, 2020, 12:53, at 12:53, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@...> wrote:
Hi Geo,

In my two way wrist watch I have restricted the spell-checker to merely

suggesting by underline any words it thinks are wrong and it is not
allowed to "autocorrect". Sometimes it underlines correctly and other
times displays it's puny lexicon by underlining correctly spelled
words.

I mever nake big misteaks.

73,

Bill KU8H


On 5/21/20 3:37 PM, GEO BADGER via groups.io wrote:
Should NOT flake off. My droid won that battle. Ugh!

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

--
bark less - wag more


Re: Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR? #calibration

 

Hi Ed
It is quite normal what you see. Please note that the number of point are only 100 so for the span used 50MHz you have a point for each 0.5MHz. Reduce the span to e.g. 140 to 150 MHz and see for every 100KHz the impedance / SWR. The load are OK it is not what you concern should be, It do not think you Ohm meter are accurate enough to determine the very exact DC resistance and will only create a very little SWR contribution.
I would guess you antenna does not have 50ohm impedance on 145MHz. The oscillation you see are natural for reflection from the antenna which is wandering forth and back in the cable.
Kind regards
Kurt

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> P? vegne af ed@...
Sendt: 21. maj 2020 07:35
Til: [email protected]
Emne: [nanovna-users] Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR? #calibration

After calibrating, I connected my nanovna to my VHF antenna via a brand new 75 foot length of 50ohm DX400MAX coax. The SWR measurement oscillates up and down every 4MHz or so (see attached). These correspond exactly to the half-wavelength harmonics of the cable. Looking at the smith chart, it is clear that the impedance is tracing a circle around about 45 ohms rather than the constant-SWR circle centered at 50 ohms, resulting in a frequency-dependent SWR.

Is there is a good way to determine whether this is a problem with my nanovna, with the calibration standard, or with the cable?

One note: the calibration standard load measures 51 ohms DC resistance, which seems like a problem to me. Should my standard be exactly 50 ohms dc resistance?


Re: nanovna cases #enclosure

 

Hi Geo,

In my two way wrist watch I have restricted the spell-checker to merely suggesting by underline any words it thinks are wrong and it is not allowed to "autocorrect". Sometimes it underlines correctly and other times displays it's puny lexicon by underlining correctly spelled words.

I mever nake big misteaks.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 5/21/20 3:37 PM, GEO BADGER via groups.io wrote:
Should NOT flake off. My droid won that battle. Ugh!
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
--
bark less - wag more


Re: nanovna cases #enclosure

 

Should NOT flake off. My droid won that battle. Ugh!

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On May 21, 2020, 12:29, at 12:29, "GEO BADGER via groups.io" <w3ab@...> wrote:
Jason,

As an ex-employee of M/A-COM I can vouch for what you learned. We made
special connectors for the test equipment companies, HP, Wiltron and
such. The plating should flake off any OS connector.

BeCu is not necessarily dangerous with standard machining practices
because it produces large chips & not dust during the machining
process.

A couple of other companies I worked for used BeO. It an excellent
electrical insulator and possesses the highest thermal conductivity of
commercial ceramics. We needed that for the high power circuits we
designed. It was machined under water due the dust generated by
grinding & polishing.

IMHO, the frequencies that the NanoVNA operates at & the precision we
require are not compromised by good connectors & operating practices.
These devices should not be compared to a HP VNA. They are ideal for
amateur radio use.

I use push-SMA connector savers with excellent repeatability. I believe
they were made by Adams-Russell, another M/A-COM company.

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On May 21, 2020, 12:01, at 12:01, fishtronics <fishtronics@...>
wrote:
Using the SMA-M/SMA-F adapters as connector savers like I think you
show, Stan, is a very good idea. Even very high quality SMA connectors
(>$50 each) degrade in match very quickly. Cheap ones with only 2 jaws
on the center conductor are pretty much worthless for repetitive use.
I
was once told by the ME at Omni-Spectra their SMAs were rated to meet
spec for the initial connection only! I am getting a bunch and will
swap them out as soon as any gold flaking or wear is apparent under
magnification. Most of the cheaper SMA connectors from China look to
me
to have plain brass center contacts which will not apply any contact
pressure after the first mating. A capacitive gap results. The only
inexpensive SMA-M/SMA-F adapter I can find with a Beryllium center
conductor is the Cal Test CT3673. The only reason to use BeCu which
costs more and is poisonous to machine is if they heat treat it, to
make the jaws springy. I don't know whether there are more than 2 jaws
to the F pin. Better ones have more, but at < 1GHz it probably won't
make any difference untll the jaw loses its spring. I have a question
into the tech support to ask about it. Data sheet kere:
.
They are dirt cheap at
Amazon:.
Jason NJ7K


Re: nanovna cases #enclosure

 

Jason,

As an ex-employee of M/A-COM I can vouch for what you learned. We made special connectors for the test equipment companies, HP, Wiltron and such. The plating should flake off any OS connector.

BeCu is not necessarily dangerous with standard machining practices because it produces large chips & not dust during the machining process.

A couple of other companies I worked for used BeO. It an excellent electrical insulator and possesses the highest thermal conductivity of commercial ceramics. We needed that for the high power circuits we designed. It was machined under water due the dust generated by grinding & polishing.

IMHO, the frequencies that the NanoVNA operates at & the precision we require are not compromised by good connectors & operating practices. These devices should not be compared to a HP VNA. They are ideal for amateur radio use.

I use push-SMA connector savers with excellent repeatability. I believe they were made by Adams-Russell, another M/A-COM company.

?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?

On May 21, 2020, 12:01, at 12:01, fishtronics <fishtronics@...> wrote:
Using the SMA-M/SMA-F adapters as connector savers like I think you
show, Stan, is a very good idea. Even very high quality SMA connectors
(>$50 each) degrade in match very quickly. Cheap ones with only 2 jaws
on the center conductor are pretty much worthless for repetitive use. I
was once told by the ME at Omni-Spectra their SMAs were rated to meet
spec for the initial connection only! I am getting a bunch and will
swap them out as soon as any gold flaking or wear is apparent under
magnification. Most of the cheaper SMA connectors from China look to me
to have plain brass center contacts which will not apply any contact
pressure after the first mating. A capacitive gap results. The only
inexpensive SMA-M/SMA-F adapter I can find with a Beryllium center
conductor is the Cal Test CT3673. The only reason to use BeCu which
costs more and is poisonous to machine is if they heat treat it, to
make the jaws springy. I don't know whether there are more than 2 jaws
to the F pin. Better ones have more, but at < 1GHz it probably won't
make any difference untll the jaw loses its spring. I have a question
into the tech support to ask about it. Data sheet kere:
.
They are dirt cheap at
Amazon:.
Jason NJ7K


Re: Frequency error

 

Thank you for your message.

I'm sure of my correct measurements:

-1- The relatives frequencies errors are ~ equal on the CW output at 100MHz

and direct TCXO (^-86 ppm)

-2- The reference of my frequency meter is furnished with the output of a well locked G3RUH GPSDO.

As written before, i will choose your 2nd solution, replacing the TCXO with a new and verified one.

Regards,

Rudi

Le 21.05.2020 ¨¤ 19:41, DiSlord a ¨¦crit?:
No it look like hardware problem (or measure frequency problem)

It possible fix by software need redefine
// XTAL frequency on si5351
#define XTALFREQ 26000000U
To current XTAL frequency and rebuild

Or replace XTAL


Re: Frequency error

 

Roger,

The HW version is 3.4

and FW version: 0.4.5-1-gfbbceca.

As i wrote before:

"

With a loop, i was able to measure the TCXO frequency and found

25.997748 MHz instead of 26MHz ! This error correspond to ~ -86ppm,

not too far of the output error of -85.5 ppm at 100MHz CW !

"

According to the schematic, (may be not the corresponding one...) the oscillator is a TCXO;? i don't

see a connection to a DAC or DC source, as for a TVCXO or VCXO. A pin, labelled AFC, seems to be grounded,

as i saw on the schematic. I searched on the WEB for a component

corresponding to the hard to read reference written on the component but i found nothing.

I'm far to be a specialist, but for me, the TCXO is far away from tolerance and defect.

I'm sure it should be compensated by software, but i don't like this solution in my case with a -85.5 ppm error.

As i wrote before, i will find a compatible component (frequency, tolerances, foot-print,etc) and ask to

a friend of me to replace it.

Regards,

Rudi

Le 21.05.2020 ¨¤ 19:14, Roger Need via groups.io a ¨¦crit?:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 09:06 AM, Rudolf Schaffer wrote:

As the TCXO frequency is out of tolerances, it's certainly a defect
component.
DiSlord suggested the error could be due to the firmware. What version are you running?

Roger


Re: nanovna cases #enclosure

 

Using the SMA-M/SMA-F adapters as connector savers like I think you show, Stan, is a very good idea. Even very high quality SMA connectors (>$50 each) degrade in match very quickly. Cheap ones with only 2 jaws on the center conductor are pretty much worthless for repetitive use. I was once told by the ME at Omni-Spectra their SMAs were rated to meet spec for the initial connection only! I am getting a bunch and will swap them out as soon as any gold flaking or wear is apparent under magnification. Most of the cheaper SMA connectors from China look to me to have plain brass center contacts which will not apply any contact pressure after the first mating. A capacitive gap results. The only inexpensive SMA-M/SMA-F adapter I can find with a Beryllium center conductor is the Cal Test CT3673. The only reason to use BeCu which costs more and is poisonous to machine is if they heat treat it, to make the jaws springy. I don't know whether there are more than 2 jaws to the F pin. Better ones have more, but at < 1GHz it probably won't make any difference untll the jaw loses its spring. I have a question into the tech support to ask about it. Data sheet kere: . They are dirt cheap at Amazon:.
Jason NJ7K