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Re: Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR?
#calibration
Another opinion is offered here, along with a bit of mocking of you "online experts" - his words, not mine:
-- John AE5X |
Re: Frequency error
I don't understand this TXCO error concern. Is the NanoVNA being used as a precision freq counter?
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If you are using it for measurements between 2 freqs, what is the % of precision you are expecting from an instrument that costs less than $100.00 USD? Most test equipment is ¡À3%. I believe these are well within that. ?___ Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO? On May 22, 2020, 10:27, at 10:27, Rudolf Schaffer <rudolf.schaffer@...> wrote:
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Re: Frequency error
Hi Mike,
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I agree totally ! It would be very useful in my case, waiting to replace the TCXO. For the moment, i'm obliged to multiply the desired frequency by 1.0000855 to compensate the too large error of the TCXO. 73 QRO, Rudi, HB9ARI Le 22.05.2020 ¨¤ 17:38, vbifyz a ¨¦crit?:
It would be nice to have a menu option to calibrate the frequency. It is easy to adjust the Si5351A output frequency, all libraries for it include this function. |
RES: [nanovna-users] Trouble buying from China
Joao Carlos de Carli - IU5JCI
I bought mine last may 14h from this seller
and DHL expects to deliver in Italy next may 27th. Regards, 73 de Joao, IU5JCI -----Mensagem original----- De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Em nome de Leif M Enviada em: venerd¨¬ 22 maggio 2020 19:13 Para: [email protected] Assunto: Re: [nanovna-users] Trouble buying from China I got mine today and I bought it around Apr 14. I live in Finland. Mail between Europe and China is currently not working IMO. |
Re: saver software linux
Bob,
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you got it from the groups.io file area, though it takes a bit of finding, since it wasn't found by DuckDuckGo or Google. It came from: /g/nanovna-users/files/NanoVNA%20PC%20Software/NanoVNA-Saver/nvna-s-pve-rev-c.pdf The wiki entry is at /g/nanovna-users/wiki#Python. Now to try the procedure itself. 73, Stay Safe, Robin, G8DQX On 20/05/2020 20:00, Bob Solimeno wrote:
I've been able to install the NanoVNA-Saver on Ubuntu 20.04 using the attached helper document. I regret to say that I forgot where I found it ... memory loss is the first sign of senility! |
Re: Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR?
#calibration
As previously stated, you're fine. What you are seeing is quite expected.
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Take your cal standard of 51 ohms: Assuming your cal standard is truly is 51.0000000 ohms (DMM measurement tolerance), the SWR against 50.000000...... ohms would be 51.0000000 / 50.000000, or 1.020:1. I doubt any amateur SWR meter would display this as anything other than 1:1. Again, not a problem. Take your coax: Try making an identical measurement with the antenna end of the line terminated with your 50-ohm cal. load or another known good resistor (connect with no leads and the resistor must be good at 146 MHz - no series reactance) in place of the antenna. The ripple is likely due to your antenna not being 50.000..... ohms over the entire bandwidth you are measuring. Again, this is quite typical and not a problem. Dave - W?LEV On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kurt Poulsen <kurt@...> wrote:
Hi Ed --
*Dave - W?LEV* *Just Let Darwin Work* |
Re: [Measuring] Is there an easy way to measure balun loss?
I did this about 2 years ago similar to Roger Need's second link. On the output of the 1:49 balun I connected a 2400 ohm resistor and in series with this resistor on its ground end I connected an HP power meter. The total load is then 2450 ohms. If the 1:49 transformer has a 0 dB loss the the power meter would measure 16.9 dB below the input power. Anything higher than 16.9 dB down due to the loss in the 1:49 transformer (it is not an autotransformer or and unun, BTW.....it is a conventional transformer with a primary and secondary winding). This based on the ideal S21 = 10 x log (50/2450) = -16.902 dB. You can do the same with a 1:9 transformer (10 x log (50/450) etc.. When I received my Nanovna back last August, there was good agreement in the loss measurement against the HP 435B with an HP8482 power sensor. This is how I determined the loss of a 1:49 EFHW transformer to be 1 to 1.5 dB depending on the freq. A resistance of 2450 ohms is far from what an EFHW antenna's feed point Z is but close enough for a ball park check. A back to back test had fairly good agreement. 73
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Re: nanovna cases
#enclosure
Bill,
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That was a deleted word, not mispelled. Prolly due to my phat phingers. ?___ Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO? On May 21, 2020, 12:53, at 12:53, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@...> wrote:
Hi Geo, |
Re: Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR?
#calibration
Hi Ed
It is quite normal what you see. Please note that the number of point are only 100 so for the span used 50MHz you have a point for each 0.5MHz. Reduce the span to e.g. 140 to 150 MHz and see for every 100KHz the impedance / SWR. The load are OK it is not what you concern should be, It do not think you Ohm meter are accurate enough to determine the very exact DC resistance and will only create a very little SWR contribution. I would guess you antenna does not have 50ohm impedance on 145MHz. The oscillation you see are natural for reflection from the antenna which is wandering forth and back in the cable. Kind regards Kurt -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> P? vegne af ed@... Sendt: 21. maj 2020 07:35 Til: [email protected] Emne: [nanovna-users] Calibration issue causing ripples in SWR? #calibration After calibrating, I connected my nanovna to my VHF antenna via a brand new 75 foot length of 50ohm DX400MAX coax. The SWR measurement oscillates up and down every 4MHz or so (see attached). These correspond exactly to the half-wavelength harmonics of the cable. Looking at the smith chart, it is clear that the impedance is tracing a circle around about 45 ohms rather than the constant-SWR circle centered at 50 ohms, resulting in a frequency-dependent SWR. Is there is a good way to determine whether this is a problem with my nanovna, with the calibration standard, or with the cable? One note: the calibration standard load measures 51 ohms DC resistance, which seems like a problem to me. Should my standard be exactly 50 ohms dc resistance? |
Re: nanovna cases
#enclosure
Hi Geo,
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In my two way wrist watch I have restricted the spell-checker to merely suggesting by underline any words it thinks are wrong and it is not allowed to "autocorrect". Sometimes it underlines correctly and other times displays it's puny lexicon by underlining correctly spelled words. I mever nake big misteaks. 73, Bill KU8H On 5/21/20 3:37 PM, GEO BADGER via groups.io wrote:
Should NOT flake off. My droid won that battle. Ugh! --
bark less - wag more |
Re: nanovna cases
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Should NOT flake off. My droid won that battle. Ugh!
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?___ Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO? On May 21, 2020, 12:29, at 12:29, "GEO BADGER via groups.io" <w3ab@...> wrote:
Jason, |
Re: nanovna cases
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Jason,
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As an ex-employee of M/A-COM I can vouch for what you learned. We made special connectors for the test equipment companies, HP, Wiltron and such. The plating should flake off any OS connector. BeCu is not necessarily dangerous with standard machining practices because it produces large chips & not dust during the machining process. A couple of other companies I worked for used BeO. It an excellent electrical insulator and possesses the highest thermal conductivity of commercial ceramics. We needed that for the high power circuits we designed. It was machined under water due the dust generated by grinding & polishing. IMHO, the frequencies that the NanoVNA operates at & the precision we require are not compromised by good connectors & operating practices. These devices should not be compared to a HP VNA. They are ideal for amateur radio use. I use push-SMA connector savers with excellent repeatability. I believe they were made by Adams-Russell, another M/A-COM company. ?___ Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO? On May 21, 2020, 12:01, at 12:01, fishtronics <fishtronics@...> wrote:
Using the SMA-M/SMA-F adapters as connector savers like I think you |
Re: Frequency error
Thank you for your message.
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I'm sure of my correct measurements: -1- The relatives frequencies errors are ~ equal on the CW output at 100MHz and direct TCXO (^-86 ppm) -2- The reference of my frequency meter is furnished with the output of a well locked G3RUH GPSDO. As written before, i will choose your 2nd solution, replacing the TCXO with a new and verified one. Regards, Rudi Le 21.05.2020 ¨¤ 19:41, DiSlord a ¨¦crit?:
No it look like hardware problem (or measure frequency problem) |
Re: Frequency error
Roger,
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The HW version is 3.4 and FW version: 0.4.5-1-gfbbceca. As i wrote before: " With a loop, i was able to measure the TCXO frequency and found 25.997748 MHz instead of 26MHz ! This error correspond to ~ -86ppm, not too far of the output error of -85.5 ppm at 100MHz CW ! " According to the schematic, (may be not the corresponding one...) the oscillator is a TCXO;? i don't see a connection to a DAC or DC source, as for a TVCXO or VCXO. A pin, labelled AFC, seems to be grounded, as i saw on the schematic. I searched on the WEB for a component corresponding to the hard to read reference written on the component but i found nothing. I'm far to be a specialist, but for me, the TCXO is far away from tolerance and defect. I'm sure it should be compensated by software, but i don't like this solution in my case with a -85.5 ppm error. As i wrote before, i will find a compatible component (frequency, tolerances, foot-print,etc) and ask to a friend of me to replace it. Regards, Rudi Le 21.05.2020 ¨¤ 19:14, Roger Need via groups.io a ¨¦crit?:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 09:06 AM, Rudolf Schaffer wrote:As the TCXO frequency is out of tolerances, it's certainly a defectDiSlord suggested the error could be due to the firmware. What version are you running? |
Re: nanovna cases
#enclosure
Using the SMA-M/SMA-F adapters as connector savers like I think you show, Stan, is a very good idea. Even very high quality SMA connectors (>$50 each) degrade in match very quickly. Cheap ones with only 2 jaws on the center conductor are pretty much worthless for repetitive use. I was once told by the ME at Omni-Spectra their SMAs were rated to meet spec for the initial connection only! I am getting a bunch and will swap them out as soon as any gold flaking or wear is apparent under magnification. Most of the cheaper SMA connectors from China look to me to have plain brass center contacts which will not apply any contact pressure after the first mating. A capacitive gap results. The only inexpensive SMA-M/SMA-F adapter I can find with a Beryllium center conductor is the Cal Test CT3673. The only reason to use BeCu which costs more and is poisonous to machine is if they heat treat it, to make the jaws springy. I don't know whether there are more than 2 jaws to the F pin. Better ones have more, but at < 1GHz it probably won't make any difference untll the jaw loses its spring. I have a question into the tech support to ask about it. Data sheet kere: . They are dirt cheap at Amazon:.
Jason NJ7K |
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