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On Jan 8, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:

?All,

During the past six or so hours, we have received pledges for the necessary funds to pay the 2022 GIO subscription for this group. Thank you all for pledging to contribute.

For those of of you who have pledged funds, thank you. For those who have not, your contributions to the forum, whether it be by posting useful questions and information, or just reading and absorbing the posts, your membership is highly valued.

I wish to extened my appreciation to all forum members for making this one of the most successful forums of which I have been a member.

Thank you.

DaveD

On 1/8/2022 12:26 PM, Dave Daniel via groups.io wrote:
All,

The annual payment of $220 for this group is due on January 18th. Last year, the co-owners split the fee in half and paid it. This year we are asking for donations from one or more group members.

I can think of two ways for group members to donate.

1. Send donations directly to one of the co-owners (probably me) and when sufficient funds have been collected the co-owner would make the payment to groups.io.

2. Use the groups.io "Donation" facility and ask members to donate directly.

I have some open questions about the groups.io donation feature and have asked them. Also, there are aspects of the Donation facility which I do not like, from privacy and financial account security standpoints.

With respect to the first method listed above, I would be willing to collect donations paid directly to me using PayPal "Friends and Family" up to the $220 and make the payment directly to groups.io. Apart from collecting donations from members, this is what I did last year. If for some reason I were to receive excess funds, the excess would be returned on a LIFO basis.

In any case, we, collectively as a group, will need to come up with the $220. At present, if there are any members who would like to pledge a donation, please send an email to the group owners with the amount that you are willing to pledge. This would allow me to do a bit of planning numbers-wise. As I do not want to lower the S/N ratio of the technical content of the posts, please send any pledges to the owners at [email protected].

Happy New Year, and thank you from the group owners.

DaveD

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10,444 members... 3 years existance.

I have a 20 yo list of 2000 that paid to have the kitchen sink dragged over from YahOops for 220..TONS of pics and Files.
We use 3/4 of a Gig and calcs say we're good for 4 - 5 more..We didn't use the extra features and opted to drop down to free, despite having to flog folks away from donating 10-30$ each in under 24 hrs.

So, (new here,) I wonder if the list needs the extra features, or is close to running out of memory, or if the payment is actually needed and will serve the intended use.

How's our memory use look?

Respectfully +
BillSF9c

I too will commit $5.

Fred - N4CLA

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 7:35 PM Paul W8SBH <proinwv@...> wrote:

I can commit to up to $5 depending upon the need

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 5:59 PM Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:

All,

Thank you for the responses I have received so far.

At this point, I am asking for pledges only and not actual funds.
Assuming that this goes as planned, I will send out requests for funds,
in whatever form they may take, when we are closer to the deadline.

DaveD

On 1/8/2022 12:26 PM, Dave Daniel via groups.io wrote:

All,

The annual payment of $220 for this group is due on January 18th. Last
year, the co-owners split the fee in half and paid it. This year we
are asking for donations from one or more group members.

I can think of two ways for group members to donate.

1. Send donations directly to one of the co-owners (probably me) and
when sufficient funds have been collected the co-owner would make the
payment to groups.io.

2. Use the groups.io "Donation" facility and ask members to donate
directly.

I have some open questions about the groups.io donation feature and
have asked them. Also, there are aspects of the Donation facility
which I do not like, from privacy and financial account security
standpoints.

With respect to the first method listed above, I would be willing to
collect donations paid directly to me using PayPal "Friends and
Family" up to the $220 and make the payment directly to groups.io.
Apart from collecting donations from members, this is what I did last
year. If for some reason I were to receive excess funds, the excess
would be returned on a LIFO basis.

In any case, we, collectively as a group, will need to come up with
the $220. At present, if there are any members who would like to
pledge a donation, please send an email to the group owners with the
amount that you are willing to pledge. This would allow me to do a bit
of planning numbers-wise. As I do not want to lower the S/N ratio of
the technical content of the posts, please send any pledges to the
owners at [email protected].

Happy New Year, and thank you from the group owners.

DaveD

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Paul

W8SBH
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All,

The annual payment of $220 for this group is due on January 18th. Last year, the co-owners split the fee in half and paid it. This year we are asking for donations from one or more group members.

I can think of two ways for group members to donate.

1. Send donations directly to one of the co-owners (probably me) and when sufficient funds have been collected the co-owner would make the payment to groups.io.

2. Use the groups.io "Donation" facility and ask members to donate directly.

I have some open questions about the groups.io donation feature and have asked them. Also, there are aspects of the Donation facility which I do not like, from privacy and financial account security standpoints.

With respect to the first method listed above, I would be willing to collect donations paid directly to me using PayPal "Friends and Family" up to the $220? and make the payment directly to groups.io. Apart from collecting donations from members, this is what I did last year. If for some reason I were to receive excess funds, the excess would be returned on a LIFO basis.

In any case, we, collectively as a group, will need to come up with the $220. At present, if there are any members who would like to pledge a donation, please send an email to the group owners with the amount that you are willing to pledge. This would allow me to do a bit of planning numbers-wise. As I do not want to lower the S/N ratio of the technical content of the posts, please send any pledges to the owners at [email protected].

Happy New Year, and thank you from the group owners.

DaveD

On 01/08/2022 1:59 PM Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:

I too will commit $5.

Fred - N4CLA

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 7:35 PM Paul W8SBH <proinwv@...> wrote:

I can commit to up to $5 depending upon the need

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 5:59 PM Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:

All,

Thank you for the responses I have received so far.

At this point, I am asking for pledges only and not actual funds.
Assuming that this goes as planned, I will send out requests for funds,
in whatever form they may take, when we are closer to the deadline.

DaveD

On 1/8/2022 12:26 PM, Dave Daniel via groups.io wrote:

All,

The annual payment of $220 for this group is due on January 18th.

Last

year, the co-owners split the fee in half and paid it. This year we
are asking for donations from one or more group members.

I can think of two ways for group members to donate.

1. Send donations directly to one of the co-owners (probably me) and
when sufficient funds have been collected the co-owner would make the
payment to groups.io.

2. Use the groups.io "Donation" facility and ask members to donate
directly.

I have some open questions about the groups.io donation feature and
have asked them. Also, there are aspects of the Donation facility
which I do not like, from privacy and financial account security
standpoints.

With respect to the first method listed above, I would be willing to
collect donations paid directly to me using PayPal "Friends and
Family" up to the $220 and make the payment directly to groups.io.
Apart from collecting donations from members, this is what I did last
year. If for some reason I were to receive excess funds, the excess
would be returned on a LIFO basis.

In any case, we, collectively as a group, will need to come up with
the $220. At present, if there are any members who would like to
pledge a donation, please send an email to the group owners with the
amount that you are willing to pledge. This would allow me to do a

bit

of planning numbers-wise. As I do not want to lower the S/N ratio of
the technical content of the posts, please send any pledges to the
owners at [email protected].

Happy New Year, and thank you from the group owners.

DaveD

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Paul

W8SBH
?? ?? ????
(this too shall pass)

I can commit to up to $5 depending upon the need

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 5:59 PM Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:

All,

Thank you for the responses I have received so far.

At this point, I am asking for pledges only and not actual funds.
Assuming that this goes as planned, I will send out requests for funds,
in whatever form they may take, when we are closer to the deadline.

DaveD

On 1/8/2022 12:26 PM, Dave Daniel via groups.io wrote:

All,

The annual payment of $220 for this group is due on January 18th. Last
year, the co-owners split the fee in half and paid it. This year we
are asking for donations from one or more group members.

I can think of two ways for group members to donate.

1. Send donations directly to one of the co-owners (probably me) and
when sufficient funds have been collected the co-owner would make the
payment to groups.io.

2. Use the groups.io "Donation" facility and ask members to donate
directly.

I have some open questions about the groups.io donation feature and
have asked them. Also, there are aspects of the Donation facility
which I do not like, from privacy and financial account security
standpoints.

With respect to the first method listed above, I would be willing to
collect donations paid directly to me using PayPal "Friends and
Family" up to the $220 and make the payment directly to groups.io.
Apart from collecting donations from members, this is what I did last
year. If for some reason I were to receive excess funds, the excess
would be returned on a LIFO basis.

In any case, we, collectively as a group, will need to come up with
the $220. At present, if there are any members who would like to
pledge a donation, please send an email to the group owners with the
amount that you are willing to pledge. This would allow me to do a bit
of planning numbers-wise. As I do not want to lower the S/N ratio of
the technical content of the posts, please send any pledges to the
owners at [email protected].

Happy New Year, and thank you from the group owners.

DaveD

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Paul

W8SBH
?? ?? ????
(this too shall pass)

All,

The annual payment of $220 for this group is due on January 18th. Last year, the co-owners split the fee in half and paid it. This year we are asking for donations from one or more group members.

I can think of two ways for group members to donate.

1. Send donations directly to one of the co-owners (probably me) and when sufficient funds have been collected the co-owner would make the payment to groups.io.

2. Use the groups.io "Donation" facility and ask members to donate directly.

I have some open questions about the groups.io donation feature and have asked them. Also, there are aspects of the Donation facility which I do not like, from privacy and financial account security standpoints.

With respect to the first method listed above, I would be willing to collect donations paid directly to me using PayPal "Friends and Family" up to the $220? and make the payment directly to groups.io. Apart from collecting donations from members, this is what I did last year. If for some reason I were to receive excess funds, the excess would be returned on a LIFO basis.

In any case, we, collectively as a group, will need to come up with the $220. At present, if there are any members who would like to pledge a donation, please send an email to the group owners with the amount that you are willing to pledge. This would allow me to do a bit of planning numbers-wise. As I do not want to lower the S/N ratio of the technical content of the posts, please send any pledges to the owners at [email protected].

Happy New Year, and thank you from the group owners.

DaveD

Howdy all!y i
Scott here in west Texas. I met the nanoVNA at the Midland Amateur Radio Club's annual Christmas party in December, 2019 when a ham I'd never met (Steven, KI5AXQ) showed up with one hoping to get some questions answered about it. He made the mistake of sitting across the table from me during dinner. No one was able to provide the answers he was interested in but since I use a commercial VNA for work I took a look. I was very impressed. Now I have several, one portable and 1 each for my 2 radio shacks. I am testing with our radio engineer at work so that we can recommend them for my fellow communication field techs. We'll see how that works out.

I have a few comments:
1. There appears to be more than 10,000 members in this group.
2. I personally benefit big-time from this group. More so than practically any other forum I'm in!
3. I feel that the co-owners SHOULD NOT PAY ANYTHING for running this group and plan to donate.
4. IF ONLY 10% of the members make a donation of one dollar US, that would be enough money to cover almost 5 years of forum fees.
5. Donating $1 US every 4 or 5 years represents a fantastic bargain for the incredible benefits of this wonderful forum.
6. I feel that this little product has been one of the biggest and most affordable benefits to the radio community in a very long time. It deserves an award or something. I can't praise it enough.
7. I have been able to get 19 friends to purchase and learn to use the nanoVNA since i first saw one in December 2019. Everyone loves analyzing everything! Me too...


QUESTIONS for the Co-Owners:
1. Does GroupsIO offer multi-year discounts? Some outfits let one save money if buying a 2 or 3 or 5-year block for example.
2. If there is a bulk discount, can you specify what options y'all have to choose from?
3. Can y'all start a topic or is there a way to vote by the members on which bulk discount they would like to see the Co-Owners choose (to help them decide to donate)?
4. As a member, I would like to see this forum continue for quite some time. Are there ways we members could help out the Co-Owners besides donations? Sort of let us earn our keep with support.

I have written lots of software in the past and know it takes time and is a labor of love.
Could the Co-Owners host a donation program that pays something to the firmware and software developers. A sort of bonus program for keeping their work moving forward for the benefit of all of us users?

Could the Co-Owners arrange for some type of once-a-month or once-a-quarter video-conference with a user or developer, primarily for training, so we could talk with live people (rather than u-tube) with often-never-answered questions in a list below the video?

Could the Co-Owners arrange for a "super booth" at some hamfests for developers and vendors to expand the userbase, generate sales, host a training session, etc.

These represent my own opinions and no one else's. I have no affiliation with any vendor, co-owner nor software developer. It is my sincere hope that no one finds the content of this post inappropriate nor offensive. My opinions are not intended to influence any purchasing decisions by any other persion. These opinions of my own are not to be construed as any technical analysis or recommendation of this product over any other.

I plan to donate after the Co-Owner(s) reply to the questions above. I hope many others will donate as well, for the benefit of everyone in the forum.
Scott
AD5U

On Jan 8, 2022, at 1:21 PM, scottad5u1@... wrote:

?Howdy all!y i
Scott here in west Texas. I met the nanoVNA at the Midland Amateur Radio Club's annual Christmas party in December, 2019 when a ham I'd never met (Steven, KI5AXQ) showed up with one hoping to get some questions answered about it. He made the mistake of sitting across the table from me during dinner. No one was able to provide the answers he was interested in but since I use a commercial VNA for work I took a look. I was very impressed. Now I have several, one portable and 1 each for my 2 radio shacks. I am testing with our radio engineer at work so that we can recommend them for my fellow communication field techs. We'll see how that works out.

I have a few comments:
1. There appears to be more than 10,000 members in this group.
2. I personally benefit big-time from this group. More so than practically any other forum I'm in!
3. I feel that the co-owners SHOULD NOT PAY ANYTHING for running this group and plan to donate.
4. IF ONLY 10% of the members make a donation of one dollar US, that would be enough money to cover almost 5 years of forum fees.
5. Donating $1 US every 4 or 5 years represents a fantastic bargain for the incredible benefits of this wonderful forum.
6. I feel that this little product has been one of the biggest and most affordable benefits to the radio community in a very long time. It deserves an award or something. I can't praise it enough.
7. I have been able to get 19 friends to purchase and learn to use the nanoVNA since i first saw one in December 2019. Everyone loves analyzing everything! Me too...


QUESTIONS for the Co-Owners:
1. Does GroupsIO offer multi-year discounts? Some outfits let one save money if buying a 2 or 3 or 5-year block for example.
2. If there is a bulk discount, can you specify what options y'all have to choose from?
3. Can y'all start a topic or is there a way to vote by the members on which bulk discount they would like to see the Co-Owners choose (to help them decide to donate)?
4. As a member, I would like to see this forum continue for quite some time. Are there ways we members could help out the Co-Owners besides donations? Sort of let us earn our keep with support.

I have written lots of software in the past and know it takes time and is a labor of love.
Could the Co-Owners host a donation program that pays something to the firmware and software developers. A sort of bonus program for keeping their work moving forward for the benefit of all of us users?

Could the Co-Owners arrange for some type of once-a-month or once-a-quarter video-conference with a user or developer, primarily for training, so we could talk with live people (rather than u-tube) with often-never-answered questions in a list below the video?

Could the Co-Owners arrange for a "super booth" at some hamfests for developers and vendors to expand the userbase, generate sales, host a training session, etc.

These represent my own opinions and no one else's. I have no affiliation with any vendor, co-owner nor software developer. It is my sincere hope that no one finds the content of this post inappropriate nor offensive. My opinions are not intended to influence any purchasing decisions by any other persion. These opinions of my own are not to be construed as any technical analysis or recommendation of this product over any other.

I plan to donate after the Co-Owner(s) reply to the questions above. I hope many others will donate as well, for the benefit of everyone in the forum.
Scott
AD5U

All,

The annual payment of $220 for this group is due on January 18th. Last
year, the co-owners split the fee in half and paid it. This year we are
asking for donations from one or more group members.

I can think of two ways for group members to donate.

1. Send donations directly to one of the co-owners (probably me) and
when sufficient funds have been collected the co-owner would make the
payment to groups.io.

2. Use the groups.io "Donation" facility and ask members to donate
directly.

I have some open questions about the groups.io donation feature and have
asked them. Also, there are aspects of the Donation facility which I do
not like, from privacy and financial account security standpoints.

With respect to the first method listed above, I would be willing to
collect donations paid directly to me using PayPal "Friends and Family"
up to the $220 and make the payment directly to groups.io. Apart from
collecting donations from members, this is what I did last year. If for
some reason I were to receive excess funds, the excess would be returned
on a LIFO basis.

In any case, we, collectively as a group, will need to come up with the
$220. At present, if there are any members who would like to pledge a
donation, please send an email to the group owners with the amount that
you are willing to pledge. This would allow me to do a bit of planning
numbers-wise. As I do not want to lower the S/N ratio of the technical
content of the posts, please send any pledges to the owners at
[email protected].

Happy New Year, and thank you from the group owners.

DaveD


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