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MEASUREMENTS EXPORT FROM NANOVNA V2 (SAA2)
It seems that the last Sw QT_Windows Release doesn't support Touchstone or xls measurement files export. This is a great drawback.
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Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
Well, who is Christopher Schwartz? Is he on this list?
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My initial reaction is that it (the ebook) is a plagiarism of the information on our Wiki and should thus be didallowed. Does anyone on this list want to own up to publishing this? Please PM me if so. DaveD On Aug 9, 2020, at 06:25, Oristo <ormpoa@...> wrote:
Guide to the NanoVNA - Kindle Edition $2.99 @ AmazonIs this being updated? Should it be delisted? |
Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
Hi Jerry -
There are several other tutorials in there now that should be worth investigating.Those suggestions have merit. Here are some considerations: * works here are by volunteers - most submit their own work, rather than collaborate to make one better, much less authoritative. (However, a recently cited "firmware for idiots" link is to GitHub, which supports such collaborations, AKA "pull requests"..) - external references may move or disappear at providers' whim (e.g. Google Sites is currently forcing a migration that may disappear some) * while I at least skim material for validity before adding Wiki links, my perspective and VNA workflows are idiosyncratic, so inappropriate for rating or ranking introductory guides. I assume most of them are aimed at the nanoVNA-H and friends.My perspective is that >>this group<< is for NanoVNA-H, NanoVNA-H4, Hugen's first-generation NanoVNA and early clones. At least, my references to other VNAs in Wiki are intended to simply help distinguish among those "supported" and others that trade on that name by edy555. Other VNAs have (or at least should have) other support/affinity groups... The new wealth of variants may require a reorganization of the wiki.I can imagine NOBODY motivated to manage consolidated introductory information for incompatible platforms which essentially share just nominal function and partial names promulgated by a dynamic cast of characters. Perhaps a Main Wiki page could simply identify and group supported vs unsupported VNAs, then a second page could enumerate only most popular (by vote?) tutorial and introductory content for supported models a third page of alternative user guides for supported models, another page pointing elsewhere for other VNAs and related devices, then remaining pages (as now) for mods, application notes, etc. Hopefully the standalone menu structure is at least somewhat similar on all ofI can only attest to menu structures for nanoVNA firmware menus mapped up to December 2019. However, since Microsoft broke IBM's paradigm of extensively validated backward compatibility in mid 1980s by moving fast and breaking things, programmers often arbitrarily rearrange and rename functions, baffling existing users. Bill Gates called that "embrace and extend".. FWIW, sorting some nanoVNA menu interactions involved reading source code.. FWIW, at least Larry and I have corrected wrong or unclear Wiki entries.As Oristo mentioned, there is nothing stopping ANY forum member fromThat's good and bad. Groups.io Wiki includes a version comparison facility for managing changes. Somebody who thinks the code atSo far as I know, no true edy555 kit is generally available; whether current edy555 firmware works on his original design is unknown to me. |
Re: Understand how NanoVNA work, NanoVNA as SA
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Dear Shirley,
Thankyou, I have been very busy and displaced from my electronics den for a year, but it is nice to know that what I saw using rtlsdr recievers was actually genuine narrowband signals. My search for such a facility can therefore end. Its only disadvantage is the pc attached to the sdr dongle and the lack of reliable amplitude calibration. I am still waiting for Tinysa to arrive and looking forward to using it, especially for tracing hf interference which I suspect is caused by the data ( internet, tv channels etc) down the telephone wires. The days of my HP and other boatanchor equipment are now diminishing. Steve L. G7PSZ |
Re: Understand how NanoVNA work, NanoVNA as SA
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On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 04:29 PM, Jim Lux wrote:
How does the tinySA compare to these requirements? -- NanoVNA Wiki: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/home NanoVNA Files: /g/nanovna-users/files Erik, PD0EK |
Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
Excellent, thank you!
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Jerry, KE7ER On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 09:45 PM, DiSlord wrote:
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Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 07:17 PM, Larry Rothman wrote:
Last Edy555 code v0.8 Hugen use v0.6 add some mods and this all. In all cases v0.8 from edy555 better (added a lot of fixes from v0.6) This all for NanoVNA or NanoVNA-H. For H4, only Hugen provide firmware (it also based on v0.6) PS just for info You can found on forum my firmwares for H and H4 v0.9.3.4 vs SD card support /g/nanovna-users/topic/nanovna_firmvare_compiled_by/73181877 And no SD card last stable 0.8.4.5 /g/nanovna-users/message/13054 |
Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
Larry,
From the wiki homepage, I can click on "Documentation", then "Tutorials", at which point I see: ###################################### nanoVNA User Guide 2019-07-11 (PDF) (original guide by hugen) Cho45's NanoVNA User Guide (PDF formatted for printing - updated monthly) Another great user guide written by Gyula Molna Webpage is in Hungarian but has a built-in translation feature at the top of the page. Calibration steps, briefly (or, refer to other user guides here) Firmware Help from theory to practice! - Luc ON7DQ V2.01 February 2020 UBA Section OST presentation Getting Started by Gunthard-Kraus, DG8GB Forum thread discussing the User Guide Updated English & German User Guides (PDF) Getting Started with NanoVNA (Aug 31, 2019) by HexAndFlex Setup and Calibration Configuring Traces, Channels and Formats VNA Saver ¨C PC Software Guide to the NanoVNA - Kindle Edition $2.99 @ Amazon NanoVNA Introduction PowerPoint PDF by Doug Hart, AA3S Rudolf Reuter's user guide - very good practical examples Touchscreen menu interactive map diagram for original firmware for Sep - Oct 17 firmware for recent firmware NanoVNA-H4 PDF by ON7BA 27 Feb 2020 Touch Screen Calibration procedure Tips for New Users (Oct 9, 2019 PDF) by mike watts USB Shell Commands better: PDF formatted for printing VNA Tutorial - MegiQ videos (3 parts) ###################################### That's a bit overwhelming for a new user wanting to measure the SWR of an antenna. I doubt any of it would be comprehensible to somebody who didn't yet know what a complex impedance is. I first tried Hugen's guide and cho45's guide when I got my nanoVNA. Neither one got me very far. I simply couldn't figure out the standalone GUI. Yes, HexAndFlex is in there, good. That's what got me going. But that would be awfully hard for a new user to stumble upon in the wiki. Gunthard-Kraus's "Getting Started" is also listed, went up long after I got my nanoVNA. Looks like it has a lot of good information, I intend to check it out thoroughly. But not exactly a "quick start". There are several other tutorials in there now that should be worth investigating. But really, it is simply overwhelming. Perhaps we could create a guide to the user guides? Or perhaps settle on one good beginner's guide, put it at the top of the wiki? I assume most of them are aimed at the nanoVNA-H and friends. The new wealth of variants may require a reorganization of the wiki. Hopefully the standalone menu structure is at least somewhat similar on all of them, but that seems doubtful. As Oristo mentioned, there is nothing stopping ANY forum member from making edits to the Wiki page.That's good and bad. You might have somebody like me whacking at it. Somebody who thinks the code at is only suitable for the edy555 kit. I have personally used the groups.io search function to find information inI can generally be successful searching for stuff here. But reading the forum posts and wiki contents can be a challenge if you haven't been following the discussion for a few months. Even if you sort of know what you are doing. Jerry, KE7ER On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Larry Rothman wrote:
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Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
On 8/8/20 7:11 PM, Larry Rothman wrote:
Jerry,to be honest, most search functions sprinkled here and there across the internet are just plain horrible. And while reading a search tips can help, one doesn't really want to search each website or wiki in its own special way. So that's why users don't/won't read it - I have personally used the groups.io search function to find information in our forum and it works quite well as long as use it properly, hence the quick tips doc.Yes, but see above - that's reminiscent of the iPhone 4 - you're holding it wrong, if you short the antenna feedpoint with your hand. This is NOT to say that the tips aren't valid (they are) or that they don't work (they do) - it's just that user behavior has been conditioned that search functions are horrible, and search tips are either horrible or so peculiar to that particular website that it's not worth even looking. My curse is on lameness of inter/intranet sites in general. And, by this, I include the intranet search where I work. - Searching for, say, LNA (something we do work with) will turn up EVERY document that has that in it, including "Purchase order tracking list May 2009" where some poor soul ordered an LNA. (as well as June, July, August, and then the Received orders list, and then probably, a bunch of "invoices received" documents, and on and on. So users are justifiably leery of "search the archives" It is MUCH better to provide roadmaps built into the wiki content (but that is significantly more difficult, and is all about "curation" - a thankless task, but valuable). One of the virtues of the web (or a Wiki) is that it doesn't force a single "view" of navigation. As Oristo mentioned, there is nothing stopping ANY forum member from making edits to the Wiki page. I have mentioned this many times but no one wants to other than a couple of us early members.Again, you're fighting against an internet phenomenon.. a) there's a bit of imposter syndrome - an individual thinks "I'm not worthy" to contribute and is shy about leaping in. (the same thing happens with git repos, by the way) b) there are trolls and evil people who beat up on people making changes in pages they consider special or their own property. (Wikipedia has this phenomenon...) Someone who dips a toe in, and then gets flamed because they didn't use exactly the right form, or the description is a bit clunky, or they wore the wrong color socks that day. A few experiences like that and you say "I'm never going to do that again". Again, clearly not the fault here in this forum or wiki, but just how life is. What works? Individual mentoring - (and Larry is doing this a bit with this email) - Encourage someone to contribute, offer to help write the entry, let them enter it, check it, say "well done". And then if something "bad" happens (no matter how many trolls get beaten up by the biggest billy goat, there's an infinity of trolls - measureless to man, to rip off Coleridge), the mentor can stand up for the new contributor. In my experience the best mailing lists and forums are ones where "google is your friend" and you can just google your question with the site:example.com in the search. Google has MUCH better search engines and structuring than anyone is going to implement on their own, or with some commercial product. So? Decide on what you think needs to be changed and how. Then, create a hard copy and transfer to the Wiki via the edit function at the very bottom of the page. Keep it simple and to the point. |
Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
Jerry,
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The original Nanovna from last year and the H version are all essentially identical and can use any Nanovna or Nanovna-H firmware from ttrftech, Hugen or DiSlord.? The H4 has different LCD drivers and memory layout so H4 FW will only run on H4 hardware.? You can't brick the H or H4 and after the first couple of times flashing, it becomes a simple excersise.? ... Larry On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 9:56 PM, Jerry Gaffke via groups.io<jgaffke@...> wrote: Christos, Thanks for that comment. I had seen the trftech firmware, but the photo at the top showing edy555's kit made me think it might not be appropriate for Hugen's version. Looking further, there's this toward the bottom of? ? ? Authorized Distributor? Nooelec? ? Switch Science(ja) NanoVNA-H NanoVNA-H4 ? Credit? @edy555 ? Contributors? @hugen79? @cho45? @DiSlord Following the distributor links, it appears to be Hugen's adjustment to the design, including the -H4. I had thought the nanoVNA-H4 took slightly different firmware to deal with the larger display, is that not the case? Good to see Hugen, cho45 and DiSlord all listed as contributors. Questions: 1)? What differences to expect between this code:? and Hugen's code:? ? 2):? What different flavors of hardware can the above firmware choices work on? Well, I guess I'll just try burning in the ttrftech code that Christos pointed me to. At worst, I get a $50 education in what not to do. Jerry, KE7ER On Sat, Aug? 8, 2020 at 04:22 PM, Christos SV1EIA wrote:
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Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
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There are links to at least 2 quick start guides in the user guide section of the Wiki, written by forum members.? ?? One of the problems is users sometimes just want answers without the footwork. I created a forum search tips document that is the very first item in the Wiki, but many users don't (won't?) read it.? ? I have personally used the groups.io search function to find information in our forum and it works quite well as long as use it properly, hence the quick tips doc.? As Oristo mentioned, there is nothing stopping ANY forum member from making edits to the Wiki page. I have mentioned this many times but no one wants to other than a couple of us early members.? So? Decide on what you think needs to be changed and how. Then, create a hard copy and transfer to the Wiki via the edit function at the very bottom of the page. Keep it simple and to the point.? ... Larry On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 8:25 PM, Jerry Gaffke via groups.io<jgaffke@...> wrote: Thanks for the response. A few more comments: Not sure what part of that nanoVNA-Q discussion wants adding to the Wiki,Maybe this part, with appropriate editing and updating: I've had my head in the sand for a year, no idea what's going on these days. ###################################### hwalker12/04/19? #7822? ? ? On Wed, Dec? 4, 2019 at 06:47 AM, Larry Rothman wrote: The H version has slight hardware mods but both versions are essentially identical (except some clones are crap). Slight mods include better RF shields, onboard v+ filtering, fixed USB-C interface resistors.? Nothing spectacular. ================================================================================== The NanoVNA-H version also comes in an ABS plastic case that you would have to pay about an additional USA $10 for as an add-on to the Nano-VNA.? It has the diode already installed for utilizing the battery voltage icon.? The firmware is 0.2.3.2 which is already updated to extend operation to 1500 MHz ######################################## .. so, it should be deleted or pruned, to avoid wasting folks' time?I'm not advocating the dumbing down of the wiki, but it should be organized into something that's vaguely comprehensible for a beginner. Perhaps there should be a quick-start guide for new owners. And given all the hardware choices out there these days, there should be a comprehensive description of each, specs, differences, firmware suggestions, suitable host software, ... The problem is, those in the forum who know these things have no interest in updating the wiki, they have moved on to more interesting stuff. And certainly no interest in making it understandable to the beginner. Jerry, KE7ER On Sat, Aug? 8, 2020 at 01:29 PM, Oristo wrote:
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Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
Christos,
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Thanks for that comment. I had seen the trftech firmware, but the photo at the top showing edy555's kit made me think it might not be appropriate for Hugen's version. Looking further, there's this toward the bottom of Authorized Distributor Nooelec Switch Science(ja) NanoVNA-H NanoVNA-H4 Credit @edy555 Contributors @hugen79 @cho45 @DiSlord Following the distributor links, it appears to be Hugen's adjustment to the design, including the -H4. I had thought the nanoVNA-H4 took slightly different firmware to deal with the larger display, is that not the case? Good to see Hugen, cho45 and DiSlord all listed as contributors. Questions: 1) What differences to expect between this code: and Hugen's code: 2): What different flavors of hardware can the above firmware choices work on? Well, I guess I'll just try burning in the ttrftech code that Christos pointed me to. At worst, I get a $50 education in what not to do. Jerry, KE7ER On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 04:22 PM, Christos SV1EIA wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, I think that the best and most recent firmware for the -H |
Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
Thanks for the response.
A few more comments: Not sure what part of that nanoVNA-Q discussion wants adding to the Wiki,Maybe this part, with appropriate editing and updating: I've had my head in the sand for a year, no idea what's going on these days. ###################################### hwalker12/04/19 #7822 On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 06:47 AM, Larry Rothman wrote: The H version has slight hardware mods but both versions are essentially identical (except some clones are crap). Slight mods include better RF shields, onboard v+ filtering, fixed USB-C interface resistors. Nothing spectacular. ================================================================================== The NanoVNA-H version also comes in an ABS plastic case that you would have to pay about an additional USA $10 for as an add-on to the Nano-VNA. It has the diode already installed for utilizing the battery voltage icon. The firmware is 0.2.3.2 which is already updated to extend operation to 1500 MHz ######################################## .. so, it should be deleted or pruned, to avoid wasting folks' time?I'm not advocating the dumbing down of the wiki, but it should be organized into something that's vaguely comprehensible for a beginner. Perhaps there should be a quick-start guide for new owners. And given all the hardware choices out there these days, there should be a comprehensive description of each, specs, differences, firmware suggestions, suitable host software, ... The problem is, those in the forum who know these things have no interest in updating the wiki, they have moved on to more interesting stuff. And certainly no interest in making it understandable to the beginner. Jerry, KE7ER On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 01:29 PM, Oristo wrote:
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Re: Coax measurement
there is a link to a ¡°nanovna firmware guide for idiots¡± Which I followed step by step.Thanks for the pointer and testimonial; added to Wiki /g/nanovna-users/wiki/Home#Help |
Re: Understand how NanoVNA work, NanoVNA as SA
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On 8/8/20 11:16 AM, Shirley Dulcey KE1L wrote:
If you're looking for an inexpensive wideband spectrum analyzer, thegenerally true - I find my RTL-SDR a pretty handy little widget. And, I've done a LOT of work in the last few years with 4GHz SignalHound. However, there are times when the $20k Keysight FieldFox is the thing to have. what inexpensive(<$100) analyzers don't give you: 1) front end tracking filter and good image rejection 2) front end attenuator with a fair number of steps (helpful to know if you're seeing IMD in the analyzers front end, among other things) 3) stability over time What medium priced USB analyzers ($1000-2000) give you: filters, attenuators, wide bandwidth (DC-12 GHz) Most of those mid priced Spectrum Analyzers are basically a specialized SDR - a tunable down converter/digitizer with attenuators and filters, and some software on the back end to do all the features. Generally better stability and aging, too. One other thing that "real lab gear" gives you is a lack of radiated emissions. The USRP, for instance, is a very popular device, but also radiates a significant amount of the Local Oscillator from the input cards. So that requires some care to "do it right" rather just slapping together some gnuradio blocks. |
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Bob,
I have the same issue, no transform button. I took the leap today and upgraded my nanovna of unknown pedigree. I used this as a tutorial. In the first sentence, there is a link to a ¡°nanovna firmware guide for idiots¡± Which I followed step by step. It took me about 20 minutes to read thru the guide once and then a second time when I actually executed the steps. It worked the first shot for me And I now have the new features. Dallas, N5fee |
Re: Firmware choices, wiki is awfully confusing
H Jerry -
Thanks for taking time to provide actionable feedback. As it happens, I mostly stopped making Wiki updates when I stopped downloading firmware updates. Unless you already know pretty much everything, the forum wiki.. so, it should be deleted or pruned, to avoid wasting folks' time? For example, exactly what are the differences between the edy555 nanoVNA,Owning only an early worst clone, >>I<< am not in a position to make definitive comparisons, beyond /g/nanovna-users/wiki#Hardware-versions Here's a start, the wiki should have this and much more:Not sure what part of that nanoVNA-Q discussion wants adding to the Wiki, but you are more than welcome to edit the Wiki, based on your experience. Wiki also needs information for the new user who has just unboxed a nanoVNA.My efforts, at least, were not intended to replace work such as that at hexandflex.com, which are in fact linked in the Wiki under User Guides. Again, if updates are wanted based on your experience, please feel free. I think that every group member has edit permission. Here's a very old thread, at least some of which had to do with creatingDespite being implicated in that thread, I am unsure how to refactor it to a new user tutorial that would be an improvement over those listed in User Guides: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/12475 and Application Notes: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/13116 Lots of current discussion in the forum about the highly regardedOnly my opinion, but without access to source code and structured testing of those beta firmwares, I do not recommend them for new users unless they provide some needed function[s] unavailable from Hugen and edy555 releases. |
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