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Re: External Down/Up converters for NanoVNA/2/SDR

 

Gus,
Yes, it works, and phase is preserved if you use the same source for both the mix up and the mix down.
I tried a quick test with a NanoVNA-V2 and a couple of ZFM-4300 mixers. The NanoVNA-V2 swept 100 MHz to 900 MHz, and a 1 GHz LO mixed up and down to create a sweep from 1100 MHz to 1900 MHz. A tunable band pass filter responded as expected in that range, and the phase through the filter was stable. There was 12 dB or so of added loss from the mixers,
The biggest spurious responses were from the images, of course, with some minor responses due to limited RF-IF rejection of the mixers. You would want some filtering to limit the signals to your band of interest.
(I chose the frequencies to match the items I had on hand, but it should all scale up to 5 GHz)

--John Gord

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 03:46 PM, Gus Osborne wrote:


Hello all,

Think this is my first OP here - have a couple questions/thoughts I¡¯d like
to run by the group.

I¡¯ve ordered a couple of the SUP2400 satellite upconverters, with the
intention of modifying one to act as a 2.4Ghz down converter, like here:


I know this should work for my RX only SDR purposes (possibly even TX with
BladeRF) - but was also wondering about the feasibility of connecting one of
these modified ¡°downconverters¡± to CH1 on the S-A-A-2 (using an external
antenna and possibly some preamplification) in order to reach the 5.8Ghz band
for a ¡°poor mans¡± spectrum analysis tool. The primary use would be for
conducting quick and dirty site surveys.

My other thought, possibly even stranger - was using one in its default
configuration on CH0 to upconvert the tracking gen signal by 2.4Ghz (through a
DUT/bridge), then using the modified downconverter to receive output on CH1
for typical analysis. I¡¯m sure all bets would be off when it comes to phase
and possibly impedance.

Does anyone see an obvious reason this shouldn¡¯t work for simple purposes? I
understand it won¡¯t work nearly as well as a purpose built device; but will
it work? I¡¯m hoping the SAA2¡¯s usable 3.5Ghz + a 2.4Ghz conversion will
put me right were I need to be, for (somewhat crude) 5.2-5.8Ghz analysis.
Thoughts..?


Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

 

R&L is where I got mine as well. I believe they are reselling the NanoVNA-H
and NanoVNA-H4 from Hugen; they come in the gift boxes. It's about the same
price as ordering a single unit delivered from China and you get it faster.
Presumably R&L is making its money by ordering 100 at a time and reselling
single units -- which is exactly what a dealer DOES so I'm fine with that.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:39 AM W2DWL <w2dwl@...> wrote:

I got mine from R&L Electronics, and had it in 4 days.Sent via the Samsung
Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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on Ebay. Genuine article in Gold lettered box. Received it in 4 days. No
problems what-so-ever.



Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

W2DWL
 

I got mine from R&L Electronics, and had it in 4 days.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

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Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

 

How much did you pay for it?

WO4ROB
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Clif Holland <clif@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:24:29 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [nanovna-users] Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

I bought a NanaVNA-H4 from outstandingdeal on Ebay. Genuine article in Gold lettered box. Received it in 4 days. No problems what-so-ever.


Re: External Down/Up converters for NanoVNA/2/SDR

 

I don't know of any reason why you couldn't do that. Might take a little tweaking and fooling with, but that shouldn't stop you. Go for it. Let us know how it works out.


Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

 

I definitely see pinned topics in other groups - perhaps a recently added feature?


External Down/Up converters for NanoVNA/2/SDR

 

Hello all,

Think this is my first OP here - have a couple questions/thoughts I¡¯d like to run by the group.

I¡¯ve ordered a couple of the SUP2400 satellite upconverters, with the intention of modifying one to act as a 2.4Ghz down converter, like here:

I know this should work for my RX only SDR purposes (possibly even TX with BladeRF) - but was also wondering about the feasibility of connecting one of these modified ¡°downconverters¡± to CH1 on the S-A-A-2 (using an external antenna and possibly some preamplification) in order to reach the 5.8Ghz band for a ¡°poor mans¡± spectrum analysis tool. The primary use would be for conducting quick and dirty site surveys.

My other thought, possibly even stranger - was using one in its default configuration on CH0 to upconvert the tracking gen signal by 2.4Ghz (through a DUT/bridge), then using the modified downconverter to receive output on CH1 for typical analysis. I¡¯m sure all bets would be off when it comes to phase and possibly impedance.

Does anyone see an obvious reason this shouldn¡¯t work for simple purposes? I understand it won¡¯t work nearly as well as a purpose built device; but will it work? I¡¯m hoping the SAA2¡¯s usable 3.5Ghz + a 2.4Ghz conversion will put me right were I need to be, for (somewhat crude) 5.2-5.8Ghz analysis. Thoughts..?


Re: Different NanoVNA models

 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 07:01 AM, <namerati@...> wrote:

Thanks. It's rather annoying that I have to log in to access it.
Many groups are closed and you have to login to read any of the messages. This group lets you read messages and if you are interested you can join and perhaps contribute to the group. Considering all the work that went into the Wiki I don't think it is asking too much to join and login to view it...

Roger


Re: Pro or Con

 

I use a cardboard box large enough to get my head into. It blocks the
sunlight enough to be able to read and operate the Nano.

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:07 PM DougVL <K8RFTradio@...> wrote:

Great thread!
I have an MFJ-207, an MFJ-259(no letter), a Mini60 bluetooth, and an early
NanoVNA (received in October, 2019).
The NanoVNA is great indoors, especially used with a PC or android. But
it's nearly impossible for me to see and read it outdoors, at my antenna
location. I hope very much to get the NanoVNA-F, but with so many other
instruments already on hand, the priority is a bit low.

For new users trying to choose between an "analyzer" and a NanoVNA, I'd
say that the Nano is cheap enough that you should get both! If you decide
you don't like one, it shouldn't be hard at all to resell it, maybe on eBay
or the QTH.com classifieds.

Doug, K8RFT




Re: Pro or Con

 

Hi,

Mine has the Smith Chart. I am not yet proficient with that tool but I have burrowed into the how-tos and tutorials. Until now I had only some vague notions. The fog is starting to clear. It has already helped me improve my station.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 5/14/20 3:44 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
A bit more expensive and does not have all the plotting capabilities (Smith
Chart) of the NANO's, but can be used in daylight and with a hand shield,
in the sunlight.
Accuracy Agility Instrument (AAI) Model N2061SA
--
bark less - wag more


Re: Pro or Con

 

A bit more expensive and does not have all the plotting capabilities (Smith
Chart) of the NANO's, but can be used in daylight and with a hand shield,
in the sunlight.

Accuracy Agility Instrument (AAI) Model N2061SA

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Oristo <ormpoa@...> wrote:

The NanoVNA is great indoors, especially used with a PC or android.
But it's nearly impossible for me to see and read it outdoors, at my
antenna location.

An LCD viewfinder works:



--
*Dave - W?LEV*
*Just Let Darwin Work*


Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

 

I bought a NanaVNA-H4 Ver 3.4. Purchased from outstandingdeal on Ebay. Genuine article in Gold lettered box. Received it in 4 days. No problems what-so-ever.


Re: Pro or Con

 

The NanoVNA is great indoors, especially used with a PC or android.
But it's nearly impossible for me to see and read it outdoors, at my antenna location.
An LCD viewfinder works:


Re: Pro or Con

 

Great thread!
I have an MFJ-207, an MFJ-259(no letter), a Mini60 bluetooth, and an early NanoVNA (received in October, 2019).
The NanoVNA is great indoors, especially used with a PC or android. But it's nearly impossible for me to see and read it outdoors, at my antenna location. I hope very much to get the NanoVNA-F, but with so many other instruments already on hand, the priority is a bit low.

For new users trying to choose between an "analyzer" and a NanoVNA, I'd say that the Nano is cheap enough that you should get both! If you decide you don't like one, it shouldn't be hard at all to resell it, maybe on eBay or the QTH.com classifieds.

Doug, K8RFT


Re: Different NanoVNA models

 

Thanks. It's rather annoying that I have to log in to access it.

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:06:56AM +0000, Larry Rothman wrote:
Please refer to the forum WIKI (link at bottom of every emailed message)


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 6:40:31 a.m. GMT-4, namerati@... <namerati@...> wrote:

Is there web page with a summary of the differences between the different NanoVNA
models?







Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

 

Rich,
Unfortunately, pinning is not supported in groups.io.
That is why the forum owners added links to the WIKI and FILES sections at the end of every emailed post in addition to a HUGE RED ARROW on the homepage that both tells people and points to, the sidebar where the WIKI, FILES and other forum links are.
Sadly, it appears many new Nanovna owners aren't looking in those areas themselves and just want instant answers without any of the footwork.

The biggest issue with an instrument like the 'nano is its calibration - it MUST be calibrated when you 1st receive it and device owners are not aware of that.
The next largest issue is familarisation of the device - New owners MUST? R.E.A.D? at least one of the User Guides mentioned in the forum - and watch several YouTube videos on how to use the nanovna.

Finally, a simple set of tests (open, short, load) can be performed to verify the device is operational at minimum.
There have been a few forum members who have written short essays/instructions on what I've mentioned here - but Newbies need to browse the WIKI, FILES and Message areas.
Cheers,Larry

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 7:07:55 a.m. GMT-4, Rich NE1EE <ne1ee@...> wrote:

I see the point. Thanks for the reply. I see a lot of thread hijacking, which is why I asked. I think that there are --- and have been for 40 years --- common sense guidelines for managing forum threads and emails. Mostly ignored these days, making it very difficult to find our way around. It is difficult for the newbie to find needed info in the fog of thread confusion. To make matters worse, there are now several hardware, firmware, and software branches.

And to make matters worse, there is so much turmoil in the supply chain these days...more confusion. I'd like to buy one of the newer devices (I was an early adopter, and would now like to upgrade), but I find it difficult to see the trees for the forest. Despite being an early adopter, I am not qualified to write a set of reasonable tests and results...I am a software and hardware engineer, but there is much to do with the nanoVNAs that I have not kept up with...partly because it is difficult to do so.

Perhaps there ought to be a pinned thread that covers you question...it certainly has been addressed in so many posts. But those posts are difficult to find, because the subject lines often don't relate. I'd love to see such a thread addressing each device and how to "acceptance test" it, and then, just as you say, we would be able to post the names of vendors, what was supplied, and the results of testing....as well as updates months later...are we content or not, and why.

On 2020-05-13 18:03:-0700, you wrote:

Hi, Rich,

I thought my post was relevant to the? thread .. in that it's hard for newbies to know if we have one of the better/worse nanoVNA's sold on "Amazon" or Aliexpress for instance.

It seems people like me find it difficult to know which buyer to go to, and without knowledgeable feedback like "The device failed xxx test"? - on aliexpress everyone posts 5 starts - which helps nobody.

I didn't find the suggestion below "I would strongly advise purchasing for Hugen's site:" before i bought mine ;(

Danke.


--
73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua


replying to a thread versus starting a new thread

 

It is tempting to hit reply to an existing email or thread post, change the subject, and send it off.
Unfortunately, the headers in most instances contain thread information, so the reply may still be misplaced into other threads.

Please start a new email with a new subject. All you need online is to start a "new post", and if you are using email, as I am, then simply start a new email. The only thing you need that is extra, when compared to a reply, is to insert the To field. I just copy that from an existing email in the same forum, and paste to the To field, add a subject and hash tags, and off I go.



--
73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua


Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

 

Matt,

Print off a copy of the User Guide /g/nanovna-users/files/NanoVNA-User-Guide-English-reformat-Jan-15-20.pdf

It's a good starting point for the basics.

There are a number of User Guides referenced in the WIKI and forum messages with a lot of practical information as well.

A VNA is not a Plug&Play device so you've got some reading to do in order to become adept at using it and updating the firmware in it.

Refer to the WIKI - lots of good info there.


Re: Different NanoVNA models

 

Please refer to the forum WIKI (link at bottom of every emailed message)

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 6:40:31 a.m. GMT-4, namerati@... <namerati@...> wrote:

Is there web page with a summary of the differences between the different NanoVNA
models?


Re: Are any of the NanoVNA sold on Amazon any better or worse than any others? Is there a better U.S. site to order from?

 

I see the point. Thanks for the reply. I see a lot of thread hijacking, which is why I asked. I think that there are --- and have been for 40 years --- common sense guidelines for managing forum threads and emails. Mostly ignored these days, making it very difficult to find our way around. It is difficult for the newbie to find needed info in the fog of thread confusion. To make matters worse, there are now several hardware, firmware, and software branches.

And to make matters worse, there is so much turmoil in the supply chain these days...more confusion. I'd like to buy one of the newer devices (I was an early adopter, and would now like to upgrade), but I find it difficult to see the trees for the forest. Despite being an early adopter, I am not qualified to write a set of reasonable tests and results...I am a software and hardware engineer, but there is much to do with the nanoVNAs that I have not kept up with...partly because it is difficult to do so.

Perhaps there ought to be a pinned thread that covers you question...it certainly has been addressed in so many posts. But those posts are difficult to find, because the subject lines often don't relate. I'd love to see such a thread addressing each device and how to "acceptance test" it, and then, just as you say, we would be able to post the names of vendors, what was supplied, and the results of testing....as well as updates months later...are we content or not, and why.

On 2020-05-13 18:03:-0700, you wrote:

Hi, Rich,

I thought my post was relevant to the thread .. in that it's hard for newbies to know if we have one of the better/worse nanoVNA's sold on "Amazon" or Aliexpress for instance.

It seems people like me find it difficult to know which buyer to go to, and without knowledgeable feedback like "The device failed xxx test" - on aliexpress everyone posts 5 starts - which helps nobody.

I didn't find the suggestion below "I would strongly advise purchasing for Hugen's site:" before i bought mine ;(

Danke.
--
73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua