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Session without a host - Re: [m-virtualmeetinghosts]


 

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Thanks for sharing!!

Another thing: in the beginning after defining a session for someone I started and joined the meeting, handed over host or co-host and left again.

Nowadays I just define the session (and share the details) but do not join anymore myself. This needs the setting of 'allow others to join before the host' or something. But it turns out a big reduction of work load whenever a host assigning is not needed (not needed for letting people in, so no waiting room & allowing people to join before host & no need for advanced controls the host should use like muting all).

Secondly I noticed people would start a session outside the defined times. I think it was always in a repeating sequence where the setting was 'allow people to join before host'. Most likely zoom allows people to join a day before even..... I was a bit surprised to find out (email alerts). Any confirmation on this is welcome.

So..perhaps also useable for others.

With best regards

Henkhenk

On 10-11-2022 04:10, Andrew Aus (Mensa EA RO) wrote:

Hi all,

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I can confirm that John’s test did work. Although I must say, while I was in one of his breakout rooms, his disembodied voice suddenly speaking to us all in the room did feel a little freaky!

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I’m very pleased to see that Zoom is still making positive modifications, and that we’re letting each other know about them.

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Best wishes,

Andrew.

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Andrew Aus

Mensa East Anglia Regional Officer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Butler via groups.io
Sent: 08 November 2022 09:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: [m-virtualmeetinghosts] New features for communication with those in breakout rooms.

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Hi folks,

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The latest version of Zoom has improved how the host can communicate with members in breakout rooms (at long last!!!). The host can now:

?- broadcast a message to people in the rooms

?- share a screen with people in the rooms, and

?- speak to everyone in the rooms (by holding down the "B" key - tested successfully yesterday!)

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More details at??

Best wishes,

John

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'Henkhenk', you are correct that if you set up a meeting with "Allow participants to join at any time" those participants can join before the host. It has happened to us more than once when the "daylight saving" clock changes have caused confusion for visiting Zoomers from other countries!

It is certainly possible to set up a meeting in that way and have it running without a host (we tested that when we first started meeting on Zoom). But then there is no-one present who would be able to sort out any problems. No-one to remove unwanted participants or mute those with uncontrolled background noise, etc.?

As I understand it, British Mensa does not allow anyone to set up and advertise a (physical) meeting where there isn't a named host, and I believe this rule was introduced or emphasised after a previous Regional Organiser set up several such meetings on a "turn up and find each other" basis.? I see no reason why the same rule shouldn't apply to on-line meetings as well.

Cheers,
John


On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 22:18:20 GMT, Henkhenk <mailbox@...> wrote:


Thanks for sharing!!

Another thing: in the beginning after defining a session for someone I started and joined the meeting, handed over host or co-host and left again.

Nowadays I just define the session (and share the details) but do not join anymore myself. This needs the setting of 'allow others to join before the host' or something. But it turns out a big reduction of work load whenever a host assigning is not needed (not needed for letting people in, so no waiting room & allowing people to join before host & no need for advanced controls the host should use like muting all).

Secondly I noticed people would start a session outside the defined times. I think it was always in a repeating sequence where the setting was 'allow people to join before host'. Most likely zoom allows people to join a day before even..... I was a bit surprised to find out (email alerts). Any confirmation on this is welcome.

So..perhaps also useable for others.

With best regards

Henkhenk


 

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Hi John

Thanks for your thoughts on this. In NL we do not have such a rule: if the Regional Organiser ('regionair', or Loc.Sec.) cannot be there, the event will continue. If priorly it is known the organizer won't be there he/she most of times will ask one of the regulars to play the role (mainly to get the silent ones also some space to talk and participate).

Since we have 2-5 Zoom sessions a week, being there first, assign someone to be host and leave again, is some time constraint: a deadline you have to meet as creator of the Zoom session. So last weeks I set up recurring Zoom events for two groups, where they could call me as soon something needs attention from me as Zoom-session creator (I am not participating in the meetings, and even in some cases I should not know the contents in principle). Within Mensa NL we have a license for 10 accounts (of each max 300 people) and not every organizer of something online has his own account. People need to email their session wishes to zoom@mensa.... with time, subject and special wishes. This is used for small (3-4) to medium (12-15) groups this way. And sometimes a big group. For official sessions like an AG the managed session is the way to go.

There is also one difference I think: every member of Mensa NL can look up my phone number at home or my mobile. So in case of need they can immediately call me to handle the problem. We do require a password for a Zoom session (for recurring ones the same password), so not much chance of someone not belonging there dropping in.

And... do we know of a possibility to really ban someone from a Zoom session? We can throw someone out, but this person can return on a different device. Only thing keeping such a person out I think would be changing the access password (and inform others) but this can't be done during a running session AFAIK, as long he/she has other devices (or perhaps private tabs in the browser).
(see step 4). Only if you require participants to have a valid (free) account (which we do not do within Mensa NL), a person also would need to create Yet Another Free Account.

with kind regards,

Henkhenk

On 18-11-2022 08:35, John Butler via groups.io wrote:

'Henkhenk', you are correct that if you set up a meeting with "Allow participants to join at any time" those participants can join before the host. It has happened to us more than once when the "daylight saving" clock changes have caused confusion for visiting Zoomers from other countries!

It is certainly possible to set up a meeting in that way and have it running without a host (we tested that when we first started meeting on Zoom). But then there is no-one present who would be able to sort out any problems. No-one to remove unwanted participants or mute those with uncontrolled background noise, etc.?

As I understand it, British Mensa does not allow anyone to set up and advertise a (physical) meeting where there isn't a named host, and I believe this rule was introduced or emphasised after a previous Regional Organiser set up several such meetings on a "turn up and find each other" basis.? I see no reason why the same rule shouldn't apply to on-line meetings as well.

Cheers,
John


On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 22:18:20 GMT, Henkhenk <mailbox@...> wrote:


Thanks for sharing!!

Another thing: in the beginning after defining a session for someone I started and joined the meeting, handed over host or co-host and left again.

Nowadays I just define the session (and share the details) but do not join anymore myself. This needs the setting of 'allow others to join before the host' or something. But it turns out a big reduction of work load whenever a host assigning is not needed (not needed for letting people in, so no waiting room & allowing people to join before host & no need for advanced controls the host should use like muting all).

Secondly I noticed people would start a session outside the defined times. I think it was always in a repeating sequence where the setting was 'allow people to join before host'. Most likely zoom allows people to join a day before even..... I was a bit surprised to find out (email alerts). Any confirmation on this is welcome.

So..perhaps also useable for others.

With best regards

Henkhenk



 

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Well one way, I just thought about, to keep people out after they are kicked, is to lock the session. Of course no one can enter in this case, but it should be sufficient when someone has obtained access and needs to be kicked out and stay out.

To lock your meeting

Step 1. Once in your Zoom meeting, click on Manage Participants.


Step 2. In the lower right-hand corner of the Manage Participant window, click on the button with the 3 dots.

[Figure 1] Screen clipping of the lower right-hand corner of the Zoom Meeting window, with Participant Management panel open and the More drop-down menu activated. The “Lock Meeting” option from the More drop-down menu is selected and highlighted.

Step 3. From the drop-down menu that opens, select Lock Meeting. No participants will be permitted while meeting is locked. You can unlock the meeting by going back into the menu and removing the selection.


with kind regards

Henkhenk

On 20-11-2022 01:03, Henkhenk wrote:

Hi John

Thanks for your thoughts on this. In NL we do not have such a rule: if the Regional Organiser ('regionair', or Loc.Sec.) cannot be there, the event will continue. If priorly it is known the organizer won't be there he/she most of times will ask one of the regulars to play the role (mainly to get the silent ones also some space to talk and participate).

Since we have 2-5 Zoom sessions a week, being there first, assign someone to be host and leave again, is some time constraint: a deadline you have to meet as creator of the Zoom session. So last weeks I set up recurring Zoom events for two groups, where they could call me as soon something needs attention from me as Zoom-session creator (I am not participating in the meetings, and even in some cases I should not know the contents in principle). Within Mensa NL we have a license for 10 accounts (of each max 300 people) and not every organizer of something online has his own account. People need to email their session wishes to zoom@mensa.... with time, subject and special wishes. This is used for small (3-4) to medium (12-15) groups this way. And sometimes a big group. For official sessions like an AG the managed session is the way to go.

There is also one difference I think: every member of Mensa NL can look up my phone number at home or my mobile. So in case of need they can immediately call me to handle the problem. We do require a password for a Zoom session (for recurring ones the same password), so not much chance of someone not belonging there dropping in.

And... do we know of a possibility to really ban someone from a Zoom session? We can throw someone out, but this person can return on a different device. Only thing keeping such a person out I think would be changing the access password (and inform others) but this can't be done during a running session AFAIK, as long he/she has other devices (or perhaps private tabs in the browser).
(see step 4). Only if you require participants to have a valid (free) account (which we do not do within Mensa NL), a person also would need to create Yet Another Free Account.

with kind regards,

Henkhenk

On 18-11-2022 08:35, John Butler via groups.io wrote:
'Henkhenk', you are correct that if you set up a meeting with "Allow participants to join at any time" those participants can join before the host. It has happened to us more than once when the "daylight saving" clock changes have caused confusion for visiting Zoomers from other countries!

It is certainly possible to set up a meeting in that way and have it running without a host (we tested that when we first started meeting on Zoom). But then there is no-one present who would be able to sort out any problems. No-one to remove unwanted participants or mute those with uncontrolled background noise, etc.?

As I understand it, British Mensa does not allow anyone to set up and advertise a (physical) meeting where there isn't a named host, and I believe this rule was introduced or emphasised after a previous Regional Organiser set up several such meetings on a "turn up and find each other" basis.? I see no reason why the same rule shouldn't apply to on-line meetings as well.

Cheers,
John


On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 22:18:20 GMT, Henkhenk <mailbox@...> wrote:


Thanks for sharing!!

Another thing: in the beginning after defining a session for someone I started and joined the meeting, handed over host or co-host and left again.

Nowadays I just define the session (and share the details) but do not join anymore myself. This needs the setting of 'allow others to join before the host' or something. But it turns out a big reduction of work load whenever a host assigning is not needed (not needed for letting people in, so no waiting room & allowing people to join before host & no need for advanced controls the host should use like muting all).

Secondly I noticed people would start a session outside the defined times. I think it was always in a repeating sequence where the setting was 'allow people to join before host'. Most likely zoom allows people to join a day before even..... I was a bit surprised to find out (email alerts). Any confirmation on this is welcome.

So..perhaps also useable for others.

With best regards

Henkhenk