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Re: WhatsApp
开云体育Spookily, just after writing that I'd given up WhatsApp, I was obliged to revive it because of another group I was involved with.? I note that it still makes claims about end to end encryption, which is sort of reassuring. Patrick
On 14/06/2024 14:39, Andrew Aus (Mensa
EA RO) wrote:
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Re: WhatsApp
开云体育We could always try Signal instead – that has full encryption, and isn’t owned by Meta (or anyone else dodgy!). ? Best wishes, Andrew. ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of John Butler via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 7:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [m-virtualmeetinghosts] WhatsApp ? Indeed it might be an interesting exercise, Andrew. However I have never used WhatsApp so personally would not be able to judge it objectively. Given the apparent strength of feeling towards Meta we are unlikely to be able to use it for a meeting. ? It was just an idle thought - I will put it back in its box! ? Thanks and best wishes - and thanks Patrick too for your response. John?? ? On Friday 14 June 2024 at 01:40:04 BST, Andrew Aus (Mensa EA RO) <earo@...> wrote: ? ? I’ve also stopped using WhatsApp since it was taken over by Meta because of privacy concerns, except where I have to. ? It would still be interesting to see whether WhatsApp would be able to handle a multi-person video call over longer time. Shall we test it out? ? ? From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Patrick O'Donohoe via groups.io ? I gave up WhatsApp when it was absorbed by Facebook and lost its privacy.? Now I use signal, but not sure if it's any good for group meetings. Patrick ? On 12/06/2024 08:16, John Butler via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Zoom licences
On 14-06-2024 11:31, John Butler via groups.io wrote:
We have tried Google Meet and Jitsi as alternative hosting services, but have settled on Zoom as being the most suitable. About Jitsi: Free to use software, but you need a server for it. There are free services but there are no performance guarantees then. So I was wondering two years ago: could we set up a dedicated server for all Mensa video-chatting. With perhaps max 2 of 3 sesssions going on at the same time if you look internationally: it would be great to find out the usefulness of this, especially since a lot of people do not want to use Facebook/Whatsapp/Zoom/Google/Webex/Teams/ and the list goes on. Jitsi can provide security and with a well configured server for Jitsi in a quality data center (or someone with a 10Gbit/s data connection) it might be a solution. On the other hand: when paying 1850 euro for a Zoom corporate license which costs can be shared by different Mensas, it might not be worth the trouble (maintenance, monthly costs for a dedicated server in a data center). with best regards Henkhenk |
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Re: Zoom licences
开云体育On 14-06-2024 11:31, John Butler via
groups.io wrote:
I believe that a corporate Zoom account is a very good approach to take (provided it is one which Zoom allow different people to use!).
I believe it does: we have ten account holders, united under one corporate license. With this:
with best regards
Henkhenk Mensa NL |
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Re: Zoom licences
开云体育Hello Ann
Mensa NL has a corporate account, so in
case Mensa British Isles does not really need 10 separate users
(each capable of setting up two concurrent sessions), it might be
wise to see if through cooperation of the various national Mensas
we could save money by combining all in one contract with Zoom.
For instance: if for the UK 5 accounts
(in one total license)would be enough (where you would be capable
of running 12 sessions at the same time), I think such a number is
also the max NL would need. Simply we could split the bill.
NL bought the corporate license (AFAIK)
mainly because of the top-limit of 300 participants at the same
time (webinars have a higher level). For this you need to buy a
corporate license with at least ten accounts.... Now all NL
accounts are divided across various people. I would be surprise if
more than three sessions are used at the same time.
The greater picture would be: to enable
smaller Mensas to borrow (or get) one of those accounts so they
could still have all the benefits of 100+ participants, without
the 1600 pound price tag per year. Perhaps UK and NL could team
up, and perhaps ask other bigger Mensas (D, S, USA?) if they would
like to join, sharing the costs of the license. If more countries
would join the number of accounts must be higher, but costs will
be way lower compared to each Mensa doing its own.
Last week in a comms with Bj?rn I also
relaunched this again with him. I have trying to convince people
it could:
1) save a lot of money
2) create possibilities for smaller
Mensas without the financial possibility to buy such a license
(for some small ones/emerging ones even one normal license of 160
pounds could be a burden).
All we need to do is determine how much
sessions with at most run at the same time (lower limit) and see
how to divide accounts within the license (comfort limit). We have
a pool of Zoom account holders with one central email address
(zoom@...). Whenever someone wants a session he/she sends a
mail to the address with time & date & subject and
receives the link with a message-part to spread to the
participants. Zoom sessions can be planned easily in time, and if
none of my sessions is running I do not need even to manually
start the session (only needed when I need a second session at the
same time).
If you like I can bring you into
contact with the Mensa NL administrator of our Zoom license.
Another option would be to see if Mensa MIL can centrally organise
this (but experience says that it is best to do such things bottom
up).
with best regards
Henkhenk
On 14-06-2024 10:22, Ann Rootkin
(Mensa) wrote:
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Re: WhatsApp
Indeed it might be an interesting exercise, Andrew. However I have never used WhatsApp so personally would not be able to judge it objectively. Given the apparent strength of feeling towards Meta we are unlikely to be able to use it for a meeting. It was just an idle thought - I will put it back in its box! Thanks and best wishes - and thanks Patrick too for your response. John??
On Friday 14 June 2024 at 01:40:04 BST, Andrew Aus (Mensa EA RO) <earo@...> wrote:
I’ve also stopped using WhatsApp since it was taken over by Meta because of privacy concerns, except where I have to. ? It would still be interesting to see whether WhatsApp would be able to handle a multi-person video call over longer time. Shall we test it out? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Patrick O'Donohoe via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 6:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [m-virtualmeetinghosts] WhatsApp ? I gave up WhatsApp when it was absorbed by Facebook and lost its privacy.? Now I use signal, but not sure if it's any good for group meetings. Patrick ? On 12/06/2024 08:16, John Butler via groups.io wrote:
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Re: WhatsApp
开云体育I’ve also stopped using WhatsApp since it was taken over by Meta because of privacy concerns, except where I have to. ? It would still be interesting to see whether WhatsApp would be able to handle a multi-person video call over longer time. Shall we test it out? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Patrick O'Donohoe via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 6:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [m-virtualmeetinghosts] WhatsApp ? I gave up WhatsApp when it was absorbed by Facebook and lost its privacy.? Now I use signal, but not sure if it's any good for group meetings. Patrick ? On 12/06/2024 08:16, John Butler via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Zoom Privacy Updates
I thought that using the Zoom app was always a Faustian bargain where one didn't get to play guitar well or meet Helen of Troy.? D. On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 at 11:29, Andrew Aus (Mensa EA RO) <earo@...> wrote:
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Zoom Privacy Updates
开云体育Hi Fellow Mensa Virtual Meeting Hosts, ? I have heard rumours about Zoom’s recent updates to their Terms & Conditions (Ts & Cs), allowing them more ownership over information transmitted or shared over their channels. ? Are other members here aware of these changes, and if so, could you share with us links to articles or websites that describe these changes? ? I look forwards to reading your thoughts. ? ? |
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Re: Shared Zoom Accounts
开云体育I understand.
My earlier idea was that Mensa Int.
would buy the overall license with 10-50 accounts. Mensa NL now
has a 10-account license, while perhaps max 3 concurrent sessions
is the absolute maximum. So better to have a central buy and let
all Mensas request a number of accounts. With the 10+ it is
possible to buy the license for max 300 participants so for most
Mensas it is more than enough. And smaller Mensas (or in areas
with a lower national income) could benefit to get a license for
less.
I shared my idea with different
national Mensas (here in Europe) and with a few members in the
international board. Hopefully one day we all could save money and
at the same time facilitate smaller Mensas. A group of say 10
members could serve as session-creators and assign a host/co-host
at the beginning (could be X hours before the actual start).
Just some thoughts on it
with kind regards
Henkhenk
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On 16-02-2023 18:19, John Butler via
groups.io wrote:
Thanks Henhenk. I'm not sure that will work for us though. I was hoping for a solution where the Region could buy a single subscription and then different meeting hosts, all unconnected, would be able to benefit.?
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Thanks Henhenk. I'm not sure that will work for us though. I was hoping for a solution where the Region could buy a single subscription and then different meeting hosts, all unconnected, would be able to benefit.?
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Re: Shared Zoom Accounts
开云体育Well one way is:
to define a Zoom session, recurring
meeting, no fixed time, with a link
and pass on the link to whomever needs
it.
This makes people can use the Zoom
meeting as defined. Only does not work in keeping unwanted people
out (then you need to change the password).
Not totally what you want, I guess, but it is a way to make more
use of one account without handing off username/passwords.
Another/different option would be to use a proxy server, so each
user can reach the Zoom account computer through the proxy. Or
through a virtual desktop/KVM/Teamviewer/VNC/Aeroadmin method
reach the one computer with the account. with kind regards
Henkhenk On 16-02-2023 17:33, John Butler via
groups.io wrote:
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Henkhenk