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Locked Stacked resonant loops for MW
开云体育Thanks to all who replied to my original post.? ? As most of the replies mentioned, phasing the loops will be the main issue.? I have tried to address this by stacking the loops vertically such that the windings of the two loops lie in the same plane. ?Rotating the plane of the stacked windings in azimuth until the plane containing the windings is orthogonal to the plane of the incident radio wavefront will maximize the voltage appearing across each of the coupling loops, but will not ensure that the two coupling loop voltages are in phase.? Tilting the loop array in elevation until the axis between the two loop centers is parallel to the plane of the incident radio wavefront will (should??) ensure that the two coupling loop voltages are in phase. ?Since the intended use for the loop “array” is only MW and the two loops are separated by less than 1 meter, a direct series connection between the two coupling loops should not introduce any significant phase. ? At first look, I would expect the Azimuth and elevation adjustments to be non-interacting. ? I’ll do some more searching of the literature and also wait to see what additional comments come back.? If no “fatal” flaws are cited, I’ll start cutting wood and winding coils! ? ? |
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I think you are possibly wasting your time, But hey give it a go! Looking forward to your results. Phased set of active loops does work however.. Ie read lz1aq delay line… I have it working here..4 switchable directions from in shack.. Maybe a pic posted if it goes through on here..( though you can only see 2 of the 3 loops.) Simon g0zen |
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To verify the presence or absence of coupling between the two co-planar resonant loops, I mounted two spiral-wound loops "edge-to-edge".? Loop "A" was resonant at the frequency of the incident radio signal.and drove the receiver via a one-turn coupling loop.? The second loop (Loop "B") drove a dummy load via its coupling loop.? The resonant frequency of Loop "B" was adjusted while observing the signal level indicated on the receiver "S" meter, The received signal dropped as the resonant frequency of Loop "B" approached that of Loop "A", indicating the presence of significant magnetic coupling between the two loops when at a common resonant frequency.? After a little thought, I realized that I had built a grid-dip meter! While the existance of this coupling invalidated my proposed two-loop scheme, in the interest of completeness I then connected the coupling loop of Loop "B" in series with that of Loop "A" and observed the receiver "S" meter as the position of Loop "B" in relation to Loop "A" was varied.? The best I could do was an indicated signal level equal to that with Loop "A" alone connected to the receiver.? Any other position or rotation of Loop "B" resulted in lower signal.?? Unfortunately, I do not have enough room to locate the two loops far enough apart to eliminate the magnetic coupling, so the approach of using an array of widely-spaced loops and a phase aligning network is out of the question for my case. Thanks to all for their comments and recommendations John |
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 09:15 PM, John Stein wrote:
There is NO free lunch!!Well, in all credit to you John, at least you tried it, and reported back to the group. Stuff like this is always a worthwhile learning exercise, and often takes you off in a different direction, where you may discover something else in the process. Most excellent (to quote Mr Burns) Regards, Martin |
Sorry, I am getting into this thread a bit late, but I have wondered about a similar approach for some time and how to work within the L/C ratio boundary for a resonant loop for any given band of frequencies.? To increase the NA product (turns-times-area) of the inductor (i.e., increasing the effective height of the antenna), how about simply using the principle of two inductors in parallel.? Doubling the size of the coil, and then placing it in parallel with another coil of the same size should produce the same induction (band of frequencies) as the original coil, but with four times the NA product.? To avoid any phasing problems, the two coils should be interleaved (same plane for a pancake loop or same cylinder area for a solenoid.? An isolated coupling coil (transformer style) is used for output to the radio.? I would test this out at shortwave frequencies first to minimize the amount of wire and work. Bob C. |