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2N5109 amp directly biased with ZD


 

Hi All,
?
I saw an interesting article.
an amplifier using a 2N5109 at the bottom of this page.
https://www.microchem.fr/ayet/atlas/hf_amplifier.html
It has a 3.3V zener diode and a 3.3k resistor to make a bias voltage.
It looks simple and stable, seems to work well in LTSPICE simulations.
I have a question.
I have never seen a direct bias style like this.
Is there any problems?
?
73, Hisami 7L4IOU


 

Zeners are also good noise generators.? It could work well, but must be well filtered.

Dave - W?LEV


On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 11:55?PM hisami dejima via <7L4IOU=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All,
?
I saw an interesting article.
an amplifier using a 2N5109 at the bottom of this page.
It has a 3.3V zener diode and a 3.3k resistor to make a bias voltage.
It looks simple and stable, seems to work well in LTSPICE simulations.
I have a question.
I have never seen a direct bias style like this.
Is there any problems?
?
73, Hisami 7L4IOU



--
Dave - W?LEV



 

When regulating Vcc with a zener we automatically insert a simple cap-input Pi network in the Vcc line. I'd check with a scope to determine the before and after noise reduction and to establish the values.
The automatic go-to standard we use for sensitive front-end preamps is 1 to 3.3 uF and 30-100uH. The choke should be Hi-Q (80-100+), but in low current circuits the resistive loss will be minimal and 3.3V might end up being something like 3.25 at a low mA draw. But always build a test circuit on a punch board first to get a feeling of what's going on.
I've done this on many WJ8711 and 8718 receivers along with a 500 Ohm trim pot on the output to establish the fixed gain ... usually 6 to 18 dB net. The WJs don't mind any impedance changes since they are never 50 Ohms (exactly) on the input anyhow. Actually, the receivers without the factory preselector act more like a constant voltage source and don't sag the source (antenna) voltage assuming your input signal is somewhere around 50 Ohms. I personally have used antenna input impedances of 25 to 150 Ohms (resistive) and cannot detect any problems.
Additionally, having some kind of circuitry ahead of the WJ's front end (non-preselector types) is added protection from static discharges at the antenna. The WJs do not necessarily have much protection in that regard anyhow. We've done this with Racal, Harris, and ITT receivers as well.

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    On Monday, December 30, 2024 at 08:11:04 PM EST, W0LEV via groups.io <davearea51a@...> wrote:


    Zeners are also good noise generators.? It could work well, but must be well filtered.

    Dave - W?LEV


    On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 11:55?PM hisami dejima via <7L4IOU=[email protected]> wrote:
    Hi All,
    ?
    I saw an interesting article.
    an amplifier using a 2N5109 at the bottom of this page.
    It has a 3.3V zener diode and a 3.3k resistor to make a bias voltage.
    It looks simple and stable, seems to work well in LTSPICE simulations.
    I have a question.
    I have never seen a direct bias style like this.
    Is there any problems?
    ?
    73, Hisami 7L4IOU



    --
    Dave - W?LEV



     

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    In all these common base preamp circuits it doesn't matter what type of base bias is used--I've seen a LED used in place of a standard 2 cent resistor, so using a 25 cent zener diode is just another way. The emitter resistor is varied to set the desired overall current.

    I built the circuit just now; I used Steward fat toroids for the two transformers, but that doesn't matter much either. My bag of 3.3V zeners gave one that had an actual 3.0V; the final emitter current was 28 mA with the 13V supply shown--the circuit showed 31 mA so mine was close. I used a genuine Central Semi 2N5109. I used the 0.1 uF caps as shown. I used the DG8SAQ VNWA to measure gain and input/output impedances. My circuit had peak gain of +9.2 dB at 1 MHz; +9.0 dB at 10 MHz; +8.2 dB at 30 MHz. Input impedance was 23 ohms at 1 MHz, 27 ohms at 10 MHz, 45 ohms at 30 MHz. Output impedance was 111 ohms at 1 MHz, 116 ohma at 10 MHz, 150 ohms at 30 MHz. IMD with? 3 and 4 MHz test tones set for 0 dBm at preamp output: 1 and 7 MHz +60 dBm OIP2; 2 and 5 MHz +43 dBm OIP3. P1dB measured at 1 MHz with 50 ohm load: 0.12 watts = +20.8 dBm. HP noise figure meter, 10 MHz 3.75 dB noise figure.

    I would say don't waste your time with this circuit. You could use a standard Norton circuit with much better NF, better in/out impedances for the same current as this circuit uses. Use standard resistor base bias. The article's goal was a decent HF-higher bands preamp for the old Atlas? 210 transceiver--the Norton would have been a better preamp circuit than this one.

    73,

    Steve AA7U

    On 12/30/2024 4:55 PM, hisami dejima via groups.io wrote:

    Hi All,
    ?
    I saw an interesting article.
    an amplifier using a 2N5109 at the bottom of this page.
    It has a 3.3V zener diode and a 3.3k resistor to make a bias voltage.
    It looks simple and stable, seems to work well in LTSPICE simulations.
    I have a question.
    I have never seen a direct bias style like this.
    Is there any problems?
    ?
    73, Hisami 7L4IOU


     
    Edited

    I do not see a compelling reason to use 2N5109 for new designs, it is an obsolete part. Central and Microchip terminated the production. The last direct equivalent, the NTE278 is discontinued since last year. New 2N5109 are chinese substitutes, some of them are of decent quality, some are not.
    ?
    For temperature compensation it may make sense to use a Diode to bias a transistor. Avoid Zener/avalanche diodes, they generate noise. LEDs may make sense, if you can double use it as power indicator.
    ?
    regards
    Fred


     

    Thank you all for your advice and experiments.

    It looks good, so I was wondering why I hadn't seen it.
    As for the noise, I am not too worried.
    in last year I tried a noise generator with zener diode.
    However, did not get the Noise level that I expected,
    Anyway,
    I will try this style with 2SC3357 during the New Year holidays.
    I don't have a low voltage zener diode so will try it with LEDs.
    of course it may replace to the common resistor divider.

    I wish you all peace and health in 2025.

    73, Hisami 7L4IOU