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Locked AM Antenna- I am a totally clueless non radio granny --HELP?


 

First let me apologize for wasting everyone's time here but I am so
lost. And thanks for being brave enough to read this. I don't know
what any of these technical terms everyone writes of mean. Induction
is what happens before they put the dog tags on and the rest of the
terms you use are otherworldly to me.

My homely problem.
I was given a radio receiver with 4 clip inputs in the back that say
AM loop and FM loop. With nothing attached, nothing was received. I
do live in a fringe area.
Trying to help myself, I did a little research on the net yesterday
(found you'all then ) and so put a splitter on my TV cable, rigged up
a pigtail for the stereo, put the wire in one of the FM inputs, and
now receive FM stations I could never hear well in the house
before. What luck! Until lightning hits the TV antenna maybe?

Then for the AM I hooked up, into one of the AM inputs, various
lengths of TV/telephone cables, straight and loopy, but nothing. So,
reading from yesterday's net research , I skeptically ran a cable
(medium red/gray color covering, no writing on it, 4 wires I twisted
together) from one radio AM input to one of the two screws on the
room light switch cover. Lo and behold, 2 faint stations, and
another one that I could hear with static at the same volume level as
the broadcast.
But it was the station that I wanted to hear. Looks like my year of
luck, no? Then, heady with success I ran another pigtail to the
screw of a light switch cover that was on a different electrial
circuit. That did noticeably help the static so listening for half
an hour might be tolerable now.

Question: Can I easily improve on this AM a whole whole lot? Is
there an AM antenna to buy that is not super expensive? And easy to
use? I have an attic opening right above the radio I could throw
something large into, if need be. I see cheap little stereo antennas
on Ebay for $10-20. Would one of them work?
I have looked at antenna diagrams but after seeing parts I never
heard of, and with all the 'tuning' and 'ratios' I had a panic attack.

I would be ever so grateful for some advice. Sorry that I am so
ignorant and confused as I have lived 68 yrs and never heard of
a "loop" until 3 days ago.


 

Welcome to the group! We are all still clueless on this topic to
one degree or another. And the only stupid questions are the ones
that do not get asked.

I am the author of one of the loop antenna pages:



I have been told that my presentation is easy enough for novices,
but the page assumes some type of electronic knowledge on the part
of reader. I will try to make this simple.

First off, congratulations on your success with FM stations. It
shows real initiative on your part, and good deal of electronically
oriented intuition to go as far as you did and successfully receive
stations. As for the little indoor FM antennas - forget them. You
will receive far more stations by buying one of the FM "T-wire" type
antennas that may have even come with the radio. They are a dollar
or two, usually made of flat, clear wire that is about 3/8 of an
inch wide. You can probably find them at Walmart or Target, wrapped
up in a package hanging on the wall in the electronics accessory
department. Radio Shack or Best Buy will have them as well. Take
the wire out of the package, and you will find that it is shaped
like a "T", with connections for the screws of your stereo on the
bottom of the T. You will get the best reception if you use push
pins and install it at the ceiling on a wall that is closest to
broadside to the stations you want to receive. Please be careful on
the ladder! I get very good reception of stations up to 60 miles
away using one.

The next step up in FM antennas can be found at Radio Shack - they
have a 6 element FM antenna for around $25. I used mine to receive
stations up to 180 miles away. An outdoor antenna can be hidden in
an attic, and is certainly more trouble than the T-wire, but
sometimes that is the only way to receive stations.

Now, for AM loops - the main subject of this group. Without getting
into electronics terminology - the way the loop antennas we build
work is by taking advantage of the fact that two types of electronic
components - inductors and capacitors - both store electricity, but
do it in different ways. When you hook them together, they get
caught in a tug of war - transferring energy from one to the other -
at a specific frequency. That frequency is determined by the value
of each. The reason why your AM reception is so weak is that one of
them - the inductor (or coil of wire) is the wrong value. Your
capacitor is inside of your radio, so you have to match it. Right
now, it is not able to transfer energy back and forth at the same
rate as the stations are broadcasting, because the loop part is not
right. You may already know that an antenna made for UHF TV
stations probably would not work for VHF TV or FM, neither would an
antenna made just for FM work very well with UHF TV. It is exactly
the same principle the AM loop. You have to construct it correctly
to receive AM stations in conjunction with the capacitor inside your
radio.

Now, for a simple construction project. A lot of us have had
success with a Pizza box, but anything of that general size will
work. Styrofoam out of TV box, for example. Just something that
makes a big square or circle, and is not made of metal. It will be
near your radio, so you might want something that isn't too ugly!
14 by 14 inch square is fine. 20 by 16 inch rectangle is fine. 18
inch round is fine.

Next, you need to buy about 150 feet of wire. Home Depot and Lowe's
have packages of 50 feet or 100 feet, you will probably have to
twist shorter pieces together to make 150 feet. Copper wire is
best, it doesn't have to be thick or heavy or anything like that.
Insulated wire is best, but you may not have a wire stripper to deal
with it. It does have to conduct electricity efficiently when
twisted together. Steel or aluminum wire is not good.

Wrap all 150 feet around whatever it is you have for a frame. You
need to separate each turn of wire a little bit, so it doesn't short
against the next turn of wire.

I have purposely had you make an antenna that is a bit too "low" in
frequency - but it may work satisfactorily just as is. Each end of
the wire you wound around the box (or whatever you used) goes to a
screw on the radio.

If you aren't getting good reception, make sure the antenna is
standing up vertically and not flat (like it was on the floor). You
can also try turning it, loops are directional and this type is most
sensitive along its edge. Finally, you can try taking turns of wire
off, one at a time, until you get the best reception. My guess is
no more than 3 or 4 if you used a pizza box. If you take off too
many, you can twist it together again and add back a turn of wire.

When you get it the way it works best, use some tape to keep the
wire in place on the box.

Please let us know how it works, we are here to help you if you need
more advice!


Stumm, John C
 

Greetings Clueless!
It depends on what you mean by super expensive. CCrane offers a very nice AM antenna that would serve you well in your outlying area. They go for a hundred bucks though, (unless you can find one on ebay for less). You can place the ferrite "head' in a spot that maximizes signal and minimizes noise. As far as using light switch cover screws, they tend to be noise magnets, especially if you employ dimmers. ccrane.com is the address and they offer other antennas as well. The Justice AM antenna, (as it was formerly known), at $100, is a lot of bang for your buck. They may offer free shipping also?
Good luck,
John

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From: Usually Clueless [mailto:usuallyclueless@...]
Sent: Tue 7/13/2004 8:45 AM
To: loopantennas@...
Subject: [loopantennas] AM Antenna- I am a totally clueless non radio granny --HELP?



First let me apologize for wasting everyone's time here but I am so
lost. And thanks for being brave enough to read this. I don't know
what any of these technical terms everyone writes of mean. Induction
is what happens before they put the dog tags on and the rest of the
terms you use are otherworldly to me.

My homely problem.
I was given a radio receiver with 4 clip inputs in the back that say
AM loop and FM loop. With nothing attached, nothing was received. I
do live in a fringe area.
Trying to help myself, I did a little research on the net yesterday
(found you'all then ) and so put a splitter on my TV cable, rigged up
a pigtail for the stereo, put the wire in one of the FM inputs, and
now receive FM stations I could never hear well in the house
before. What luck! Until lightning hits the TV antenna maybe?

Then for the AM I hooked up, into one of the AM inputs, various
lengths of TV/telephone cables, straight and loopy, but nothing. So,
reading from yesterday's net research , I skeptically ran a cable
(medium red/gray color covering, no writing on it, 4 wires I twisted
together) from one radio AM input to one of the two screws on the
room light switch cover. Lo and behold, 2 faint stations, and
another one that I could hear with static at the same volume level as
the broadcast.
But it was the station that I wanted to hear. Looks like my year of
luck, no? Then, heady with success I ran another pigtail to the
screw of a light switch cover that was on a different electrial
circuit. That did noticeably help the static so listening for half
an hour might be tolerable now.

Question: Can I easily improve on this AM a whole whole lot? Is
there an AM antenna to buy that is not super expensive? And easy to
use? I have an attic opening right above the radio I could throw
something large into, if need be. I see cheap little stereo antennas
on Ebay for $10-20. Would one of them work?
I have looked at antenna diagrams but after seeing parts I never
heard of, and with all the 'tuning' and 'ratios' I had a panic attack.

I would be ever so grateful for some advice. Sorry that I am so
ignorant and confused as I have lived 68 yrs and never heard of
a "loop" until 3 days ago.











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Thank you so much guys, Bruce and John. I sort of get a little of
this inductor/capacitor thing now. I am interested in one of the
commercial FM antennas mentioned as the reception on the TV next to
the radio is just slightly compromised now from that splitter. No
biggie, but I have to have an amplifier to get any TV at all. And
never had decent radio in 5 years. But you'all have my hopes up now.

On the AM antenna--- here I thought there was more than just wire
involved! I saw the words ferrite, and induction and freaked I
guess.

Questions: Can I use a piece of wood instead of cardboard or
styrofoam? Is speaker wire too light? I have a cable that says
MPP/CMP/PCC FT6 -- -- 4/24. Six copper wires. Would that work? Any
easy way to get the covering off?

And thanks so much for the ladder concerns, you really warmed my
heart on that. No one would hear the crash out here in the middle of
the big Missouri forest, for sure.
And good guess on the dimmer switches. Both of them are.

Thanks again,
Nancy

--- In loopantennas@..., "Stumm, John C" <jcstumm@s...>
wrote:
Greetings Clueless!
It depends on what you mean by super expensive. CCrane offers a
very nice AM antenna that would serve you well in your outlying area.
They go for a hundred bucks though, (unless you can find one on ebay
for less). You can place the ferrite "head' in a spot that maximizes
signal and minimizes noise. As far as using light switch cover
screws, they tend to be noise magnets, especially if you employ
dimmers. ccrane.com is the address and they offer other antennas as
well. The Justice AM antenna, (as it was formerly known), at $100, is
a lot of bang for your buck. They may offer free shipping also?
Good luck,
John


 

Questions: Can I use a piece of wood instead of cardboard or
styrofoam?
Wood is ideal. I mentioned the others because they are very easy to
find and work with. But if you have woodworking skills - so much
the better. I have several construction articles about making wood
frame loop antennas. Just remember that the tuning capacitor
mentioned in my articles is already inside your radio. You are
trying to match to it.

Is speaker wire too light?
Speaker wire is great - I don't usually mention it because it can be
expensive, and you have to rip the two wires apart to get a single
wire you can wind - or you could always just twist the two wires
together and make one conductor out of it.

I have a cable that says
MPP/CMP/PCC FT6 -- -- 4/24. Six copper wires. Would that work?
Yes, but I recommend ripping the six wires apart, twisting them
together, and making one continuous conductor. 150 feet divided by
6 - you would need 25 feet of the six conductor wire to start with.

Any
easy way to get the covering off?
In the absence of wire strippers, I would take a steak knife and cut
around the insulation in a circumcision fashion, then slide off the
insulation. I find that rolling the wires with the knife on a meat
cutting block spares my fingers from any chance of cuts.

It is interesting that you have this type of cable. I cannot find a
data sheet for that particular type of cable, but it is possible
that it is a shielded type - it has a braided conductor around the
copper conductors. IF that is the case, the braid will make just as
effective an antenna as the wire in the middle. The braid is a
woven metal - and can be easily un ravelled and then twisted to make
a nice end.


william todd
 

i think your problum is fixable,I have an overload problum even without an antenna attached.

Usually Clueless wrote:
First let me apologize for wasting everyone's time here but I am so
lost.?? And thanks for being brave enough to read this.? I don't know
what any of these technical terms everyone writes of mean.? Induction
is? what happens before they put the dog tags on and the rest of the
terms you use are otherworldly to me.

My homely problem.?
I was given a radio receiver with 4 clip inputs in the back that say
AM loop and FM loop.? With nothing attached, nothing was received.? I
do live in a fringe area.
Trying to help myself,? I did a little research on the net yesterday
(found you'all then ) and so put a splitter on my TV cable, rigged up
a pigtail for the stereo, put the wire in one of the FM inputs, and
now receive FM stations I could never hear well in the house
before.?? What luck!? Until lightning hits the TV antenna maybe?

Then for the AM I hooked up, into one of the AM inputs,? various
lengths of TV/telephone cables, straight and loopy, but nothing.? So,
reading from yesterday's net research , I skeptically ran a cable
(medium red/gray color covering, no writing on it, 4 wires I twisted
together) from one radio AM input to one of the two screws on the
room light switch cover.? Lo and behold, 2 faint stations, and
another one that I could hear with static at the same volume level as
the broadcast.
But it was the station that I wanted to hear.? Looks like my year of
luck, no???? Then, heady with success I ran another pigtail to the
screw of a light switch cover that was on a different electrial
circuit.? That did noticeably help the static so listening for half
an hour might be tolerable now.

Question:??? Can I easily improve on this AM a whole whole lot??? Is
there an AM antenna to buy that is not super expensive?? And easy to
use??? I have an attic opening right above the radio I could throw
something large into, if need be.? I see cheap little stereo antennas
on Ebay for $10-20.? Would one of them work?
I have looked at antenna diagrams but after seeing parts I never
heard of, and with all the 'tuning' and 'ratios' I had a panic attack.

I would be ever so grateful for some advice.? Sorry that I am so
ignorant and confused? as I have lived 68 yrs and never heard of
a "loop" until 3 days ago.









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