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FW: [loopantennas] Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
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Subject: Re: [loopantennas] Optimizing Small Untuned Loop
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
All,
I am attaching an interesting article where are described factors such as antenna efficiency and antenna mismatch that will effect AF value.
This will let you re-think I have not yet
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Raphael Wasserman
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Raspberry Pi OS Linux update for STLcalc
The STLcalc program file needs to have permissions set to executable mode, a fact which I failed to note in the README file. I have edited the README file (attached) to add a step that describes this
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Augie "Gus" Hansen
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Linux Mint file update for STLcalc
The STLcalc program file needs to have permissions set to executable mode, a fact which I failed to note in the README file. I have edited the README file (attached) to add a step that describes this
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Augie "Gus" Hansen
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
Hi Martin,
1. I was interested to know how works Duffy's published calculator for small loops. Of course, all intermediate steps of calculations with this device were unknown for me but Duffy did
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Raphael Wasserman
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
But in a later post you say:-
The efficiency will be the same for tuned or untuned small loop antennas because neither radiation resistance nor loops ohmic loss can be changed
These seem to be
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Martin - Southwest UK
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
Rick,
1. The efficiency of antenna K is defined as a ratio of (R radiation/ R radiation + R antenna loss), where R radiation value is significantly less than R antenna loss regardless tuned or
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Raphael Wasserman
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
What can be proven is that the inductive reactance is cancelled out in the case of the tuned loop, but not the untuned loop. I'm not sure
what definition of "efficiency" you are using, but a tuned
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Richard \(Rick\) Karlquist \(N6RK\)
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
Rick,
The efficiency will be the same for tuned or untuned small loop antennas because neither radiation resistance nor loops ohmic loss can be changed...unless you can prove otherwise.
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Raphael Wasserman
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
You would be doing well to get 1% efficiency with a TUNED loop.
For a small UNtuned loop it would be more like 0.1% efficiency or less.
Rick N6RK
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Richard \(Rick\) Karlquist \(N6RK\)
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
All,
Since I have Kraus's book "Antennas for all applications" as my technical bible, I re-read the chapter 6 about loop antennas. He does not use at all in the terminology AF but *effective antenna
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Raphael Wasserman
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
Hi Martin,
I reviewed recent Duffy's comments in the mentioned blog.
Duffy states: *AF db/m= E dBV/m - V dBv,* defining the antenna factor. It is taking without any argument regarding it.
For some
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Raphael Wasserman
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
A recent comment on Owen Duffy's blog regarding AF.
https://owenduffy.net/blog/?p=27134
Regards,
Martin
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Martin - Southwest UK
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Re: New to group and quest for loop¡ #160
Hi Jeff
For 160m? I suggest you think about the antenna described here ( https://topbandhams.com/tech-page/76-wb5wpa-1-4-wave-tuned-vertical-loop ) on the top band hams reflector.? The way WB5WPA
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Re: New to group and quest for loop¡ #160
Hello Jeff. A small transmitting loop (STL), or mag loop for 160m is possible, but some compromises must be accepted. I built a three-turn STL for 80-160m use about 12 years ago and have had good
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Augie "Gus" Hansen
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
John,
I forgot to mention in the final equation of AF
Is indirectly included the aperture value of antenna through the antenna gain G because any antenna gain is dependent on its aperture
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Raphael Wasserman
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
All,
I see some of responders are confused about AF definition and variables that effect AF value.
I did not call AF as a loss factor, only made my point about ¡°mismatch factor¡± caused by
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Raphael Wasserman
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
The antenna factor is strictly a function of the effective aperture of the antenna.? For a given power density the ratio of the free space impedance and the system impedance form a factor which is a
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VE7VXO
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Re: Optimizing Small Untuned Loop Antennas
All,
In recent years the use of a term called ¡°Antenna Factor¡± in EMC and spectrum pollution work has become very important. There has been a great need for measuring field intensity and/or
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Raphael Wasserman
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