Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
Hi Mark
Thank you very much for the information.
Please tell me.
Does the 3 in 3.5 to 3.8 dB mean 'diveded into two port'?
Japan will be on holiday for about a week so difficult to buy parts.
I want
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hisami dejima
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
I understood.
Thanks for the addition.
73, Hisami
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hisami dejima
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
Hi Piotr and all,
Thanks for posting the Chris Smith article and the LTSPICE analysis.? Back in the 1990s I developed a circuit very similar to that described by Chris but with one major
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Mark Whittington AG5RT
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
Jim
thanks for the inspiration, however, things are not that simple. A hybrid analog coupler can be placed directly at two orthogonal antennas (e.g. small loops). Behind the coupler is a chain:
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Piotr, SP2BPD
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Re: Coupling loop advice
Hi Victor
Copper pipe, it stays rigid, though coax works.
Re the main loop, that also should be copper pipe. Reason, losses, and if use coax and it moves/flexes then its out of tune and you will
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Simon
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Re: Coupling loop advice
One more question:
is it better to make the coupling loop with coax (ie RG213) or copper pipe?
Thanks.
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V¨ªctor J. S¨¢nchez
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#21312
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
or more precisely: /g/loopantennas/files/NX0E_hybrid_coupler/loss_precise.jpg
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Piotr, SP2BPD
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Re: Coupling loop advice
The unshielded coupling loop is likely to produce the lowest losses.
When using a toroid, especially on the lower frequency bands, a high permeability core material is required. These tend to be
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Martin - Southwest UK
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Re: Coupling loop advice
Hi,
I'm very pleased for the bunch of answers and advices you tell me. Thank you very much.
At first I'll made an unshielded coupling loop so it's the easiest method althougt the toroid is an
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V¨ªctor J. S¨¢nchez
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
Hi Hisami,
I've attached a new file: /g/loopantennas/files/NX0E_hybrid_coupler/loss_plot.jpg. V(n005) is the voltage at the source.
The losses are not 9 dB but about 3 dB.
Kind
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Piotr, SP2BPD
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
Hi All,
A friend told me.
this this type of Hybrid is often used in 4 square vertical systems.
for example as
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hisami dejima
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
Hi Piotr,
Thanks for the information and LTspice file.
The 9dB loss is a bit large, but the clean phase is wonderful.
tnx & 73, Hisami
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hisami dejima
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Re: Coupling loop advice
Yes, this would work quite well. In technical terms, its called a Rogowski
Coil. Uncle and amateurs have fed the base of a water fountain using a
Rogowski coil as well as feeding trees. I'[ve never
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W0LEV
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Re: Coupling loop advice
Hi, Victor.
Not to derail the discussion too much, but the toroid coupling method shown in figure 32 of that link works very well indeed.
Not only is it mechanically very simple and robust, but you
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Dan Clementi
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Re: Coupling loop advice
Hi Dave
Snake oil..lol
Just dont make any improvement..good selling point though!
Simon g0zen, ex maker of 160/80m mag loops that can get into USA, Caribbean etc from UK ssb.. ( now live on
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Simon
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Re: Coupling loop advice
If you look at the physics of the "shielded" loop, you will rapidly realize
it is NOT SHIELDED from the induced currents! That's the whole reason for
the gap at the top high-Z point, opposite the
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W0LEV
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Re: Coupling loop advice
I would agree with Simon. Use an unshielded coupling loop and place an effective common mode choke on the feedline, and also on any control cables.
Regards,
Martin
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Martin - Southwest UK
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
OK. . .
90 degree hybrids with mulitoctave frequency are possible but this is the 21st century. . .
Buy a dual channel SDR receiver with matching "IF signal handling" chains and create the 90 degree
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James Redding WA9VEZ
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
An addition:
As you can see from the phase plot the deviation from 90 deg is less than 5 deg for the range: 2.4 - 37 MHz. The design can be easily scaled to another frequency range.
But note: there
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Piotr, SP2BPD
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Re: HYBRID QUADRATURE JH-6-4 or equivalent
A few years ago, a similar topic appeared in another group: /g/SimSmith/topic/69302617.
Last year, Chris Smith NX0E shared his hybrid coupler design with me. He based his design on
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Piotr, SP2BPD
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