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Re: Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics uploaded to Photos
开云体育Martin, on your schematic you've got the resistor feeding the 2 x 1N4148s as 500K, whereas Steve has it at 1K.Should it have been 500R? Mike - M0MLM From:
Martin - Southwest UK via groups.io
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Sunday, 21 July 2024 at 5:58 pm
Subject:
[loopantennas] Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics
uploaded to Photos
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Re: Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics uploaded to Photos
开云体育Thank you. I should note that my group opened and traced out 3 different ALA1530LNs and all had a single 82 pF cap across the two loop inputs. Apparently you had a variation if yours had two 82 pF? caps in series across the two loop inputs as your schematic shows (and the midpoint of them not going to common/ground either). Steve On 7/21/2024 9:58 AM, Martin -
Southwest UK via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics uploaded to Photos
开云体育Hi Mike, Yes, it appears your numbering matches with the proper phasing of the one-turn feedbacks. But RV1 is 100 ohms ("100R"), not 100 k ohms. That pot is set so both Source sides are the same voltage. All the 2SK715s that Andrew Ikin used were of the highest Idss version, "W", from the Sanyo datasheet, in the 3 different ALA1530LNs that my group opened up and traced out. Steve On 7/21/2024 9:26 AM, Mike M via
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JFET matcher using an OpAmp
wn4isx
On the off chance there is interest in matching JFETs for a clone of the Wellbrook loop antenna, I've posted a PDF of a simple and effective unit. Layout isn't critical, I constructed mine on vero-breadboard with 0.1" centers and used point to point wiring and mounted it ~1/8" above an unetched PCB for a ground plane. ? Note 1: I did not design the unit, I built one late last night and tested a bunch of 2N3819. ? A lifetime ago, 1975, I was given several hundred prime TI 2N3819s. Sadly the 2N3918 isn't the most useful JFET but it was nice to test 50 and find 3 that matched extremely closely. ? YMWV ? Note 2: The 2n3819s aren't for sale. ? The file name is JFET-matcher-rullywow.com-Build-Doc-v1.01.pdf ? It can be found in the files section. |
Re: Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics uploaded to Photos
Mine added too, derived separately, useful for comparison purposes.
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:26 PM, Mike M wrote:
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Re: Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics uploaded to Photos
Steve,
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Schematic added:
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Also, I notice that the 2SK715 had four ranks for IDSS and the 2SK932 has two ranks for IDSS.? Any idea of which rank was used by Wellbrook?
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Re: Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics uploaded to Photos
开云体育Hi Mike, One would need a full schematic with the T1 transformer labeled per your drawing to be able to say if you have it correct or not. My schematic in the files doesn't have transformer numbering on it, just phasing dots. Steve On 7/21/2024 7:07 AM, Mike M via
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Re: Steve ugly-build LZ1AQ using MPS2222 sweeps uploaded to Photos
Hi Martin,
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Well when you have a separate 50 ohms coupling loop ( your excitation loop ) coupled with a tuned loop:?
1. More separation betveen both loops - lower the magnetic coupling K coefficient, less induced power from excitation loop into the tuned loop.
2. Less separation, the coupling coefficient rises, induced power goes up and the resonant frequency of tuned loop goes up insignificantly in accordance with:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f= 1/2xpi x sqrt (( La (1-K^2)x Ca)) .
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Raphael
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Re: Wellbrook traced-out loop amp schematics uploaded to Photos
Steve,
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Thanks for doing this. It would be a shame to lose these designs now that Andy is gone.
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I added a folder and two files illustrating T1:
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Could you take a look and see if I have it correct?
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Thanks!
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Re: I've posted JFET Evaluation for active antennas Trask
I'd like to see that Russian verswion. Could you forward it? ? Chris ? When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro - Hunter S. Thompson -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Sent: Jul 20, 2024 8:44 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [loopantennas] I've posted JFET Evaluation for active antennas Trask ? I found this in my saved documents on my PC. The weblinks on the net no longer work, but I did find a? MS Word version in Russian. Regards, Ian. On 20/07/2024 16:34, wn4isx via groups.io wrote:
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Re: LZ1AQ Purchase Control Board Only
I will repeat Chavdar's commercial email address (he produces the amplifier and interface board under the active-antenna.eu brand name) as before.
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Use the for or following address:
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info(AT)active-antenna.eu?? Replace the (AT) with @ as Groups IO strips full email addresses for security purposes.
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On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 06:27 PM, KQ4NUO wrote:
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Re: Wellbrook antenna troubleshooting help
Hi Todd,
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Measure the DC current being drawn by the loop amplifier, somewhere along the coax feeding the loop.
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This will determine that power is actually reaching the amplifier, and if the devices are OK.
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The current will ?most likely be in the region of 100 to 150mA if it is working correctly.
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It is possible the previous owner has accidentally transmitted into to loop interface and caused damage. This has happened to the majority of faulty ones I have been asked to look at.
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Regards,
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Wellbrook antenna troubleshooting help
Hello all,
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I am trying to troubleshoot an issue with a used Wellbrook antenna.? When I set it up the day before yesterday, it was working very well!? Then today I noticed a problem with an intermittent LED on the antenna interface not lighting up (as if no power was getting to the unit).? I found some troubleshooting steps on this forum and checked the following and found to be good:
1.? co-ax is ok (using new RG58)
2. Power is at 12 V to the unit
3. Red LED is now lit up.
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However, now there appears to be absolutely no signals being picked up, it's completely deaf.? Is there something else to check?? The only other thing I can think of is checking the connections to the loop at the amplifier (they are tightly taped by the previous owner, so I suspect they would be good).
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Thanks,
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Some additional power supply notes.
wn4isx
Some additional power supply notes. ? I mentioned there is a severe problem in the way most circuit designs for the uA723 have an error. I said I thought 100 ohms was needed in series with the current sense, it is 1,000 ohms. Most fried uA723 are the result of not using that 1,000 ohm resistor. ? Re noise from batteries. Mr. Werner Ogiers is a severe audiophile. While I don't necessarily agree with severe audiophiles, I mean oxygen free cryogenically treated copper speaker cables strikes me as a bit unsane, there are some very smart and dedicated people in that clan who actually understand measurement. ? Mr. Ogiers has a series on power supplies and page 4 has noise graphs from chemical batteries. I doubted his data and performed some tests of my own. [forget the "Some people prefer the sound of the TL431 operating in non-unity-gain" on page 3, even very smart people have their delusions.] ? I used Rod Elliot's Low Noise Test Preamplifier at https://sound-au.com/project158.htm ? My Dataq data acquisition unit with the Low Noise Test preamplifier with SpectraPluse revealed that "Yyes chemical batteries do produce noise." ? Some batteries produce a lot of noise. And I mean A LOT of NOISE! ? https://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/regulators_noise4_e.html ? Take it for what it's worth. ? I use Charles Wenzel's Reducing Voltage Regulator Noise for all of my active antenna power supplies. ? For really critical, low current, needs I add a capacitor multiplier to the output. The noise is so low I can't measure it. ? Something all too many RF designers ignore is "rectifier commutation noise." https://www.microsemi.com/document-portal/doc_view/14617-rectifier-reverse-switching-performance [rectifier commutation noise is the term my favorite EE professor used.] ? I won't get down into the weeds over proper rectifier commutation noise snubber design but this can be a serious problem. By serious, I mean so bad as to render a very well designed linear power supply useless for RF work. ? One final note, there is no point in lowering your home grown EMI lower then the ambient RF noise floor, which, if you have AC power, telephone, cable TV, and neighbors within ~300 feet, will be rather high. Such is life and why my wife and I try to escape to a nature preserve so I can do some serious DXing. ? |
Re: LZ1AQ Purchase Control Board Only
开云体育There is no email address on the site for Chavdar ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin - Southwest UK via groups.io ? Send an email to Chavdar. ? For additional info please use the for or following address: ? info(AT)active-antenna.eu ? ? ? ? On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 04:21 PM, KQ4NUO wrote:
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Re: LZ1AQ Purchase Control Board Only
Send an email to Chavdar.
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For additional info please use the for or following address:
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info(AT)active-antenna.eu
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On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 04:21 PM, KQ4NUO wrote:
We misplaced the small Control Board for our LZ1AQ. Does anyone know how to purchase it only without the whole kit or how to contact the manufacturer to buy replacement? |