Let's cut to the chase, per the author:

Folklore dies hard.

At a recent ham convention some clown brought his
helically loaded loop and put it on display. He
proudly held court and explained to anyone
who would listen about how great it was. I
bet my 4 inch Hi-Q screwdriver with CB whip
on top could beat that loop in a shoot out.

Rick N6RK

In loopantennas@..., <richard@...> wrote :

Hi John;

I am using an AR-303 rotator with a small resonant loop, and have had this mounted outdoors for about 3 years now.? This appears to be identical to the RS unit.? I have had no problems with the rotator head itself, and it has worked without problems here in Chicago in temps down to -20F.? I do not use it for DFing or signal nulling, but tweak it occasionally to depress local noise as heard on the loop.

The control itself has its issues, and I have had to open it a couple of times to find and remove pieces of broken plastic which jammed it up.? This appears to be a common problem, but none of the problems I have had have been game enders.

For $50 this is a good deal and should work fine, especially for an indoor siting.

joe

Active AM Antenna With Twin Coil Ferrite by C. Crane Co.


JLKolb?s antenna links including the KRS AA-1 Active Antenna schematic, antenna preamplfiers, center-tapped loops, and a dual gate FET preselector.


Directional Terminated MW/LW Loop by WellBroook (UK)
K9AY is the Remote Controlled Variable Termination; Provides a Cardioid Reception Pattern with up to 30dB Gain Front-to-Back; Uses Two Delta Loops.


Kiwa - High Performance MW Air-Core Loop Antenna
High Performance MW Air-Core Loop Antenna by KIWA


Palomar Engineers Loop Antennas LW-MW-SW2
Palomar's Loop Antenna gives superb performance on the AM medium-wave broadcast band. The loop rotates and tilts to give deep nulls so you can eliminate local interference. It also allows you to null out a station and listen to another one on the same frequency.


The Quantum loop antennas, now V2.0


Terk AM loop at Amazon.com
Here is a place you can buy yourself a TERK AM loop antenna, even some other stuff that is kind of off topic to talk about. 73


WL1030 by the late Maartenhagg. Plans placed on this website by his friends in his honor.


C Crane Company
They sell the Justice AM Loop Antenna, Select A Tenna, Terk AM 1000


Kiwa Electronics
Kwia makes the best products for you and your radio equipment, and also improves things that needed improvement a long time ago.


Stormwise Ferrite Rods
Get some huge ferrite rods and a converter to go along with its, heck it even comes with project book.


Universal Radio Company
They sell all sorts of loops big and small for LW/MW/SW and VLF also 10 kHz to 15 MHz



ALA-1530
Find the best UK LF/MF antenna here.


AOR
This is the site that sells the AOR loop


Kiwa Electronics
The maker of the air core loop antenna and other useful items that you may want on your wish list.


LF Engineering Company
A group of engineers, who make products for VLF/LF listening even ELF loops!


Select A Tenna by Intensitronics Corp
The maker of the select A tenna, a great AM loop antenna that is a little bigger than the terk
discontinued

Terk Technolegies
The maker of the best sold AM and I use also called the AM-1000 AM loop antenna, there is also technical information on how it works.


Torus Tuner Loop Company
A very specially made loop that is almost as big as a hula hoop
discontinued


GRAHN (Germany) Specialized Loop Antennas for MW and SW Reception Contributed by radiohighfreq
Grahn offers both Ferrite Rod Antennas and Shielded Loop Antennas. Translated from the Gremany Language Webpages here is the "Grahn Specialized Loop Antennas for MW and SW Reception" ULR Address:
Use the Google Translate a web Page Tool to convert these webpages to English.



When considering AM Loop Antennas . . .
- - - It all comes down to Time? & Money?

How much Time? Are you going to be 'using' the Loop Antenna for
DXing or simply for "Better" AM Radio Reception (Sports/Talk Radio
Loop).

How Much Money? Are you willing to spend for a Loop Antenna to get
the kind of better reception you want.

TBL: Time and Money translates to the AM Loop Antenna's Value to You.


The average radio listener (97%), who wants better AM Radio
Reception, can spend $100 or less and get an AM Loop Antenna that
meets their needs.

Here is a brief list of the more common AM Loop Antennas for $100 or
less.

* Twin Coil Ferrite AM Loop Antenna (Active)
- - -

* Torus Tuner 27" Loop Antenna (Passive)
- - - discontinued

* Select-A-Tenna Model #541M (Passive)
- - - discontinued

* Terk AM Advantage Loop Antenna (Passive)
- - -

* RadioShack AM Loop Antanna # 15-1853 (Passive)
- - - Discontinued (Find 'used' on eBay)

* MTM Scientific AM Radio Loop Antenna (Passive)
*
- - - Starter Kit, Deluxe Kit or Finished Antenna!

* * * Home made 'Box' AM Loop Antennas
- Usually 20" to 24" in size
- - Generally a simple Passive antenna
- - - Can be made Active with an add-on amplifier


#1. * Justice AM Loop Antenna (Active)

- - - discontinued

#2. * Torus Tuner 27" Loop Antenna (Passive)

- - - website gone

#3. * Select-A-Tenna Model #541M (Passive)

- - - website gone

#4. * Terk AM Advantage Loop Antenna (Passive)

- - -

#5. * RadioShack AM Loop Antanna # 15-1853 (Passive)

- - - Discontinued (Find 'used' on eBay)

* MTM Scientific AM Radio Loop Antenna (Passive)
*
- - - Starter Kit, Deluxe Kit or Finished Antenna!

* * * Home made 'Box' AM Loop Antennas
- Usually 20" to 24" in size
- - Generally a simple Passive antenna
- - - Can be made Active with an add-on amplifier


NOTE: Beyond $100 in the $200 to $400 range are the

#1.a. Kiwa MW Air Loop Antenna

#1.b. Quantum Loop Antennas

. . . #3. Palomar Loop Antenna


Basic Wire Back Yard Loop Antennas
Full-wave loops are very popular antennas. They are especially useful on 80 and 40 meters where they perform well at modest heights. These are closed loops that are one full wavelength long. Horizontal loops may be fed at any convenient spot. For best performance, make your horizontal loop into a square, especially if it is to be used on several bands.


K9AY: How to Build the K9AY Loop Receiving Antenna
AY Technologies Antennas by K9AY. Excellent Antenna for Medium Wave Frequency DXing.


Six Foot Square by Six Turn Loop Antenna
New Mid-Size Loop Antenna by Graham Maynard with Matching Balanced Amplifier: Frequency Range 50KHz - 5000KHz.


Ten Foot Receiveing Loop for Low-Frequency DXing
A Page out of VE7SL's Note Book. This 10 Ft. Air-Core Receiving Loop was originally designed and constructed for NDB DXing and now is used for LOWFER DX work.



Dave's HomeMade Loop Antennas
This is the loop antenna my dad built in 1958. Although I was only 8 years old at the time, I knew what this was for and how it worked. WebSite/Pages produced by Dave Schmarder Page Contributed by radiohighfreq


4 Foot Box loop antenna
Heres a 4 foot loop project by Bruce


ATL-3 Loop Antenna by Graham Maynard (UK)
Loop & Amp Project: ATL-3 Loop Windings are in the Shape of a Five 26" Sided Spiral


Alt-Azimuth Wooden "HOOP LOOP" Antenna by Linus
The Great Pumpkin" Speaks on "How To Make" a Loop Antenna from a Wooden Embroidery Hoop. Read the Exciting Saga of his journey in to the Kingdom of Hooppy-Looppy-Dom presented by RadioIntel.Com.


DXers Tool Box - DIY - Tuned Loop Antenna
The DXers Tool Box "How To Build" a Tuned Loop Antenna = How can you vastly improve your Medium Wave reception? The antenna consists of an LC (tuning) circuit formed by the air-core loop and a tuning capacitor.


Embrodary Loops
While these loop are for crafts, they can be a craft of art for improved AM radio reception!


Hard Core DXing
Here's what nordic dx has to offer in their discription of loops in this website


K5DKZ - Three Foot Box Loop Antenna Kit
Complete Parts and Plans for a 3 Ft Box Loop Antenna "Kit" ~$85+SH


KIT -by- MTM Scientific, Inc. -for- AM Radio DX Loop Antenna
KIT =//= Designed to Build an AM/MW Radio DX Loop Antenna =//= Offered by MTM Scientific =//= Deluxe Loop Antenna Kit: Includes ALL the Hardware for Building this AM/MW Radio DX Loop Antenna.


Long LoopStick Antenna for MW DXing
Wound on a Three (3) Foot Length of PVC pipe, the "Long LoopStick Antenna" was an experiment to try to improve AM radio reception without using a long wire or ground.


TL Loop Receiving Antenna 10 KHz - 30 MHz
The principle of operation is that an rf voltage appears across the terminals of a loop when it is placed in an electromagnetic field. The voltage is proportional to frequency for a given field strength and so at Very Low Frequencies the voltage is very small and requires greater amplification but it is not quite as simple as that. The new TL Loop uses a unique feedback system to optimise the amplification/noise factor over a much wider range than has been possible hitherto.



W2BRI Xmit Loops Contributed by n3hkn
Ham Radio xmitting loops. Detailed plans and reports from Hams experiences. Typical cost is $50 for pipe, capacitor, motor.


"AM Loop Antenna Calculator" - by Bruce Carter
Here is a Great Tool for those Loop Antenna => "What Ifs...."


"Loop Antennas 101" Read This First
Minnesota DX Club's Loop Antenna's web page that is a 'Must Read' =Says It All= A Starting Point Class 101- - - TOPICS: Principles of the Loop Antenna - What is a Loop and Why Use It - Construction Principles - What Can I Use a Loop For - Loops Another Look - Pictures of Home Built PVC loops - Loop Links


* NEW => 2002 AM Loop Antenna Construction "Tips" by Bruce Carter
Introduction / Why Another Loop Antenna Page? / Mathematics of Rectangular Loop Antennas / Construction Articles / Loop Antenna (and Related) Links


Loop Antennas at Hard Core DX
TABLE: Number of Turns -v- Size of Loop in the Middle of this webpage.


Loops and Rods =&= The Ferrite Rod Antenna
Theory / Formulas / Drawings = The use of a small Magnetic Loop as an antenna. The ferrite has the effect of intensifying the magnetic field inside the loop.


Modify the common AM Radio Loop Antenna
Hard-Core DX & Nordic DX = Topics: Install Larger Ferrite Rod - Fix External Antenna -Add a Long Wire - Or a Loop - Construct it - Connect it - Add an Amplifier. Presented by Bruce Carter


Sensitivity of Multi Turn Receiving Loops
LWCA - Multi turn wire loops are often used as low frequency receiving antennas. Basic electromagnetic theory is developed here as it relates to electrically small multi-turn loops at low frequencies. - Presented by William E. Payne, N4YWK


Using the Small Loop Antenna by Joe Carr
DXing.Com presents Joe Carr's Radio Tech Notes: Eight Page PDF Document provided by Universal-Radio.Com



How to Get Better AM Radio Reception
Features Loop Antennas and much more. The Antenna is 90% of Your Radio. Still Need More Signal? Try a Better Antenna.


Introduction to Broadcast Band AM/BCB/MW DXing
The International Radio Club of America (IRCA) WebPages



** Radio-Antenna-PRO ** H.Hertz-Forum
Remember you may need some Russian Text software for this groupThe international forum for radioengineers, scientists and hams. All about radioelectronics, radiocommunications, radiophysics, electrodynamics. About 250 members from 20 countries. In Russian language. Very active. Lot of interesting researches and discussions.



Radio DXing with The Interference Problem
This is great for that annoying problem you have with your loop antenna, and you may think its the loop, think again it could be that messed up street light, next doors dimmer switch, and other something else you can't probably solve with just a loop antenna.



"3805er" 80-Meter balanced coax loop
Small shielded rx only loop for 80 meters


Magnetic Loop Antennas Receiving - by W8JI
This WebPage's Topic Are: - Small Receiving Loops - Loop Antenna Fields - Dipole Antenna Fields - Radiation - Loop Shielding and Balance - by W8JI


Radiation and Fields (Magnetic Loop Antennas) - by W8JI
This WebPage's Topic Are: - Electric Field - Magnetic Field - ElectroMagnetic Field - Near the Antenna - Losses - Near Field - Fresnel Zone - Farfield - Summary - by W8JI


Shielded-Loop Receiving Antenna by N5FC
Shielded-Loop antennas have some nice properties that make them desirable as portable receiving antennas.


Antique Electronic Supply
A sorts of older variable tuning capacitors for your loop antenna that needs one bad.


Fair Radio Sales
A wide variety of electronic components, radios, and variable capacitors for your loop antenna


Ocean State Electronics
Rhode Island's best selection for a wide variety of the best tuning capacitors for reasonable price, tell them that electronicdx (Adam Ebel) sent you.


The Crystal Set Society
Here are some capacitor available from a club that devotes to Crystal Set Radio


The Surplus Sales of Nebraska
This surplus store based in the state of Nebraska, has the one you might need, but they have minumim order policy



Dan Small Parts and Kits
Dan's wide selection from Canada.



American Science and Surplus
A big spool of wire here just about for AM


DigiKey.com
For ribbon cable and other sorts of wire.


Femco Magnet Wire
Femco Magnet Wire is a joint venture company that has been supplying round insulated copper magnet (winding) wire to the transplant market since 1988.


Litz-Wire,com
Welcome to Litz-Wire.com!


MCM electronics
They do sell wire and magnet wire here


MWS Industries
A place for all sorts of wire for business and industry


Magnet Wire from Radio Shack
This is what I use often


Mouser Electronics
Mouser has the biggest spools here for a great price, that makes sense


Ocean State Electronics
magnet wire at a good price


WIRE "Flex-Weave" Antenna Wire
"Flex-Weave" is a hybrid aerial wire that consists of 168 strands of woven #36 solid copper wires that provide high strength and extreme flexibility. The most popular version of "Flex-Weave" is the 'equivalent' of #14 AWG wire size. It can be 'used' for unsupported spans up to 200 ft (100-150 ft in areas with high ice and wind loading).


WIRE "QuietFlex" Antenna Wire by Antennas & More: Insulated, Strong, Flexible and Durable
"QuietFlex" Antenna Wire by Antennas & More: "QuietFlex" #14 AWG Wire has more than 41 Strands tightly twisted together under its Flexible Insulation making it both Strong, Flexible and Durable.


Scanning, Ham Radio and Public Safety Resources
- Links to the various webpages with resources for the Ham Radio Operator and Scanning Enthusiast. Resources such as; Monitoring Police and Fire Communications, What Antennas to use, Secret Scanner Frequencies, Radio Programming Software, Radio Mods and Operating Tips, Professional resources for Public Safety Management, Guidance and Self-Help.


Amidon Ferrite rods, bars, plates, and tubes.


Bytemark Ferrite rods, bars, plates, and tubes.

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I need schematic for wl 500 to. Thanks Railroad

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Hello Andrew

When I first installed the AOR the noise floor was very high around -40 dBM, I put this down to the fact I had the aerial mounted close to the house because of the "short" control cable. When I shut down most of the house electrics the noise dropped to around -83 dBM. My standard 1530 loop mounted 55 ft from the house has -98 dBM in normal operation. The 1010 loop will actually be better than that, but the 1530 is a better comparision for the AOR.

My radio with no antenna connected shows -130 dBM with all the house electrics on.

I then mounted a second 1530 alongside the AOR and had readings of -83 dBM ( AOR ) & -90 dBM ( Welbrook ) I did use a number of ferrite choke cores on the AOR but they made no difference.

The tuning of the AOR is very very sharp, which is fine IF you know the frequency you want if not it's a real pain. The preset frequency ranges given by the control box are ok, with an option to use the antenna in broadband mode which I found to be useless. I was told that the AOR uses a series of band pass / cut off filters to achive it's "tuning" , if that is correct then they work reasonably well.

Because of the very sharp tunning I did not find IMD to be an issue, but then if the antenna is deaf IMD is automatically less of an issue.

Remember that the control cable supplies power to the antenna and with no power the antenna will not function at all, I do not complain about that, but I was unable to discover if a longer control cable is available or the wiring configuration of the cable ( supplied by Buffalo ). So a longer control cable might be a challenge, unless you cut and splice.

Compared to the 1530 the AOR was seriously deaf, so bad was it I thought I had an installation problem and double checked my work.

I have a couple of very experienced ham radio enthusiasts near me, who know more about aerials than I ever will and I invited them over to see if my findings were correct. They were as surprised at just how bad the AOR was, I say again perhaps I had a bad unit.

Given that the AOR is deaf right out of the box, then having to mount the aerial within the electrical field of the house because of the short control cable makes the aerial unusable. I must repeat again that perhaps I had a bad unit, I do hope I did because this is not the sort of product I would expect from AOR let alone for the very high UK price.

This is just my personal experience of the AOR.

Kind regards

Stephen

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Hello

For those who may be interested, I have now had the chance to try this aerial.

The good news is that it is well made, the bad news is that is dreadful.
I compared it against the 7 other loop antennas I have, of which 4 are commercial, and it was the worst of the lot by a long long way.

I cannot understand AOR producing this expensive and very poorly performing antenna, perhaps I had a duff unit.

The Wellbrook or Pixel are much better at 1/3rd the cost of the AOR ( UK prices )

I cannot think why anybody would want to buy the AOR, but be aware that the control cable is only 33ft in length, this means it is unlikely you would be able to mount the aerial far enough away from the electrical field of noise created by your house / shack.

In my case I have to mount all loops a minimum of 50ft from the house which meant for my tests I had to shutdown 90% +? of the house electrics? to create a similar environment.

This post is for general information only, AOR have done good things over the years but this aerial is not one of them.

Regards to all

Stephen

Sometime AL4 was used like coupled coil for a large loop antenna.You could change time costant of SPR4 AGC changing value of condenser as stated in manual. I have 2 SPR4 and are my funniest radios; better than my "serious" Collins and EKD's.

Ciao

Alan...It is called a small loop because its size is small relative to
one wavelength on the frequency of operation.


Regards.Steve VE9SF


On 11/9/2014 8:51 PM, 'Silverfox' alan.r.hill@... [loopantennas]
wrote:

If that is small, I wonder what large is?

73,

Alan - W6ARH





From: loopantennas@... [mailto:loopantennas@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:20 AM
To: loopantennas@...
Subject: Re: [loopantennas] small loops phasing with 2 channel Afedri SDR and Linrad adaptive beamforming





Andrew,



the circumference of the loops is aprroximately 12 meters. Distance between them about 9 meters.

The setup is neither broadside nor endfire, just a random temporary location close to a building.



The pattern is completely unpredictable because of proximity o metal objects. But the smart software did it job and found a null to cancel the noise.



Regards



Piotr, SP2BPD



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Andrew,