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Re: [LagoonOwners] Spring in Lagoon 380(#411) Guest Head Door Handle Broke

 

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Cheap Short term solution,

Take the handle apart, it may be possible to replace the spring with some strong chock cord (eg 10mm dia), easily adjustable, but cord will probably need to be replaced in a few months to years.

Obviously also depends on particular handle design but this stopped my door unlatching and flapping around while at sea.

Kingsley

L470


On 15/02/2018 7:20 AM, Craig Simmons craig@... [lagooncatowners] wrote:

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Mine both went.?

Fitted small cabin? hook (a bit like this one but with a shorter arm) to the inside door frame and door.?



Problem solved.?

Cheers

Craig

On 14 February 2018 at 17:10, bbiba@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:
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Does anyone happen to know the correct part #? Or any good alternatives/workarounds? The latch no longer springs back under the weight of the handle.


Thanks,

Brett




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Craig Simmons
0773 980 3047?|?craig@...




Re: [LagoonOwners] Spring in Lagoon 380(#411) Guest Head Door Handle Broke

 

Mine both went.?

Fitted small cabin? hook (a bit like this one but with a shorter arm) to the inside door frame and door.?



Problem solved.?

Cheers

Craig

On 14 February 2018 at 17:10, bbiba@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:
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Does anyone happen to know the correct part #? Or any good alternatives/workarounds? The latch no longer springs back under the weight of the handle.


Thanks,

Brett




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Craig Simmons
0773 980 3047?|?craig@...



Re: [LagoonOwners] Replacement propane pigtail (hose)

Rob
 

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If your fittings are still in decent shape, go to your local hose shop and have them put a new flex hose on the fittings
Or, the local propane supply company might have the fittings you are after and will often make or sell hoses.

-Rob



On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:14 AM, sdb0512@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:


I need to replace the orange pigtail propane hose in the propane locker that runs from the propane tank to the propane inlet at the bottom of the propane locker.? This is the one that has the sticker of "Replace after 6 years".

The hose is about 21 inches in length.? The end going into the propane tank regulator valve has a female connector with a 17mm nut.? Other end is male with a 19mm nut.

Beneteau Spares in Marion SC no longer carries this replacement - discontinued.? And I can't find a source after many searches.

Any help greatly appreciated!

(pic is attached)


Thanks!

Steve

s/v Mimi - 2004 L380 #289 - Myrtle Beach SC






Re: Bahamas entry fees

 

Well reasoned argument against the outrageous fees.
If enough of us boycotted the Bahamas for only one season, the fees would come down to a reasonable amount. The Bahamian people benefit from us even if there were no fee. The Bahamian government does not need to rip us off.
The fact that some cruisers don’t mind paying too much does not mean that those of us who do need to “chill.”


Re: [LagoonOwners] Spring in Lagoon 380(#411) Guest Head Door Handle Broke

 

replacement handles are $225 from multitech.marine
or
look up a spring company on internet and send them broken spring and ask them to match it. they sent me a free sample.
Eventually the original springs in all the cabin locks all broke starting in year 7 or 8 and by yr 10 they were all done..
joe
Sea Of Love
L440 BVI

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Subject: [LagoonOwners] Spring in Lagoon 380(#411) Guest Head Door
Handle Broke
From: "bbiba@... [lagooncatowners]"
<lagooncatowners@...>
Date: Wed, February 14, 2018 1:10 pm
To: <lagooncatowners@...>

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Does anyone happen to know the correct part #? Or any good alternatives/workarounds? The latch no longer springs back under the weight of the handle.

Thanks,
Brett


Replacement propane pigtail (hose)

 

I need to replace the orange pigtail propane hose in the propane locker that runs from the propane tank to the propane inlet at the bottom of the propane locker.? This is the one that has the sticker of "Replace after 6 years".

The hose is about 21 inches in length.? The end going into the propane tank regulator valve has a female connector with a 17mm nut.? Other end is male with a 19mm nut.

Beneteau Spares in Marion SC no longer carries this replacement - discontinued.? And I can't find a source after many searches.

Any help greatly appreciated!

(pic is attached)


Thanks!

Steve

s/v Mimi - 2004 L380 #289 - Myrtle Beach SC




Re: [LagoonOwners] Spring in Lagoon 380(#411) Guest Head Door Handle Broke

 

Brett,

Have you disassembled the mechanism to see what broke?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:10 AM, bbiba@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:
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Does anyone happen to know the correct part #? Or any good alternatives/workarounds? The latch no longer springs back under the weight of the handle.


Thanks,

Brett



Spring in Lagoon 380(#411) Guest Head Door Handle Broke

 

Does anyone happen to know the correct part #? Or any good alternatives/workarounds? The latch no longer springs back under the weight of the handle.


Thanks,

Brett


Re: [LagoonOwners] One rudder

 

Yes. On a Pro48 Sportfisher. It doesn’t work very well. Actually both rudders were installed, but the cross-link rod snapped, the rudder not connected to the hydraulic ram was just blowing in the prop wash. It was miserable and slow until we could get it repaired.

Sorry that isn’t much for info, but it is doable. Just keep you speeds down and stay out of big water where the one rudder could take a beating.

Is there a reason you have only one rudder?

Captain Bret
Sundiver Charters, Long Beach, CA

On Feb 8, 2018, at 15:13, Brian Waters captainbrian2000@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:

Anybody have any info on steering with only one rudder installed ?

Sent from my iPhone


Re: [LagoonOwners] Re: Bahamas entry fees

 

Whether you think he needs to chill out or not, the math is pretty hard to argue with.? Just because someone is ok with paying a particular fee, doesn't mean that there can't be an objective discussion about what that fee entails.? Both sides have made valid arguments for and against the fee and its value.? As someone that hasn't been to the Bahamas but intends to go, I appreciate all of the good information from everyone that has posted.? Its one of the things I enjoy about this group.? Lots of good information, whether I happen to agree or not.? I also like that most of the time, personal responses(attacks) aren't included.

Stuart

S/V Rum Away
Lagoon 450S #33



On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 3:59 AM, Yahoo macme8@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:
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My recommendation would be for you to avoid the Bahamas and let those who are happy with the fee enjoy it.?

Martin Cooper

On Feb 13, 2018, at 00:01, Dietmar@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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I'm sorry to disagree - on average between 2.25 - 2.75 people enter Bahamian waters per boat.

If cruise ship passengers and airline would pay the same "per person averaged entry" fee I'd be fine with that? but they do NOT.

Also the issue is not the fee per say it is the fact that they provide no chart accuracy !
You are basically paying to have a 95 % chance of hitting the ground and they are doing NOTHING about it.

The Bahamas have no income tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, or wealth tax - OK and 17% of their income comes from offhsore financial services - fine.
they are in the tropics and get hit by hurricanes - nothing new here either - you can now install virtual AIS buoys rather thna replacing the one's that wash away -? do something - New Caledonia / Australia / Florida? all get hit by hurricanes - their charts are accurate and their lights are on point for the most part !

Now let's talk about that "food stores" argument which is total rubbish too - they import 80% of their total food consumption - because they have to with 45 % of their GDP coming from TOURISM?
- which food actually get's produced in the Bahamas ?
You want a bloody mary - you need tomato juice - pepper - Worcestershire sauce - celery - hard to gro on sand ..
?
Agriculture and fisheries industry together account for 5% of GDP -
They produce 3 things chickens citrus fruit and Lobsters ( which they export ) with some local fruits
The government officially lists beef and pork production and processing, fruits and nuts, dairy production, winter vegetables, and mariculture (shrimp farming) as the areas in which it wishes to encourage foreign investment.

If the food comes from the USA orn your vessel it has been already authorized and been inspected by the FDA. It has alreay also been imported to all the hotels and restaurants - you want a steak ?

OK back to my soap box -

Now let's look at the fact that a cruiser will stay on average 1 - 2 months maybe more
they will replenish their fridges with local stores and fuel oil and water and pay for taxed products especially alcohol - stay in marinas - require services visit a bar and restaurant etc - on many occasion friends will come visit and fly in thereby filling planes and bringing even more currency into the Bahamas .


Cruisers or "yachting tourism" - and the sport fishing crowd? as a whole does not require much? infrastructure - no roads no airports no hotels and certainly no logistics to support all of this ubles syou offer it - yet the average cruiser will spend 40 - 50 USD per person per day in country - greece's study on yachts favored them above all other tourists? and Fiji's study of yachts has one additional caveat - yachts are 99% compliant with local laws as they have an asset in country - airline passengers are only 75 % compliant.

So the next time you see a government official in the Bahamas PLEASE ask him for a chart and an analysis of WHAT they provide for their entrance fee other than a smile ... I'd be smiling too if the suckers keep coming and paying.

Captain Dietmar Petutschnig

Currently in Costa Rica







2016-17 Lagoon 42 owners

 

Looking for new owners of the 42 to chat about issues specific to the new lagoon?

We have Hull 142 and currently sailing all of Florida west and now up east coast.


Re: [LagoonOwners] Re: Bahamas entry fees

 

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My recommendation would be for you to avoid the Bahamas and let those who are happy with the fee enjoy it.?
Martin Cooper
+1 561 310 7489

On Feb 13, 2018, at 00:01, Dietmar@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:

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I'm sorry to disagree - on average between 2.25 - 2.75 people enter Bahamian waters per boat.

If cruise ship passengers and airline would pay the same "per person averaged entry" fee I'd be fine with that? but they do NOT.

Also the issue is not the fee per say it is the fact that they provide no chart accuracy !
You are basically paying to have a 95 % chance of hitting the ground and they are doing NOTHING about it.

The Bahamas have no income tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, or wealth tax - OK and 17% of their income comes from offhsore financial services - fine.
they are in the tropics and get hit by hurricanes - nothing new here either - you can now install virtual AIS buoys rather thna replacing the one's that wash away -? do something - New Caledonia / Australia / Florida? all get hit by hurricanes - their charts are accurate and their lights are on point for the most part !

Now let's talk about that "food stores" argument which is total rubbish too - they import 80% of their total food consumption - because they have to with 45 % of their GDP coming from TOURISM?
- which food actually get's produced in the Bahamas ?
You want a bloody mary - you need tomato juice - pepper - Worcestershire sauce - celery - hard to gro on sand ..
?
Agriculture and fisheries industry together account for 5% of GDP -
They produce 3 things chickens citrus fruit and Lobsters ( which they export ) with some local fruits
The government officially lists beef and pork production and processing, fruits and nuts, dairy production, winter vegetables, and mariculture (shrimp farming) as the areas in which it wishes to encourage foreign investment.

If the food comes from the USA orn your vessel it has been already authorized and been inspected by the FDA. It has alreay also been imported to all the hotels and restaurants - you want a steak ?

OK back to my soap box -

Now let's look at the fact that a cruiser will stay on average 1 - 2 months maybe more
they will replenish their fridges with local stores and fuel oil and water and pay for taxed products especially alcohol - stay in marinas - require services visit a bar and restaurant etc - on many occasion friends will come visit and fly in thereby filling planes and bringing even more currency into the Bahamas .


Cruisers or "yachting tourism" - and the sport fishing crowd? as a whole does not require much? infrastructure - no roads no airports no hotels and certainly no logistics to support all of this ubles syou offer it - yet the average cruiser will spend 40 - 50 USD per person per day in country - greece's study on yachts favored them above all other tourists? and Fiji's study of yachts has one additional caveat - yachts are 99% compliant with local laws as they have an asset in country - airline passengers are only 75 % compliant.

So the next time you see a government official in the Bahamas PLEASE ask him for a chart and an analysis of WHAT they provide for their entrance fee other than a smile ... I'd be smiling too if the suckers keep coming and paying.

Captain Dietmar Petutschnig

Currently in Costa Rica






Re: Bahamas entry fees

 

Wow, I'd say that you certainly have some issues.
With all that baggage you're carrying you'd be better off simply avoiding the Bahamas altogether and leave those islands to those of us who would rather enjoy the their beauty of their people than put a lot of negative energy on their GDP. Chill dude!


Re: Bahamas entry fees

 

I'm sorry to disagree - on average between 2.25 - 2.75 people enter Bahamian waters per boat.

If cruise ship passengers and airline would pay the same "per person averaged entry" fee I'd be fine with that? but they do NOT.

Also the issue is not the fee per say it is the fact that they provide no chart accuracy !
You are basically paying to have a 95 % chance of hitting the ground and they are doing NOTHING about it.

The Bahamas have no income tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, or wealth tax - OK and 17% of their income comes from offhsore financial services - fine.
they are in the tropics and get hit by hurricanes - nothing new here either - you can now install virtual AIS buoys rather thna replacing the one's that wash away -? do something - New Caledonia / Australia / Florida? all get hit by hurricanes - their charts are accurate and their lights are on point for the most part !

Now let's talk about that "food stores" argument which is total rubbish too - they import 80% of their total food consumption - because they have to with 45 % of their GDP coming from TOURISM?
- which food actually get's produced in the Bahamas ?
You want a bloody mary - you need tomato juice - pepper - Worcestershire sauce - celery - hard to gro on sand ..
?
Agriculture and fisheries industry together account for 5% of GDP -
They produce 3 things chickens citrus fruit and Lobsters ( which they export ) with some local fruits
The government officially lists beef and pork production and processing, fruits and nuts, dairy production, winter vegetables, and mariculture (shrimp farming) as the areas in which it wishes to encourage foreign investment.

If the food comes from the USA orn your vessel it has been already authorized and been inspected by the FDA. It has alreay also been imported to all the hotels and restaurants - you want a steak ?

OK back to my soap box -

Now let's look at the fact that a cruiser will stay on average 1 - 2 months maybe more
they will replenish their fridges with local stores and fuel oil and water and pay for taxed products especially alcohol - stay in marinas - require services visit a bar and restaurant etc - on many occasion friends will come visit and fly in thereby filling planes and bringing even more currency into the Bahamas .


Cruisers or "yachting tourism" - and the sport fishing crowd? as a whole does not require much? infrastructure - no roads no airports no hotels and certainly no logistics to support all of this ubles syou offer it - yet the average cruiser will spend 40 - 50 USD per person per day in country - greece's study on yachts favored them above all other tourists? and Fiji's study of yachts has one additional caveat - yachts are 99% compliant with local laws as they have an asset in country - airline passengers are only 75 % compliant.

So the next time you see a government official in the Bahamas PLEASE ask him for a chart and an analysis of WHAT they provide for their entrance fee other than a smile ... I'd be smiling too if the suckers keep coming and paying.

Captain Dietmar Petutschnig

Currently in Costa Rica






Re: Reefing - don't forget the lines as well as the blocks/fairlead

 

Thanks Tim. Thats a viable solution. ?

Reef line chafe at the tack has not been so much problem compared to chafe at the clew and specifically where the reef line enters the sheave wheels and rubs on the cheek plates. ?I think I will take a dremmel tool and grind/polish this down. ?I have secured a plastic strip between the line and cheek at the tack end - so far this has worked with the heaving reef line on it. ?

Its interesting you use a strop at the tack. ?You have me now considering this method for the clew - securing a quick disconnect strop around the clew and boom end followed by tightening up on the halyard. ?Yes it would mean a risky climb to the boom end to fit it, but in the event of deteriorating weather I would be lowering/reefing the sail further ,not up, and could just maintain the hold with the reef line, so not as risky as one would think. ?

In recent times, Ive replaced my 1st and 2nd reef lines with additional length, so as to cut off the last bit in event of chafing that I haven't reacted to in time. ?

Steve


Re: [LagoonOwners] Re: Reefing - don't forget the lines as well as the blocks/fairlead

 

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We have the same chafing issue on the L400. 21 days across the Pacific was a chafe nightmare... Another L400 owner in Tahiti showed me his solution: he filed back the aluminum on the boom to give more clearance for the reefing lines. ?I decided not to use the reefing lines at all on the tack end and instead made a spectra strop (~0.5m loop) that I use with a heavy quick release snap shackle to connect the tack reef point to the mast/boom. It forces me to go forward to the mast to do it, but is much more effective and easy in the end. It also ends up giving a more reliable sail shape (with one reef line pulling down both the tack and clew, the higher loads on the clew would cause the tack side block to pull down into the boom while the clew side loosened). Worked great across the South Pacific... up to the Marshall Islands and back.?

Tim

On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Steve Poulson spoulson77@... [lagooncatowners] <lagooncatowners@...> wrote:

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Hi Vin

Regarding your comment "You still need to be very careful as the reef lines exit the front of the mast, you must have them come vertically straight up to the fairlead on the tack and then back down through the fairlead on the mast (here is where a block could help). You must constantly check for chafe at the mast."

I agree totally about the use of blocks (we have changed all points on our?mainsail to blocks (Harken 75's)). ?However the chafing at the tack and clew as the reef lines enter the boom and?their?respective sheave wheels, remains a problem - reef lines rubbing on the boom frame of the sheave wheel block. On passages, I daily inspect for such chafe and make various adjustments to reduce line?chafing to varying?degrees of success. Its more?manageable at the tack end (straight up and down) as I have inserted a plastic strip to?reduce this line chafe as the sail shifts with wind and the reef line heaves. ?I?haven't a good idea yet for the aft end of the boom. ?

So, Im on the hunt for some clever ways as to reduce such chafing at these two points? ?

Steve
Emerald Sea / Lagoon 450


Re: Reefing - don't forget the lines as well as the blocks/fairlead

Steve Poulson
 

Hi Vin

Regarding your comment "You still need to be very careful as the reef lines exit the front of the mast, you must have them come vertically straight up to the fairlead on the tack and then back down through the fairlead on the mast (here is where a block could help). You must constantly check for chafe at the mast."

I agree totally about the use of blocks (we have changed all points on our?mainsail to blocks (Harken 75's)). ?However the chafing at the tack and clew as the reef lines enter the boom and?their?respective sheave wheels, remains a problem - reef lines rubbing on the boom frame of the sheave wheel block. On passages, I daily inspect for such chafe and make various adjustments to reduce line?chafing to varying?degrees of success. Its more?manageable at the tack end (straight up and down) as I have inserted a plastic strip to?reduce this line chafe as the sail shifts with wind and the reef line heaves. ?I?haven't a good idea yet for the aft end of the boom. ?

So, Im on the hunt for some clever ways as to reduce such chafing at these two points? ?

Steve
Emerald Sea / Lagoon 450


Re: reef point - blocks or low friction rings?

Vin Ratford
 

All the points about the fairleads and blocks are spot on. Even with that, you need to have reefing lines that can handle the loads and friction when loaded up. The factory installed gear is crap. Ask any delivery captain (they bring their own gear and install the factory lines after delivery).

As a 450F owner since 2013, I have replaced the reefing lines after my first offshore sail to BVI with new gear made by RigPro. The original reefing lines chafed through or broke at the point where they went through the fairlead (donut shaped). One might say that we did not set them properly but all 3 failed and multiple times.

I did not replace the fairlead with blocks nevertheless I would recommend it. If you don’t then my gear can handle the loads and chafe of the fairleads. I am 3 years into using them and they solve the problem, no wear or chafe issues and they have been in some heavy weather. You still need to be very careful as the reef lines exit the front of the mast, you must have them come vertically straight up to the fairlead on the tack and then back down through the fairlead on the mast (here is where a block could help). You must constantly check for chafe at the mast.

For those of you considering replacing the lines here is what RigPro made for me which are much stronger than the factory installed and they put a Dyneema Chafe Sleeve on the last 10 feet so that when the line goes through the fairlead, the dyneema which is low friction and much stronger protects the line. Not cheap but worth every penny. This is what the offshore racers use.

Vin Ratford
L450F #277 GEM


Reefing - don't forget the lines as well as the blocks/fairlead

Vin Ratford
 

All the points about the fairleads and blocks are spot on. Even with that, you need to have reefing lines that can handle the loads and friction when loaded up. The factory installed gear is crap. Ask any delivery captain (they bring their own gear and install the factory lines after delivery).

As a 450F owner since 2013, I have replaced the reefing lines after my first offshore sail to BVI with new gear made by RigPro. The original reefing lines chafed through or broke at the point where they went through the fairlead (donut shaped). One might say that we did not set them properly but all 3 failed and multiple times.

I did not replace the fairlead with blocks nevertheless I would recommend it. If you don’t then my gear can handle the loads and chafe of the fairleads. I am 3 years into using them and they solve the problem, no wear or chafe issues and they have been in some heavy weather. You still need to be very careful as the reef lines exit the front of the mast, you must have them come vertically straight up to the fairlead on the tack and then back down through the fairlead on the mast (here is where a block could help). You must constantly check for chafe at the mast.

For those of you considering replacing the lines here is what RigPro made for me which are much stronger than the factory installed and they put a Dyneema Chafe Sleeve on the last 10 feet so that when the line goes through the fairlead, the dyneema which is low friction and much stronger protects the line. Not cheap but worth every penny. This is what the offshore racers use.

Vin Ratford
L450F #277 GEM


Re: reef point - blocks or low friction rings?

 

I had a new mainsail made by North Sails in Antigua a couple of years ago. They installed low friction rings for the reef lines one each at the clew and tack ends. I often sailed with the first reef while in the Caribbean and found no issues with reefing.

Chris and Pam WIld
aboard Wildcat (Lagoon 380 hull 85)