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I've been seeing listing on eBay for sound decoders from XL Systems Inc. I've never heard of them. Are they supported by JMRI? ? Any comments on quality of electronics or sound? ?
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Might help if you posted a link to the item on eBay.
John
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From: Richard Stern <rjs8@...>
Date: August 28, 2019 at 5:59 PM
I've been seeing listing on eBay for sound decoders from XL Systems Inc. I've
never heard of them. Are they supported by JMRI? ? Any comments on quality of
electronics or sound?
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Here's one item number I found
123885233171
Not impressed.?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 5:03 PM John < jonie41@...> wrote: Might help if you posted a link to the item on eBay.
John
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> I've been seeing listing on eBay for sound decoders from XL Systems Inc. I've
> never heard of them. Are they supported by JMRI? ? Any comments on quality of
> electronics or sound?
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It was relisted.?233324627381
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Any decoder with a blob of black epoxy I stay away from.
Learned that in my early days of DCC.
It's cheap for a reason.
John
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From: John Griffin <johng.sst@...>
Date: August 28, 2019 at 8:35 PM
Here's one item number I found
123885233171
Not impressed.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 5:03 PM John <jonie41@...> wrote:
Might help if you posted a link to the item on eBay.
John
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From: Richard Stern <rjs8@...>
Date: August 28, 2019 at 5:59 PM
I've been seeing listing on eBay for sound decoders from XL Systems Inc. I've
never heard of them. Are they supported by JMRI? Any comments on quality of
electronics or sound?
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John Griffin
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The look like MRC decoders to me.
Steve Lowens
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I'd stay far away.? Googling the UPC they have listed turns up an MRC decoder with a different form factor. Something's definitely fishy...
Steve
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Hmm, different seller to the previous item number, and it is a different item to the
previous one as well.
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As to the epoxy covered blobs, Chip On Board (COB) is fine if done correctly, and is
especially useful if putting a chip with a lot of connections in a small space.
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] XL Systems Inc.
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It was relisted.?233324627381
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Searching within eBay for "ho dcc sound decoder with speaker for proto 2000" hits a bunch of these with different form factors. All about $30-$40.?
Going back to my original question, does JMRI support XL decoders? ?
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I have purchased 5 of these decoders from the seller. XL manufactures the decoders for MRC and come with full warranty , basic instructions shipped in static free bag and return policy is 9$ return shipping. He and 1 other seller are selling these. I put sound in all my Kato F7¡¯s for 30$ each is what he accepted my offer. They are drop in as the only thing that had to be done was remove the 6 mins on the top of the chassis to get the board to sit fully down as with other decoders to slide into the contact areas correctly. But I¡¯m happy so far. Just thought I¡¯d chime in. I model N scale.?
On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 6:34 AM, Richard Stern <rjs8@...> wrote: Searching within eBay for "ho dcc sound decoder with speaker for proto 2000" hits a bunch of these with different form factors. All about $30-$40.?
Going back to my original question, does JMRI support XL decoders? ?
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Jim,
So do they identify themselves as MRC or something else in DecoderPro?
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
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Wire bonding can be as good as any other packaging technique, but I agree, only the most cost sensitive manufactures seem to use it. The first time I saw it used on one my microcontrollers was in an RCA branded universal remote that I picked up at the nearby Walmart for $7 after we heard it was in there. They had used the cheapest, single sided PCB you can imagine and chosen to purchase the micros from our distributor as bare die and wire bond them to the circuit board. By the way, I've always known the official name for the black blob of epoxy is pookey, but that may be a colloquialism like way car or hack or cabin. ;-)
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Have fun,
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Chris Atkins
Argyle, TX
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On 8/29/19 2:13 AM, Alan B. Pearce wrote:
Hmm, different seller to the previous item number, and it is a different item to the previous one as well.
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As to the epoxy covered blobs, Chip On Board (COB) is fine if done correctly, and is especially useful if putting a chip with a lot of connections in a small space.
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On 8/28/19 6:56 PM, John wrote:
Any decoder with a blob of black epoxy I stay away from.
Learned that in my early days of DCC.
It's cheap for a reason.
John
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That I have not looked at yet. Just installed and tested on short track but didn¡¯t set them up in decoderpro. If I get some time in the next day or so I¡¯ll have to check and will post results. But they work fine and sound great. No complaints yet and plan on buying from again but 5 at 1 time still gets expensive when you have 4o locos to do.?
On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 10:14 AM, Ken Cameron <kcameron@...> wrote: Jim,
So do they identify themselves as MRC or something else in DecoderPro?
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org
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Well looked at it today and it does list mrc but I do n scale and I read decoder from decoder pro and it came up as HO decoder ALCO and EMD locos probably 10 different kinds which is strange to me. I¡¯m not savvy with pro yet but when I brought up and selected mrc and read decoder it went back to HO decoder and listed those locos again. Not sure if it¡¯s just generic program or what. But someone probably could change listing I don¡¯t know but I know I have no complaints with sound or install and if you email him thru eBay he will respond promptly for more info. Hopefully this helps.?
On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 5:42 PM, jim green via Groups.Io <jimgreen150@...> wrote:
That I have not looked at yet. Just installed and tested on short track but didn¡¯t set them up in decoderpro. If I get some time in the next day or so I¡¯ll have to check and will post results. But they work fine and sound great. No complaints yet and plan on buying from again but 5 at 1 time still gets expensive when you have 4o locos to do.? On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 10:14 AM, Ken Cameron <kcameron@...> wrote: Jim,
So do they identify themselves as MRC or something else in DecoderPro?
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org
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Jim, On 31 Aug 2019, at 4:36 AM, jim green via Groups.Io <jimgreen150@...> wrote:
Well looked at it today and it does list mrc but I do n scale and I read decoder from decoder pro and it came up as HO decoder ALCO and EMD locos probably 10 different kinds which is strange to me. I¡¯m not savvy with pro yet but when I brought up and selected mrc and read decoder it went back to HO decoder and listed those locos again. Many decoder manufacturers do not provide enough CV-accessible information to enable DecoderPro to uniquely identify a decoder, so JMRI has no option but to try to narrow the list and let the user make the final choice. If the decoder definitions in JMRI don't have an N scale option it may mean that the there is no programming difference between the HO and N versions (but in this case it would be normal to omit any reference to scale in the name. Dave in Australia
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I looked at my NCE program and it said manufacturer 143 and decoder version 0 I don¡¯t know if this makes a difference either.?
On Friday, August 30, 2019, 5:13 PM, Dave Heap <dgheap@...> wrote: Jim, > On 31 Aug 2019, at 4:36 AM, jim green via Groups.Io <jimgreen150= [email protected]> wrote: > > Well looked at it today and it does list mrc but I do n scale and I read decoder from decoder pro and it came up as HO decoder ALCO and EMD locos probably 10 different kinds which is strange to me. I¡¯m not savvy with pro yet but when I brought up and selected mrc and read decoder it went back to HO decoder and listed those locos again. Many decoder manufacturers do not provide enough CV-accessible information to enable DecoderPro to uniquely identify a decoder, so JMRI has no option but to try to narrow the list and let the user make the final choice. If the decoder definitions in JMRI don't have an N scale option it may mean that the there is no programming difference between the HO and N versions (but in this case it would be normal to omit any reference to scale in the name. Dave in Australia
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Jim, On 31 Aug 2019, at 7:57 AM, jim green via Groups.Io <jimgreen150@...> wrote:
I looked at my NCE program and it said manufacturer 143 and decoder version 0 I don¡¯t know if this makes a difference either. ManufacturerID is MRC. (Model Rectifier Corporation) Since you get multiple matches for version 0 it indicates that either: - there is no MRC decoder with a VersionID of 0. - there are multiple MRC decoders with a VersionID of 0. - MRC hasn't made available enough information for us to make a unique VersionID to Model Name map. - MRC doesn't use VersionID. - The decoder you have isn't a genuine MRC decoder. Dave in Australia
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He said he designs and manufactures for MRC Corp. that¡¯s what he has told me and I have a bad mrc sound decoder and it looks just like them. But I didn¡¯t compare components but same blob on the component as mrc. I should send that one in for repair and wait to hear what happens?
On Friday, August 30, 2019, 7:50 PM, Dave Heap <dgheap@...> wrote: Jim, > On 31 Aug 2019, at 7:57 AM, jim green via Groups.Io <jimgreen150= [email protected]> wrote: > > I looked at my NCE program and it said manufacturer 143 and decoder version 0 I don¡¯t know if this makes a difference either. ManufacturerID is MRC. (Model Rectifier Corporation) Since you get multiple matches for version 0 it indicates that either: - there is no MRC decoder with a VersionID of 0. - there are multiple MRC decoders with a VersionID of 0. - MRC hasn't made available enough information for us to make a unique VersionID to Model Name map. - MRC doesn't use VersionID. - The decoder you have isn't a genuine MRC decoder. Dave in Australia
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jim green
Ken Cameron