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Resurrection of a layout


 

Gentlemen and if there’s any ladies here,
? ? I have taken on the task of resurrecting a world class layout for a friend that has been dormant for a number of years. This is a really involved undertaking as the layout was setup with JMRI. It is controlled turnouts and signals as well all detection through a series of digitrax and Team digital hardware. My issue comes from the original owner and builder of the layout has passed away and left the layout to his cousin. The layout has remained where it was built and still operates somewhat but, not to the level it was before he passed. The computer that everything is setup on is on its last leg operating on XP. JMRI ver 3.16 I believe. I am gonna replace the computer and obviously it will be JMRI 5.10 at least as well as a windows 11 machine. Can anyone give me a little guidance pulling all the setup into the new machine? I’ve backed everything up the best I can tell on thumb drives and working with win 10 at home just to try and get a feel for integration. Sorry this is so long winded I wanted to offer the back story so there was an understanding what I’m up against. The layout is running and operating but the integration to a newer machine and software is where I’m stumbling a little.
Thanks for any help
Chris Stephens


 

If your friend is going to make it a long term Layout and Hobby. Start with the Latest JMRI and build it from scratch. There are a lot of
changes and advancements.
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It is like using Excel. Spending all the time trying to piece together the Excel formulas. Had you just written things out on paper you would
have been finished hours ago.
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Inobu


 

Chris,

A couple of years ago I helped a local layout owner upgrade from JMRI 3.8 to JMRI 5.2. ?We used the "big bang" approach.

A new machine is configured with the latest Java and JMRI and started as a completely new JMRI install. ?For most people, the important data is the layout config xml data file (aka panel file) and the individual roster xml files in the roster directory. ?


Dave Sand



----- Original message -----
From: "Leaving DC behind via groups.io" <chris_stephens32=[email protected]>
Subject: [jmriusers] Resurrection of a layout
Date: Sunday, March 02, 2025 4:56 PM

Gentlemen and if there’s any ladies here,
? ? I have taken on the task of resurrecting a world class layout for a friend that has been dormant for a number of years. This is a really involved undertaking as the layout was setup with JMRI. It is controlled turnouts and signals as well all detection through a series of digitrax and Team digital hardware. My issue comes from the original owner and builder of the layout has passed away and left the layout to his cousin. The layout has remained where it was built and still operates somewhat but, not to the level it was before he passed. The computer that everything is setup on is on its last leg operating on XP. JMRI ver 3.16 I believe. I am gonna replace the computer and obviously it will be JMRI 5.10 at least as well as a windows 11 machine. Can anyone give me a little guidance pulling all the setup into the new machine? I’ve backed everything up the best I can tell on thumb drives and working with win 10 at home just to try and get a feel for integration. Sorry this is so long winded I wanted to offer the back story so there was an understanding what I’m up against. The layout is running and operating but the integration to a newer machine and software is where I’m stumbling a little.
Thanks for any help
Chris Stephens


 

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Chris,

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With the idea of a big jump between versions, the main caveat is that you have to deal with any interesting errors that come up. They likely will be simple but solving some might take a fair amount of work. Watching the system console is critical to this to know what’s happening. Also the ability to manually edit the panel xml file to make some of the corrections might be needed. Or use it as a base and rebuild.

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How easy will depend on lots of things. Which command station? Which types of signals? Did it use how many of the different things? Are there things you would like to add?

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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Ken,

My experience is that PanelPro generally has few issues opening old xml files. ?As a test, I just did this on the 3.8 file. ?It opened with no errors or warnings. ?

The main issues relate to the evolution of settings and profiles over time. ?There tends to be a lot of junk left behind. ?The "big bang" approach eliminates these issues.

Dave Sand


----- Original message -----
From: Ken Cameron <kcameron@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Resurrection of a layout
Date: Sunday, March 02, 2025 5:58 PM

Chris,

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With the idea of a big jump between versions, the main caveat is that you have to deal with any interesting errors that come up. They likely will be simple but solving some might take a fair amount of work. Watching the system console is critical to this to know what’s happening. Also the ability to manually edit the panel xml file to make some of the corrections might be needed. Or use it as a base and rebuild.

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How easy will depend on lots of things. Which command station? Which types of signals? Did it use how many of the different things? Are there things you would like to add?

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team




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The Command station in play is a digitrax dcs 200 so it’s not ancient but is retired and no longer supported by digitrax. I am just really starting to get into this layout and really don’t know all the components in play yet and as far as the signals go they are 90% just three aspect signals not sure of brand but I would hazard to say “we honest” signals from eBay. They power up but at the moment the logic isn’t working. I don’t really want to spend a lot of time combing through this old computer and I believe it’s gonna fail any moment then it’s all for not. A lot of the hardware used is team digital which as well out of business and no longer supported. I did find documentation still for unit used. I really do appreciate the support and replies already. I honestly think this one is gonna be a long endeavor to get it back to what it was.


 

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Chris,

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The DCS200 is fine, lots are still in use. Just change the battery backup every year or three. As to what to keep or dump, make an inventory of everything, that will help. Depending on how much of what, the direction to go may change.

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I designed a JMRI system for a user with a bunch of Team Digital boards. They work ok for their time. But if thinking of replacing, LCC has some interesting options.

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What you need off that old computer is really one directory if everything was done normal back then. That’s the JMRI directory under the username home directory. I think XP used C:\Documens and Settings\loginid, so JMRI directory under that would be something you really want a copy of.

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But if somethings were done a little differently, you would want the whole JMRI directory from the C:\Program Files\JMRI, that’s the whole install of the program. If they customized some icons etc.. they might be in that directory tree instead of the one in the home directory space.

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With either of those directories, capturing the ‘session.log’ file from the last run will show all the paths used for different things.

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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Ken,?
? LCC. really does interest me a lot. I’ve talked at length with Dick and as well Detlef on multiple setups I had proposed and got working and have actually spent a substantial amount of money purchasing components from Dick and Karen to mock up multiple scenarios and get my hands and head wrapped around the system. I like the idea of the canbus network and the speed and reliability of LCC as well as cutting the extra traffic off of the LocoNet.. Thanks again Ken I’m sure we will talk again soon
Chris