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Locked Having issues connecting on closed Wifi


 

Sorry if this a repeat issue. A few weeks ago I bought a wireless router to us just for the layout (no internet connection). I had been using the house WiFi but didn't feel like handing out my password to every operator.

Installed the new router and every work?fine.I'm using a HP laptop with Windows 10.
This past weekend I had an op-session and could not get any Wi-throttles to connect to JMRI. If I switched?back to the house Wifi it worked fine. My laptop?and phones were connected to the new router. We just kept getting an "unable to connect" message on our phones.

Just now I try testing it again and same issue. Works fine with house Wifi nothing?with?the new router (NETGEAR R6080)

Thank you for your help
Bradley White
Div. 12 MCR
Superintendent?


 

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Not really enough information to narrow down a cause.? How is the new router connected to your laptop?? Have you hardwired it so it becomes just an access point for your throttles or are you connecting to it wirelessly as well?? Have you had one of those wonderful surprise Windows updates that decides it wants to screw up every one of your settings between the two operating sessions?? Lately Micro$oft has been putting my laptop into airplane mode after each update.

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Any additional information will help.

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Mike Piazza

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BRADLEY WHITE
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Having issues connecting on closed Wifi

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Sorry if this a repeat issue. A few weeks ago I bought a wireless router to us just for the layout (no internet connection). I had been using the house WiFi but didn't feel like handing out my password to every operator.

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Installed the new router and every work?fine.I'm using a HP laptop with Windows 10.

This past weekend I had an op-session and could not get any Wi-throttles to connect to JMRI. If I switched?back to the house Wifi it worked fine. My laptop?and phones were connected to the new router. We just kept getting an "unable to connect" message on our phones.

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Just now I try testing it again and same issue. Works fine with house Wifi nothing?with?the new router (NETGEAR R6080)

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Thank you for your help

Bradley White

Div. 12 MCR

Superintendent?

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Hi Mike,

Sorry about the the Router is connect to the laptop via an ether net cable. Hmm I did get an update Thursday night a day before the op-session.

What's so frustrating is nothing ever seems to work right the 1st time a try something and this did work the 1st time I tried and then it didn't work.

Thanks
Bradley White
Div. 12 MCR
Superintendent?



On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 5:39 PM Michael Piazza via Groups.Io <mpiazza2007=[email protected]> wrote:

Not really enough information to narrow down a cause.? How is the new router connected to your laptop?? Have you hardwired it so it becomes just an access point for your throttles or are you connecting to it wirelessly as well?? Have you had one of those wonderful surprise Windows updates that decides it wants to screw up every one of your settings between the two operating sessions?? Lately Micro$oft has been putting my laptop into airplane mode after each update.

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Any additional information will help.

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Mike Piazza

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BRADLEY WHITE
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Having issues connecting on closed Wifi

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Sorry if this a repeat issue. A few weeks ago I bought a wireless router to us just for the layout (no internet connection). I had been using the house WiFi but didn't feel like handing out my password to every operator.

?

Installed the new router and every work?fine.I'm using a HP laptop with Windows 10.

This past weekend I had an op-session and could not get any Wi-throttles to connect to JMRI. If I switched?back to the house Wifi it worked fine. My laptop?and phones were connected to the new router. We just kept getting an "unable to connect" message on our phones.

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Just now I try testing it again and same issue. Works fine with house Wifi nothing?with?the new router (NETGEAR R6080)

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Thank you for your help

Bradley White

Div. 12 MCR

Superintendent?

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Bradley, what client app are you using? If EngineDriver, what version? Please post the complete error message you get when you try to connect manually.


 

Steve,

Error message is TA toast message: "Can't connect to from 192.168.1.3 failed to connect to/ (port 12090) from / (port 53840) after 3000ms.

version 2.24.93
Bradley White
Div. 12 MCR
Superintendent?



On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 7:24 PM Steve Todd <mstevetodd@...> wrote:
Bradley, what client app are you using? If EngineDriver, what version? Please post the complete error message you get when you try to connect manually.
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Thanks, Bradley,
That message shows that your phone and your server are not on the same network (*.2 vs *.3). Unless you are doing some sort of intentional bridging or routing to overcome that, you're not going to connect.
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Steve,

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I¡¯d check your information.

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The 2 IPs that he is using are 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3. the important part of this is the ¡°192.168.1.x¡± which shows the same network. The last number HAS to be different otherwise you¡¯d get a duplicate IP error on both devices

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Aaron

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Todd
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 10:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Having issues connecting on closed Wifi

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Thanks, Bradley,
That message shows that your phone and your server are not on the same network (*.2 vs *.3). Unless you are doing some sort of intentional bridging or routing to overcome that, you're not going to connect.
--SteveT


 

Aaron, you are correct. Tired eyes, I guess....?


 

Steve,

That what I thought the message might be, but that's beyond?my skill set to figure it out how to fix it.

2 weeks ago when I first used the new router as soon as I plug the ether net cable in it would not me off my house wifi. Now nothing happens and I have to go into my wifi setting and "connect" to the layout router.



Bradley White
Div. 12 MCR
Superintendent?



On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:22 PM Steve Todd <mstevetodd@...> wrote:
Thanks, Bradley,
That message shows that your phone and your server are not on the same network (*.2 vs *.3). Unless you are doing some sort of intentional bridging or routing to overcome that, you're not going to connect.
--SteveT


 

Ok back on house wifi and working fine. Driving me crazy.

Bradley White
Div. 12 MCR
Superintendent?



On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:30 PM Bradley White <valleyln55@...> wrote:
Steve,

That what I thought the message might be, but that's beyond?my skill set to figure it out how to fix it.

2 weeks ago when I first used the new router as soon as I plug the ether net cable in it would not me off my house wifi. Now nothing happens and I have to go into my wifi setting and "connect" to the layout router.



Bradley White
Div. 12 MCR
Superintendent?



On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:22 PM Steve Todd <mstevetodd@...> wrote:
Thanks, Bradley,
That message shows that your phone and your server are not on the same network (*.2 vs *.3). Unless you are doing some sort of intentional bridging or routing to overcome that, you're not going to connect.
--SteveT


 

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Bradley,

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What are the current settings that you have now that it is working on the house wifi ??

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Aaron

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of BRADLEY WHITE
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 10:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Having issues connecting on closed Wifi

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Ok back on house wifi and working fine. Driving me crazy.


Bradley White

Div. 12 MCR

Superintendent?

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On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:30 PM Bradley White <valleyln55@...> wrote:

Steve,

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That what I thought the message might be, but that's beyond?my skill set to figure it out how to fix it.

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2 weeks ago when I first used the new router as soon as I plug the ether net cable in it would not me off my house wifi. Now nothing happens and I have to go into my wifi setting and "connect" to the layout router.

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Bradley White

Div. 12 MCR

Superintendent?

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On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:22 PM Steve Todd <mstevetodd@...> wrote:

Thanks, Bradley,
That message shows that your phone and your server are not on the same network (*.2 vs *.3). Unless you are doing some sort of intentional bridging or routing to overcome that, you're not going to connect.
--SteveT


 

Since the home router is still there, I'm suspect if the phone was bouncing
between the two routers. If so, it would account for this loss and restore
of connections. As you move around, the phone would see one router as the
better path and then it would change which might be better. Also if the two
routers were overlapping on the Wi-Fi bands, that is more interference to
sort out by the phones. Last would be if they somehow had the same subnet,
if the train router was standalone, this could be the case, and if so, it
would get very confused when switching between them.

So, what is the Wi-Fi band and IP range of each router?

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Ken,

Sorry you're asking questions above my pay grade.

I have turned off "auto connect" on my phone to the house wifi. So once I'm on the layout wifi it stays there.


Bradley White
Div. 12 MCR
Superintendent?



On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ken Cameron <kcameron@...> wrote:
Since the home router is still there, I'm suspect if the phone was bouncing
between the two routers. If so, it would account for this loss and restore
of connections. As you move around, the phone would see one router as the
better path and then it would change which might be better. Also if the two
routers were overlapping on the Wi-Fi bands, that is more interference to
sort out by the phones. Last would be if they somehow had the same subnet,
if the train router was standalone, this could be the case, and if so, it
would get very confused when switching between them.

So, what is the Wi-Fi band and IP range of each router?

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team









 

Bradley: Turning off auto connect removes one potential problem but the other is that your phone may be looking for an internet connection - and there isn't one on your layout router I presume. There should be a setting somewhere in your phone to force it to ignore internet connectivity when connecting to a wifi network.

Rather than fiddling with your phone settings you can automate all of this with the free WifiPrioritizer app. It allows you to fine tune when to connect to which networks and to ignore or consider internet connectivity separately for each. In your case, you could have your phone set up exactly as it used to be but then lock on to your layout router whenever it is active.

Jan


Frank in Houston
 

Please ?explain this new app and how I can get it. Perhaps it will solve my problem as well. I am referring to to the issues I raised a day or two ago about repeated loosing connection and reconnecting my android telephone with my router while trying to run trains.?
Thank you. Frank in Houston?


 

Frank: It's in the Google Playstore where it's fully described.?

Jan


Frank in Houston
 

Thank you. Frank in Houston.?