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Locked For Andrew (Andy) and his Walthers GP7

 

Hello Marc,?
I am out of town but will send this to you promptly after I get back on Wednesday.?

Thanks.?

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 2:52 AM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
Andrew, Walthers GP7? you mentionned.?

This is not in JMRI and I have started adding it (Pensy, CNW, NYC)? to the definition.? Need a favor from you
Need a capture of all CV's exported to a CSV file.? This can be done in an open ROSTER entry. of the GP7.

There is limited documentation avail from Walthers or Soundtraxx re this (these) engine(s).

Marc
foufoum-at-videotron-dot-ca

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Andrew Roberts Potomac Sound LLC PO Box 223 Monrovia, MD 21770-0223 (301) 332-6111 Andrew@...

 

Hello Marc,
So I'm back home now and still not able to get my DCS51 or jmri to see this loco. I can tell you that I cracked open the engine and the decoder says TSU-WW56 REV A.

I will send you the open capture once I am able.

Andy


On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 2:52 AM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
Andrew, Walthers GP7? you mentionned.?

This is not in JMRI and I have started adding it (Pensy, CNW, NYC)? to the definition.? Need a favor from you
Need a capture of all CV's exported to a CSV file.? This can be done in an open ROSTER entry. of the GP7.

There is limited documentation avail from Walthers or Soundtraxx re this (these) engine(s).

Marc
foufoum-at-videotron-dot-ca



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Andrew Roberts
 

Hello All,
I followed the protocol as requested from Dave Heap when he was trying to help Mark. Here is my report from the same process:

The Basics: JMRI 4.14, windows laptop with 7 professional (SP1), Java 1.8.0? Digitrax PR4, home made loconet cable that gets four green lights on tester, loco is Walthers new GP7 with tsunami (decoder is TSU-WW56 REV A)

At main page the following was in status bar:
Service Mode Programmer: LocoNet is online (green)
Operations Mode Programmer: LocoNet is online (green)
Programmer Status: Idle (black)

At opening of "Create New Loco" page:
Status bar says idle (black)

After clicking on "read type from decoder" button:
clicking sounds through the loco speaker, green light flashing on PR4
"Stopping due to error. No acknowledgement from locomotive (308)

Here is the script from the system console page:

2019-01-02 22:46:06,956 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - * JMRI log ** [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:06,976 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - This log is appended to file: C:\Users\Andrew\JMRI\log\messages.log [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:06,976 util.Log4JUtil??????????????????????? INFO? - This log is stored in file: C:\Users\Andrew\JMRI\log\session.log [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:06,986 apps.AppsBase???????????????????????? INFO? - DecoderPro version 4.14+Rd060e0b starts under Java 1.8.0_191 on Windows 7 x86 v6.1 at Wed Jan 02 22:46:06 EST 2019 [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:12,577 gui3.Apps3??????????????????????????? INFO? - Starting with profile Green_Valley_RR.3f126047 [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:13,137 node.NodeIdentity???????????????????? INFO? - Using jmri-jxalgafLWhOiaakonh1tQg-3f126047 as the JMRI Node identity [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:46:13,297 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO? - Starting to connect for "LocoNet" [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:13,757 pr3.PR3Adapter??????????????????????? INFO? - PR3 adapter set hardware flow control, mode=2 RTSCTS_OUT=2 RTSCTS_IN=1 [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:13,767 locobuffer.LocoBufferAdapter????????? INFO? - COM4 port opened at 57600 baud with DTR: true RTS: true DSR: false CTS: false? CD: false [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:13,837 loconet.LnPacketizer????????????????? INFO? - lnPacketizer Started [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:14,307 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:14,307 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path preference: is C:\Users\Andrew\JMRI\Green_Valley_RR\ [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:14,307 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path profile: is C:\Users\Andrew\JMRI\Green_Valley_RR\ [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:14,307 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path settings: is C:\Users\Andrew\JMRI\ [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:14,307 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path home: is C:\Users\Andrew\ [main]
2019-01-02 22:46:14,307 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path scripts: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\jython\ [main]
2019-01-02 22:49:09,827 loconet.SlotManager?????????????????? INFO? - programmer already in use by jmri.jmrit.symbolicprog.CombinedLocoSelPane$7@1653d9 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:49:51,066 jmrit.AbstractIdentify??????????????? WARN? - No acknowledge from locomotive (308), trying Paged mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:49:54,396 jmrit.AbstractIdentify??????????????? WARN? - Stopping due to error: No acknowledge from locomotive (308) [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:49:54,396 jmrit.AbstractIdentify??????????????? WARN? - Restoring Direct Byte mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:50:54,760 jmrit.AbstractIdentify??????????????? WARN? - No acknowledge from locomotive (308), trying Paged mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:50:58,091 jmrit.AbstractIdentify??????????????? WARN? - Stopping due to error: No acknowledge from locomotive (308) [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:50:58,091 jmrit.AbstractIdentify??????????????? WARN? - Restoring Direct Byte mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]

Thanks for your help in this

Andy


On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:28 PM Andrew via Groups.Io <soundrew=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Marc,
So I'm back home now and still not able to get my DCS51 or jmri to see this loco. I can tell you that I cracked open the engine and the decoder says TSU-WW56 REV A.

I will send you the open capture once I am able.

Andy

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 2:52 AM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
Andrew, Walthers GP7? you mentionned.?

This is not in JMRI and I have started adding it (Pensy, CNW, NYC)? to the definition.? Need a favor from you
Need a capture of all CV's exported to a CSV file.? This can be done in an open ROSTER entry. of the GP7.

There is limited documentation avail from Walthers or Soundtraxx re this (these) engine(s).

Marc
foufoum-at-videotron-dot-ca



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Andrew Roberts





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Andrew Roberts
 

Hi Marc,
I have seen conflicting reports as to the compatability of the PR4 with my controller or loco or loconet. Without some definitive test, i'm loathe claim that is the issue. Until I am convinced by you (or someone else) i wil hold off on buying the booster.

Program track is connected to pRG A and B terminals on the DCS51. DCS is connected to PR4 via homemade loconet cable (tested good with Digitrax tester).

Thanks again!

Andy



On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:30 PM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
That is an older Tsunami decoder. You can use the Zephyr's BLAST mode. Change OPSW 07. ? Just remove the layout wires from the back of the Zephyr
and use the PROG leads only.?

BLAST mode is sent out over the PROG A/B and RAIL A/B?? so you want to protect the engines on the layout from being inadvertently re programmed.

If this does not work (which is possible) then the PTB-100 is required to be able to read the decoder. Writing to decoder is not an issue if you use OPS mode but we want to read the CV's? so the PTB-100 is the proper tool. That or a SPROG or PR4 with 15 volt ( not more than 20V) power.

Marc



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Andrew Roberts
 

The error "programmer already in use" below indicates you've probably clicked a second time on "Read Type from Decoder" before it had finished trying the first time.

I can take several minutes to complete, particularly if it isn't able to read as it will retry several times in Direct Mode and then retry several times in Paged mode (very slow).

You need to watch the status bar at the bottom of the "Create New Loco" window.
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Dave in Australia

On 3 Jan 2019, at 3:28 PM, Andrew <soundrew@...> wrote:

2019-01-02 22:49:09,827 loconet.SlotManager INFO - programmer already in use by jmri.jmrit.symbolicprog.CombinedLocoSelPane$7@1653d9 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:49:51,066 jmrit.AbstractIdentify WARN - No acknowledge from locomotive (308), trying Paged mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:49:54,396 jmrit.AbstractIdentify WARN - Stopping due to error: No acknowledge from locomotive (308) [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:49:54,396 jmrit.AbstractIdentify WARN - Restoring Direct Byte mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:50:54,760 jmrit.AbstractIdentify WARN - No acknowledge from locomotive (308), trying Paged mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:50:58,091 jmrit.AbstractIdentify WARN - Stopping due to error: No acknowledge from locomotive (308) [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-01-02 22:50:58,091 jmrit.AbstractIdentify WARN - Restoring Direct Byte mode [AWT-EventQueue-0]
 

Hi Marc,
I've been getting conflicting info. Some say that you also program on the main using "blast" mode, or get the PTB-100. It sounds like you're saying I should scrap the idea (at least for now)of using these components with the computer and just swicth the PR4 to programmer?

Andy?


On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:10 AM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
Andrew,? The DCS51, on it's own,? will not read a Tsunami decoder without the PTB-100 present.?

Since you have the PR4, attache the program track to it and use the provided PS14 that came with the PR4 or use the power pack from your Zephyr.
It's higher output will certainly help out.?

Remember to change the PREFERENCES, Command Station Type to PR3 Standalone or it will not work. With this change you must restart DecoderPro.

Marc



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Andrew Roberts
 

Hi Marc,
Program track wires are attached to the zephyr. Today, I will move them to the PR4 and use a higher output power supply. I¡¯ll make sure to change preferences to PR4 as programmer instead of interface.? I¡¯ll report back after that.?


On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:35 PM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
Andrew..

1 -? What? are the prog track wires attached too,? the PR4 or the DCS51 ?

2 - If attached to the PR4, what power pack is plugged into the PR4.

Your PREFERENCES need to be setup properly based on your response to above questions.

Marc

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Andrew Roberts Potomac Sound LLC PO Box 223 Monrovia, MD 21770-0223 (301) 332-6111 Andrew@...

 

Hi Marc,?
A couple things first.....

The Power supply for the PR4 is 14.9v dc rated at 300 milliamps. The power supply for the DCS51 is actually lower voltage, not higher, at 13.8v but has an amperage of a whopping 3500ma! The terminals on these are positive tip, negative sleeve. I didn't have another ps to use so I just used the one for the DCS51 and, so far, I haven't let the smoke out of the PR4! I would suggest this cautiously as that is a huge amperage difference.?

Ive attached the PR4 to the program track and connected it to my computer. After starting a new profile in DP, I attempted to connect to the loco and when I hit read type, I got a message telling me to select from highlighted decoders (with a bunch of soundtraxx models highlighted in blue. I chose the one titled tsunami diesel genesis OEM as it seemed closest. I'm guessing I shouldn't have done this because it may be showing CVs from a different loco? Either way, I'm about to send you the csv file and I hope it's the info from my loco.?

Thanks,?

Andy



On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:50 PM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 02:19 AM, Andrew wrote:
Hi Marc,
I've been getting conflicting info. Some say that you also program on the main using "blast" mode,
Yes and that is why I explicitly recommend you disconnect the layout from the Zephyr temporarily. Blast goes out on both the PROG and RAIL leads as I stated in my post further up the thread.

or get the PTB-100. It sounds like you're saying I should scrap the idea (at least for now)of using these components with the computer and just swicth the PR4 to programmer?
?
Not what I am saying. I am offering options if the Soundtraxx PTB-100 is not an investment you want to make then switching to the PR4 is an option if you have the 16-18 volt power pack in hand. Using the Digitrax provided PS14 MAY work, throw of the dice.

I run my PR3 from any power pack I have that is? up to the task.?
I run the PS14 if I am loading Digitrax SOUND files (SPJ)? into Digitrax decoders? simply because this is safer for the Digitrax Sound decoders.
I run the 15VAC/3A power pack or an 18VDC/4.5A power pack on the PR3 if I am programming other than Digitrax decoders (sound or not)? via the PR3 in Standalone mode.

Marc

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Andrew Roberts Potomac Sound LLC PO Box 223 Monrovia, MD 21770-0223 (301) 332-6111 Andrew@...

 

I'm only able to create an xml export file. How does one create a csv? Sorry, total newbie.?



On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:47 PM Andrew via Groups.Io <soundrew=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Marc,?
A couple things first.....

The Power supply for the PR4 is 14.9v dc rated at 300 milliamps. The power supply for the DCS51 is actually lower voltage, not higher, at 13.8v but has an amperage of a whopping 3500ma! The terminals on these are positive tip, negative sleeve. I didn't have another ps to use so I just used the one for the DCS51 and, so far, I haven't let the smoke out of the PR4! I would suggest this cautiously as that is a huge amperage difference.?

Ive attached the PR4 to the program track and connected it to my computer. After starting a new profile in DP, I attempted to connect to the loco and when I hit read type, I got a message telling me to select from highlighted decoders (with a bunch of soundtraxx models highlighted in blue. I chose the one titled tsunami diesel genesis OEM as it seemed closest. I'm guessing I shouldn't have done this because it may be showing CVs from a different loco? Either way, I'm about to send you the csv file and I hope it's the info from my loco.?

Thanks,?

Andy



On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:50 PM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 02:19 AM, Andrew wrote:
Hi Marc,
I've been getting conflicting info. Some say that you also program on the main using "blast" mode,
Yes and that is why I explicitly recommend you disconnect the layout from the Zephyr temporarily. Blast goes out on both the PROG and RAIL leads as I stated in my post further up the thread.

or get the PTB-100. It sounds like you're saying I should scrap the idea (at least for now)of using these components with the computer and just swicth the PR4 to programmer?
?
Not what I am saying. I am offering options if the Soundtraxx PTB-100 is not an investment you want to make then switching to the PR4 is an option if you have the 16-18 volt power pack in hand. Using the Digitrax provided PS14 MAY work, throw of the dice.

I run my PR3 from any power pack I have that is? up to the task.?
I run the PS14 if I am loading Digitrax SOUND files (SPJ)? into Digitrax decoders? simply because this is safer for the Digitrax Sound decoders.
I run the 15VAC/3A power pack or an 18VDC/4.5A power pack on the PR3 if I am programming other than Digitrax decoders (sound or not)? via the PR3 in Standalone mode.

Marc

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Andrew Roberts Potomac Sound LLC PO Box 223 Monrovia, MD 21770-0223 (301) 332-6111 Andrew@...

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Andrew Roberts Potomac Sound LLC PO Box 223 Monrovia, MD 21770-0223 (301) 332-6111 Andrew@...

 

UPDATE: Thank you!

Thanks to all who assisted me in getting over the initial hump. It was a process full of infernal anguish! I am now using my PR4 and JMRI and have put several locos in my roster. I was definitely banging my head against the wall trying to program from the DCS51 without power boosted!

One question regarding my (canary in the coal mine) Walthers proto GP7. I changed the dcc address to the road number (3400) but the DCS51 is only seeing it as 34. Is there a 2 digit vs 4 digit setting in operations mode for the DCS51? I know there is when programming. Also, when entering data on the basic tab, there were two instances where JMRI assigned a short dcc address of 72 to this loco. That is a number i never entered. Any thoughts on where it came from or why dcs51 is only seeing 34 instead of 3400?


On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:38 PM Marc <forfoum@...> wrote:
The PR3 and PR4 are internally rectified by a 4 diode bridge.? AC or DC will work fine. Inverted DC will not affect it.? The high Amp makes no difference here as the voltage out to the terminals is controlled and limited by resistors. Just don't short the terminals together.?

Like I mentioned , many use 18Volt 4 or 5 AMP power packs with there PR3 or PR4. People saying the sky will fall are wrong.

You did fine. IT will read the CV's that are in the definition file and nothing else.

For the CSV file. In your GP7 Roster screen, far left "FILE "? Then EXPORT, Then CSV file... Give it a name (GP 7 Walt)? and save it. Notice WHERE it ends up so you can grab it and Email it.

Marc



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Andrew Roberts

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