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Locked Decoder Pro Digitrax programers
Michael Mosher
I really like Decoder Pro but there's a few mis classifications of Digitrax
decoders. The DN140, DN144K, DN145K, DN146A, DN147A & DN148K are listed in the Digitrax STD decoders but they are really FX decoders without BEMF. I think a new directory called "Digitrax FX decoders" or "Digitrax FX decoders without BEMF" needs to be created and those decoders moved there. Also the DN146A (and I suspect the others as well) do not have the FX lighting CVs in the Function tab. Also there's a DN146 and DN146A entries, the DN146 is redundant, same decoder. The DH083 is listed in the Digitrax FX with BEMF dir, but this decoder does not have BEMF, thou it is an FX decoder, should be moved to the above dir. One more little thing, the DH150 is in a dir by itself, since there not likely to ever be any more 150's and since it's a FX without BEMF decoder maybe it should be moved and that dir removed for efficiency sake. Thanks. Michael Mosher Webmaster Daylight Division PCR/NMRA www.trainweb.org/daylight Golden Empire Historical & Modeling Society www.trainweb.org/gehams San Luis Obispo Model Railroad Club www.trainweb.org/slomrc Personal Member Kern County Live Steamers www.trainweb.org/kernctyls |
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I think the JMRI project would welcome corrected entries and reclassifications. Up to now the emphasis was on getting it to work. So, dig in! David Michael Mosher wrote: I really like Decoder Pro but there's a few mis classifications of Digitrax-- David Harris OmniPort Home Page: Discussion egroup: Swiki: |
At 7:35 PM -0700 7/30/02, Michael Mosher wrote:
I really like Decoder Pro but there's a few mis classifications of DigitraxThanks for the detailed comments! I put together the original Digitrax definitions, along with some help from blameless others, and I'm happy to agree that I probably didn't get all the details right. I'm on a business trip, so my time is a little limited for the next week and I can't get to my layout, but I'm happy to work on this type of thing while sitting on airplanes. The basic underlying idea was that decoder manufacturers would have various software/firmware versions that they'd use to make multiple decoders. That same firmware might be installed on various PC formfactors, with various numbers of output transistors for functions, but would have the same CVs in each case. Those firmware sets are the basis for the "family" idea. A file, which defines a family, also contains the list of decoders that belong to that family. So you can see how this would go wrong: I'd code something based on the info I could get from the web. To the unpolished eye, perhaps assisted by the "system" of decoder names, other models would look like they had the same features, hence belonged to the same family, so I'd add their names to that file. But it was easy to get this wrong. So, as a start, what should be the names of the various types of Digitrax decoders? At one point I based the names on the Digitrax function naming" FX, CS (configurable strobe), STD and STD*, plus the new FX3. But that now doesn't seem to be the right approach, because BEMF and perhaps other functions appear in different combinations. Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) |
Michael Mosher
I agree, it's not clear cut. Some decoders do not support everything other decoders that are in the same class support. But the individual decoder XML files can take care of that.
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As I see it (for decoders produced in 1998 and later): Standard decoders: DH-120 DH-121 DN-121 DN-121IP DZ-120 DH140U is a multi format decoder with BEMF, but on DCC it's just a standard decoder with BEMF Configurable Strobe (CS) with BEMF & transponding DN-122K2 DZ-121 FX without BEMF nor transponding DG-380 DG-580 DH-140 DH-150A & K DH-83FX DN-140 DN-144K DN-145K DN-146A DN-147A DN-148K FX with BEMF & transponding DH-142 DN-141E2 DN-141K2 DN-142 DN-149K2 FX3 DG-383AR DG-583AR DG-583S DH-163A0 DH-163D DH-163IP DH-163K0 DH-163L0 DN-163A0 DN-163A1 DN-163K0a DZ-143 Various cable options not shown, such as P, PS, AT... They're just different cabling connected to the same base decoder. Michael Mosher Webmaster Daylight Division PCR/NMRA www.trainweb.org/daylight Golden Empire Historical & Modeling Society www.trainweb.org/gehams San Luis Obispo Model Railroad Club www.trainweb.org/slomrc Personal Member Kern County Live Steamers www.trainweb.org/kernctyls ----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Jacobsen To: jmriusers@... Sent: July 31, 2002 08:28 PM Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Decoder Pro Digitrax programers At 7:35 PM -0700 7/30/02, Michael Mosher wrote: >I really like Decoder Pro but there's a few mis classifications of Digitrax >decoders. The DN140, DN144K, DN145K, DN146A, DN147A & DN148K are listed in >the Digitrax STD decoders but they are really FX decoders without BEMF. I >think a new directory called "Digitrax FX decoders" or "Digitrax FX decoders >without BEMF" needs to be created and those decoders moved there. Also the >DN146A (and I suspect the others as well) do not have the FX lighting CVs in >the Function tab. Also there's a DN146 and DN146A entries, the DN146 is >redundant, same decoder. The DH083 is listed in the Digitrax FX with BEMF >dir, but this decoder does not have BEMF, thou it is an FX decoder, should >be moved to the above dir. One more little thing, the DH150 is in a dir by >itself, since there not likely to ever be any more 150's and since it's a FX >without BEMF decoder maybe it should be moved and that dir removed for >efficiency sake. Thanks. Thanks for the detailed comments! I put together the original Digitrax definitions, along with some help from blameless others, and I'm happy to agree that I probably didn't get all the details right. I'm on a business trip, so my time is a little limited for the next week and I can't get to my layout, but I'm happy to work on this type of thing while sitting on airplanes. The basic underlying idea was that decoder manufacturers would have various software/firmware versions that they'd use to make multiple decoders. That same firmware might be installed on various PC formfactors, with various numbers of output transistors for functions, but would have the same CVs in each case. Those firmware sets are the basis for the "family" idea. A file, which defines a family, also contains the list of decoders that belong to that family. So you can see how this would go wrong: I'd code something based on the info I could get from the web. To the unpolished eye, perhaps assisted by the "system" of decoder names, other models would look like they had the same features, hence belonged to the same family, so I'd add their names to that file. But it was easy to get this wrong. So, as a start, what should be the names of the various types of Digitrax decoders? At one point I based the names on the Digitrax function naming" FX, CS (configurable strobe), STD and STD*, plus the new FX3. But that now doesn't seem to be the right approach, because BEMF and perhaps other functions appear in different combinations. Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: jmriusers-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
Al Silverstein
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I hope this makes sense. When the FX3 decoders were announced I contacted Digitrax. My question was will there be a FX3 decoder available for a Nscale Atlas U25B locomotive soon. I wanted transponding for these engines. I was told that during 2002 all decoders except the DN121 and the DH121 were going to be replaced with decoders that had the FX3 features. The order of replacement would most like be in order of popularity. If this is the case we can look forward to many of the current decoders discontinued for newer FX3 models this year. Just thought everybody would like to know that there are more new FX3 decoders are in the pipeline. Al ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Mosher To: jmriusers@... Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Decoder Pro Digitrax programers I agree, it's not clear cut. Some decoders do not support everything other decoders that are in the same class support. But the individual decoder XML files can take care of that. As I see it (for decoders produced in 1998 and later): Standard decoders: DH-120 DH-121 DN-121 DN-121IP DZ-120 DH140U is a multi format decoder with BEMF, but on DCC it's just a standard decoder with BEMF Configurable Strobe (CS) with BEMF & transponding DN-122K2 DZ-121 FX without BEMF nor transponding DG-380 DG-580 DH-140 DH-150A & K DH-83FX DN-140 DN-144K DN-145K DN-146A DN-147A DN-148K FX with BEMF & transponding DH-142 DN-141E2 DN-141K2 DN-142 DN-149K2 FX3 DG-383AR DG-583AR DG-583S DH-163A0 DH-163D DH-163IP DH-163K0 DH-163L0 DN-163A0 DN-163A1 DN-163K0a DZ-143 Various cable options not shown, such as P, PS, AT... They're just different cabling connected to the same base decoder. Michael Mosher Webmaster Daylight Division PCR/NMRA www.trainweb.org/daylight Golden Empire Historical & Modeling Society www.trainweb.org/gehams San Luis Obispo Model Railroad Club www.trainweb.org/slomrc Personal Member Kern County Live Steamers www.trainweb.org/kernctyls ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Jacobsen To: jmriusers@... Sent: July 31, 2002 08:28 PM Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Decoder Pro Digitrax programers At 7:35 PM -0700 7/30/02, Michael Mosher wrote: >I really like Decoder Pro but there's a few mis classifications of Digitrax >decoders. The DN140, DN144K, DN145K, DN146A, DN147A & DN148K are listed in >the Digitrax STD decoders but they are really FX decoders without BEMF. I >think a new directory called "Digitrax FX decoders" or "Digitrax FX decoders >without BEMF" needs to be created and those decoders moved there. Also the >DN146A (and I suspect the others as well) do not have the FX lighting CVs in >the Function tab. Also there's a DN146 and DN146A entries, the DN146 is >redundant, same decoder. The DH083 is listed in the Digitrax FX with BEMF >dir, but this decoder does not have BEMF, thou it is an FX decoder, should >be moved to the above dir. One more little thing, the DH150 is in a dir by >itself, since there not likely to ever be any more 150's and since it's a FX >without BEMF decoder maybe it should be moved and that dir removed for >efficiency sake. Thanks. Thanks for the detailed comments! I put together the original Digitrax definitions, along with some help from blameless others, and I'm happy to agree that I probably didn't get all the details right. I'm on a business trip, so my time is a little limited for the next week and I can't get to my layout, but I'm happy to work on this type of thing while sitting on airplanes. The basic underlying idea was that decoder manufacturers would have various software/firmware versions that they'd use to make multiple decoders. That same firmware might be installed on various PC formfactors, with various numbers of output transistors for functions, but would have the same CVs in each case. Those firmware sets are the basis for the "family" idea. A file, which defines a family, also contains the list of decoders that belong to that family. So you can see how this would go wrong: I'd code something based on the info I could get from the web. To the unpolished eye, perhaps assisted by the "system" of decoder names, other models would look like they had the same features, hence belonged to the same family, so I'd add their names to that file. But it was easy to get this wrong. So, as a start, what should be the names of the various types of Digitrax decoders? At one point I based the names on the Digitrax function naming" FX, CS (configurable strobe), STD and STD*, plus the new FX3. But that now doesn't seem to be the right approach, because BEMF and perhaps other functions appear in different combinations. Bob -- -------------- Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen@..., 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: jmriusers-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: jmriusers-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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