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JMRI 4.17.8+R7c13c6b, Java 1.8.0_221, Windows 10 (but also true in 4.17.7)

On my layout, I have a RH turnout connected via the normal route (as opposed to the diverging route) to a the point-end of a LH turnout.? When I try to draw this on a panel via Layout Editor, they won't connect (connection boxes stay red).? I can put a small piece of track between them and everything goes green.?

Investigating further in Layout Editor:?
- connecting normal route of LH directly to point-end of RH works fine
- connecting diverging route of RH directly?to point-end of LH works fine
- connecting diverging route of LH directly?to point-end of RH works fine.

Just seems to be one configuration that has a problem.? No biggy since I can put an exra piece of track in Layout Editor even though not on my layout, but thought someone might be interested in case this is an issue for other connections.

Jerry
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Got it!? So it is the automatic insertion of the track segment that isn't working in that one case.? No problem - I can deal with that.

Thanks, Jerry
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I've been trying to reproduce… to no avail… can you provide the explicit steps to reproduce?
(I've added it to my (LONG) queue to look into highlighting where connections can be made while dragging turnouts (like LE already does for track segments).)

George -

i can consistently get the following situation to exhibit the issue:

panels->new panel->layout editor
options->grid options->show grid in edit mode [turn this off]
options->grid options->snap when adding
options->grid options->snap when moving
turnout RH: shift-click to put this somewhere on panel
turnout LH: shift-click to put this to the right of the first TO aligned horizontally but not touching
right click/hold on the red square of the points end of the LH TO and drag (extending the line of the TO) to try to connect to the red square on the normal end of the RH TO. ?[ I can’t get these to connect]
alternatively, if I extend the normal end of the RH TO to attempt to meet the points and of the LH TO, that won’t connect either.

If I move the entire LH TO, it will connect most of the time (I thought I had a time or two when it didn’t connect, but I couldn’t reproduce consistently). ?Also, as I play around with extending and moving the ends of the TOs, there are times when I can no longer grab the points and of the TO which I extended. ?Obviously a somewhat obscure bug somewhere.

I don't think that there's any code to connect layout objects by dragging endpoints (except for track segments).
You can only connect them by dragging the entire object (again, except for track segments).
If you make a turnout too small then trying to click an endpoint will click in its control circle instead. That may be what you're running into. Try turning on control circles (options menu -> turnouts) and maybe making them smaller.

BTW: I find resizing relative to center annoying… I'd much prefer the opposite anchor(s) stay stationary and only the point I'm dragging move. Thoughts?

I've also thought about add "real" units of measurement (inch, foot, yard, mile, mm, cm, km, etc.) such that maybe a pixel is 1/16 of an inch, minor grid marks are an inch and major grid marks are a foot (so 16 pixels to an inch (minor grid) and 12 minor grid to major grid). Or each pixel is a 1/10 of a meter, minor grid 1 meter, major grid 10 meters, etc.

I could add a (virtual) ruler to measure distances and coordinates could have real world units. Thoughts?

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 02:21 PM, George Warner wrote:

I don't think that there's any code to connect layout objects by dragging endpoints (except for track segments).
You can only connect them by dragging the entire object (again, except for track segments).

OK. Thanks.? Nice to know... (add to documentation?)

If you make a turnout too small then trying to click an endpoint will click in its control circle instead. That may be what you're running into. Try turning on control circles (options menu -> turnouts) and maybe making them smaller.

Don't think that was my problem as I left original size and even zoom'd the layout to make sure what I was grabbing.

BTW: I find resizing relative to center annoying… I'd much prefer the opposite anchor(s) stay stationary and only the point I'm dragging move. Thoughts?

I agree completely - when I grab one endpoint of a TO to stretch it, I don't want other parts of TO to move at all.

Jerry
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If I decide to "try" it I'll make it 100% "opt-in" (meaning unless you opt-in you'll never know it's there).
I've been working with the developer of RailModeller Pro on his JMRI export and one of the "features" it has is "real" (inches, feet, mm or kilometer) units…
(FYI: his layout editor uses a library of commercial tracks parts with the exact dimensions to match. So WYSIWYG. In theory exporting to JMRI would give you an exact scale representation of your layout.)
Just wondered if it ("real" units) would be of interest to anyone using JMRI.
Thanks for the feedback.

Again I don't plan on changing anything other than showing a measured distance onscreen while editing; any lengths that you've setup in blocks, routes, etc. shouldn't be effected. And it will be 100% opt-in.
Plus it's pretty low in my queue right now… just a thought in the back of my head.