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System consists of Power House Pro-R, PB5, and a stand-alone Loconet.

To unload the PB5 booster, I installed a Tam Valley accessory booster to power the turnout Tortoise machines. ?Upon power up of the layout including the Tam Valley accessory booster, operation of the layout was normal. ?

The PB5 booster load was reduced as expected. ?I can operate the turnouts via the throttle as well as the local push buttons. ?The changes made to the turnouts via these two methods (throttle and local push buttons) were properly indicated the layout panel.?

As a loco travelled on the layout, the block occupancy was being properly indicated.

However, I can no longer operate the turnouts by clicking on the turnout icons.

What do I need to do to recover turnout operation via the layout turnout icons?

Merry Christmas

Bill R


 

Premis: I do not have a Tam Valley booster.

Open the turnout table, then change one turnout with the throttle and watch if the table changes for that turnout. If it does, then click the Close/Thrown button and see if the turnout throws. If yes, the definition of the icon needs to change. If not, the problem may be with the Tam Valley boster and how it is known? by JMRI via the NCE station.?

Leo P

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019, 4:25 PM WHurry <Wttr@...> wrote:

System consists of Power House Pro-R, PB5, and a stand-alone Loconet.

To unload the PB5 booster, I installed a Tam Valley accessory booster to power the turnout Tortoise machines.? Upon power up of the layout including the Tam Valley accessory booster, operation of the layout was normal. ?

The PB5 booster load was reduced as expected.? I can operate the turnouts via the throttle as well as the local push buttons.? The changes made to the turnouts via these two methods (throttle and local push buttons) were properly indicated the layout panel.?

As a loco travelled on the layout, the block occupancy was being properly indicated.

However, I can no longer operate the turnouts by clicking on the turnout icons.

What do I need to do to recover turnout operation via the layout turnout icons?

Merry Christmas

Bill R


 

I omitted the fact that the Tam Valley accessory booster is used to power a number of DCC Specialties Jack Wabbits? that power the Tortoise machines.? The Tam Valley booster has its own power supply.? The Tam Valley booster is connected to the booster bus and output from the Tam Valley booster is connected to a bus that is connected to all of the Jack Wabbits.

Bill R


 

Bill R,

Key is confirming it works from the turnout table in JMRI. If for some
reason that isn't working, the panel will clearly not work. Using the
command monitor for the connection will also help to confirm the message is
being passed out.

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Initially, there was no observable activity on the Loconet when using the panel icon or via the table. I started by creating a NCE turnout (NTxxx). ?I modified the Loconet turnout (LTxxx) to have the NTxxx as a secondary turnout. ?That allowed me to make changes to the actual turnout via the panel icon with partial success. ?Depending on how the feedback was set up for the LTxxx and the NTxxx turnouts (different combinations of Monitoring and Direct), there was no successful combination of feedback settings that was 100% successful. ?

While observing the Loconet activity, sometimes the following message would appear: ?¡°Request Command Stations Op Switches (or DCS210/DCS240 check for multiple command stations on Loconet).

?I currently have a DCS240 provide the Loconet for the layout. ?(This was recommended to me when I initially started and have been told by others that this was bad advice.) ?Until I decide to replace the DCS240, is there something I could change (DCS240 CVS?) in the meantime)?

Bill R


 

I¡¯m very confused about how you have this wired. The post immediately below makes it sound like the turnout accessory decoders are attached to the LocoNet. But your prior post (appended below) made it sounds like they¡¯re attached to the DCC signal from the NCE command station.

Could you describe in detail how the turnout accessory decoders are wired? What type are they, were do they get their power, where do they get their signal(s)?

Bob

On Dec 25, 2019, at 4:13 PM, WHurry <Wttr@...> wrote:

Initially, there was no observable activity on the Loconet when using the panel icon or via the table. I started by creating a NCE turnout (NTxxx). I modified the Loconet turnout (LTxxx) to have the NTxxx as a secondary turnout. That allowed me to make changes to the actual turnout via the panel icon with partial success. Depending on how the feedback was set up for the LTxxx and the NTxxx turnouts (different combinations of Monitoring and Direct), there was no successful combination of feedback settings that was 100% successful.

While observing the Loconet activity, sometimes the following message would appear: ¡°Request Command Stations Op Switches (or DCS210/DCS240 check for multiple command stations on Loconet).

I currently have a DCS240 provide the Loconet for the layout. (This was recommended to me when I initially started and have been told by others that this was bad advice.) Until I decide to replace the DCS240, is there something I could change (DCS240 CVS?) in the meantime)?

On Dec 24, 2019, at 4:25 PM, WHurry <Wttr@...> wrote:

System consists of Power House Pro-R, PB5, and a stand-alone Loconet.

To unload the PB5 booster, I installed a Tam Valley accessory booster to power the turnout Tortoise machines. Upon power up of the layout including the Tam Valley accessory booster, operation of the layout was normal.

The PB5 booster load was reduced as expected. I can operate the turnouts via the throttle as well as the local push buttons. The changes made to the turnouts via these two methods (throttle and local push buttons) were properly indicated the layout panel.
--
Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...


 

Bob,?

The DCC Specialties Jack Wabbit (JW) board has four independent stationery decoders. ?The JW is wired to the Tortoise machine to provide power to close/throw the turnout. The JW board also has connections to provide turnout feedback for the four turnouts to the Loconet.

Originally, the JW board was directly connected to the NCE track bus. ?With this configuration, the power for the Tortoises is provided by the NCE booster as well as the DCC signal to the decoders on the JW.

To reduce the load on the NCE booster, a Tam Valley accessory booster was installed. ?The Tam Valley accessory booster has its own power supply. ?The Tam Valley booster is connected to the NCE booster track bus for the DCC signal. ?The Tam Valley booster passes through the DCC signal and now provides the power for the JWs to operate the Tortoise machines.

I hope this clarifies the situation.?

Bill R


 

Bill,


Most likely the addition of the TV Booster change your System Name in your table Turnouts. The problem could be the Icons are associated with the old User name verses system name which causes the confusion.?
Sometimes these types of problems require the deletion of the switches and rebuilding the association with the icons
.
Inobu ?


 

Thanks.

So you should be able to address these as the same ¡°NTnnn¡± addresses they had before. The LTnnn addresses you discussed in another email are irrelevant. (Adding an electrical booster doesn¡¯t change anything about how JMRI addresses things) If that¡¯s not working, it¡¯s an electrical issue around the booster.

Bob

On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:14 PM, WHurry <Wttr@...> wrote:

Bob,

The DCC Specialties Jack Wabbit (JW) board has four independent stationery decoders. The JW is wired to the Tortoise machine to provide power to close/throw the turnout. The JW board also has connections to provide turnout feedback for the four turnouts to the Loconet.

Originally, the JW board was directly connected to the NCE track bus. With this configuration, the power for the Tortoises is provided by the NCE booster as well as the DCC signal to the decoders on the JW.

To reduce the load on the NCE booster, a Tam Valley accessory booster was installed. The Tam Valley accessory booster has its own power supply. The Tam Valley booster is connected to the NCE booster track bus for the DCC signal. The Tam Valley booster passes through the DCC signal and now provides the power for the JWs to operate the Tortoise machines.

I hope this clarifies the situation.

Bill R

--
Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...


 

That message from the DCS240 is something you can ignore. ?It¡¯s just the DCS checking that nothing else on Loconet is also acting as a command station. ?It¡¯s not affecting your issue, unless of course you do have another Loconet command station, but then if you did, you¡¯d see the DCS240 say so and it would stop being a CS itself.

Mick
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