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An addition to JMRI that was a LOK programmer pgm would be fantastic. ESU would not like it because it would cut into their LokProgrammer ($145.00) sales.

Jim K
 

Jim,

On 9 Sep 2019, at 9:38 AM, Jim Kirwan via Groups.Io <cact25@...> wrote:

An addition to JMRI that was a LOK programmer pgm would be fantastic. ESU would not like it because it would cut into their LokProgrammer ($145.00) sales.
The ESU LokProgrammer uses special undisclosed proprietary hardware and undisclosed proprietary communications protocol to communicate with the decoder.

No other DCC system is hardware capable of this and JMRI can't do it.

Dave in Australia
Nick
 

Jim,

With respect , The only thing that the LokProgrammer does is provide the user to load new firmware into the decoder. All other aspects of programming a decoder are available in DecoderPro. Since the firmware is proprietary to ESU, just like QSI, Lionel, and MTH, you cannot reasonably expect anyone to give up their intellectual property.? They spent the money for the research and development .

If you purchase enough Loksound decoders, then the purchase of the programmer is nominal since you can then install new sound files, upgrade firmware and even change them from steam to diesel. I am by no means wealthy but I purchased enough of both ESU and QSI decoders to make the investments. If you think about it , all you need to do is use the money for one sound decoder and speaker and put it towards the programmer and you have solved your problem.

If you belong to a club or have a regular group you model with, you could each chip in for it and even make group purchases of decoders to get a better deal.

Just a few thoughts.

Enjoy the fun and keep modeling,
Nick Kulp

"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"

- Nick Kulp

An addition to JMRI that was a LOK programmer pgm would be fantastic. ESU would not like it because it would cut into their LokProgrammer ($145.00) sales.

Jim K

 


Nick,

It does much more. D/L the LokProgrammer software. It wont work without the hardware, but you can see some of what it can do. You may need to D/L a sound project to use.
I won't have near enough Lok's to ever warrant $145 for a programmer.

Jim K
 

Jim,

On 10 Sep 2019, at 12:31 PM, Jim Kirwan via Groups.Io <cact25@...> wrote:

It does much more. D/L the LokProgrammer software. It wont work without the hardware, but you can see some of what it can do. You may need to D/L a sound project to use.
I won't have near enough Lok's to ever warrant $145 for a programmer.
Not to mention Sound Project modification, adding/removing sounds, including user sounds, all with a proprietary file format and proprietary hardware (not DCC format data), simulation.

It's never going to be done by JMRI, even less without the proprietary LokProgrammer hardware.

Dave in Australia
Nick
 

Hi Jim,

I know what the software does.?

As I said, I have the programmer and have had one since the first BLI Reading T1 came out in the early 2000's with the Loksound decoder. Naturally, it won't work without the hardware. The features that DecoderPro can't access are proprietary .

It was just a suggestion. I like the advances ESU has made since the early days when their information was in German on the software. I understand about the need to spend less but if it is that important to you to access those proprietary features, you make a choice.

I do a lot of programming for friends that do not want to purchase the hardware or don't "like" computers . Perhaps you might find someone near you to help you out.

Good Luck,
Nick

"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"

- Nick Kulp

Nick,

It does much more. D/L the LokProgrammer software. It wont work without the hardware, but you can see some of what it can do. You may need to D/L a sound project to use.
I won't have near enough Lok's to ever warrant $145 for a programmer.

Jim K
 

Nick,

Would you also direct Jim to the list of folks willing to help out on the
LokProgrammer group on Yahoo.
Jim will have to join the group to access the list.
I saw this a bit late or I would have jumped in.

John

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Nick via Groups.Io" <cornwall9@...>
Date: September 10, 2019 at 9:37 AM


Hi Jim,
I know what the software does.?
As I said, I have the programmer and have had one since the first BLI Reading
T1 came out in the early 2000's with the Loksound decoder. Naturally, it won't
work without the hardware. The features that DecoderPro can't access are
proprietary .
It was just a suggestion. I like the advances ESU has made since the early
days when their information was in German on the software. I understand about
the need to spend less but if it is that important to you to access those
proprietary features, you make a choice.
I do a lot of programming for friends that do not want to purchase the
hardware or don't "like" computers . Perhaps you might find someone near you
to help you out.
Good Luck,Nick
"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable.
Life is too short to set unattainable goals"

- Nick Kulp
Nick,
It does much more. D/L the LokProgrammer software. It wont work without the
hardware, but you can see some of what it can do. You may need to D/L a sound
project to use.I won't have near enough Lok's to ever warrant $145 for a
programmer.

Jim K
Nick
 

Jim,

I am a member of the Lokprogrammer group. Would you like to be in contact with that group ?

Nick Kulp


"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"

- Nick Kulp



On Monday, September 9, 2019, 10:31:44 PM EDT, Jim Kirwan via Groups.Io <cact25@...> wrote:



Nick,

It does much more. D/L the LokProgrammer software. It wont work without the hardware, but you can see some of what it can do. You may need to D/L a sound project to use.
I won't have near enough Lok's to ever warrant $145 for a programmer.

Jim K
 

I would like to get on the lokprogrammers group

Ken Moordigian
Jackson Livery
818-522-4292



On Thursday, September 12, 2019 Nick via Groups.Io <[email protected]> wrote:

Jim,

I am a member of the Lokprogrammer group. Would you like to be in contact with that group ?

Nick Kulp


"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"

- Nick Kulp



On Monday, September 9, 2019, 10:31:44 PM EDT, Jim Kirwan via Groups.Io <cact25@...> wrote:



Nick,

It does much more. D/L the LokProgrammer software. It wont work without the hardware, but you can see some of what it can do. You may need to D/L a sound project to use.
I won't have near enough Lok's to ever warrant $145 for a programmer.

Jim K
 

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Nick
Excuse me for you mail was not address directly to me, however as an enthusiastic lockprogrammer user I wish to be in contact with the group

John ?Pearson


On 13 Sep 2019, at 01:26, Nick via Groups.Io <cornwall9@...> wrote:

Jim,

I am a member of the Lokprogrammer group. Would you like to be in contact with that group ?

Nick Kulp


"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"

- Nick Kulp



On Monday, September 9, 2019, 10:31:44 PM EDT, Jim Kirwan via Groups.Io <cact25@...> wrote:



Nick,

It does much more. D/L the LokProgrammer software. It wont work without the hardware, but you can see some of what it can do. You may need to D/L a sound project to use.
I won't have near enough Lok's to ever warrant $145 for a programmer.

Jim K
 

I subscribed at:
Loksound-subscribe@...

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Mike Heintzman
Modeling the P&PU since 1953
 

It looks to me like the address keeps truncating. It¡¯s ¡®loksound-subscribe@...¡¯

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Mike Heintzman
Modeling the P&PU since 1953

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