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I'm trying to upgrade from 5.6 to 5.10. After I download the zip file, everything looks fine on my desktop. The new JMRI DecoderPro and PanelPro icons are there, but when I click on either one, I see an hourglass as if trying to start, then nothing.
I have 5.6 working just fine so the JAVA version is correct. Any suggestions?
Thank you all for this fantastic program.
later
Inspector Dave
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Dave,
What zip file? ?What OS are you using?
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] #upgrading
Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2025 11:14 AM
I'm trying to upgrade from 5.6 to 5.10. After I download the zip file, everything looks fine on my desktop. The new JMRI DecoderPro and PanelPro icons are there, but when I click on either one, I see an hourglass as if trying to start, then nothing.
I have 5.6 working just fine so the JAVA version is correct. Any suggestions?
Thank you all for this fantastic program.
later
Inspector Dave
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I'm sorry, exe file. I just tried 5.8 and the same thing happens. Hourglass then nothing. Windows 10 is the OS.
Thanks
Inspector Dave
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Dave,
Are these standard installs using the defaults including for all users. ?Is the Windows user doing the install an administrator?
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Upgrading #upgrading
Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2025 1:11 PM
I'm sorry, exe file. I just tried 5.8 and the same thing happens. Hourglass then nothing. Windows 10 is the OS.
Thanks
Inspector Dave
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Dave, thanks for replying. Standard JMRI defaults as to the downloading.?
I just tried run as administrator, same thing. Tried 5.8, same thing, will not open.
Reinstalled 5.6 and life is good. I need 5.10 because another layout I'm helping had his dispatcher break as far as when trains were supposed to stop, and I need to be on the same version so I can troubleshoot that issue here.
Thanks Dave
Inspector Dave
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Dave,
You might try doing a clean JMRI install.
- Remove JMRI using the Windows control panel.
- Remove the left over JMRI directory at C:\Program Files (x86).
- Reboot.
There should be no JMRI icons on the desktop.
Install JMRI 5.10
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Upgrading #upgrading
Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2025 1:39 PM
Dave, thanks for replying. Standard JMRI defaults as to the downloading.?
I just tried run as administrator, same thing. Tried 5.8, same thing, will not open.
Reinstalled 5.6 and life is good. I need 5.10 because another layout I'm helping had his dispatcher break as far as when trains were supposed to stop, and I need to be on the same version so I can troubleshoot that issue here.
Thanks Dave
Inspector Dave
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That did it Dave. many thanks. Now I might be bothering you about a dispatcher issue soon.
Thanks again
Inspector Dave
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One idea I have to help figure this sort of thing out is to make a zip of the log directory in JMRI then upload it to the website files under ‘problems being worked on’ for us to review. ? Two things would come from that. First where you were working last. What version of Java etc… It may also record some issue on trying to start that might give a clue too. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Hi, i’ll send everything over the weekend.? I completed the firmware update; now reads jan 5 2025. NCE system is working fine but still no joy on the AIU signal data. ?I reset everything, rebooted tried a few times no go. ?I even deleted all the sensors in the sensor table and created new ones. Didn’t help.? Cheers
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On Mar 5, 2025, at 18:57, Ken Cameron via groups.io <kcameron@...> wrote:
? One idea I have to help figure this sort of thing out is to make a zip of the log directory in JMRI then upload it to the website files under ‘problems being worked on’ for us to review. ? Two things would come from that. First where you were working last. What version of Java etc… It may also record some issue on trying to start that might give a clue too. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Georgia, ? Now you have a good version that should be able to read, we now can go deeper on how JMRI is or isn’t seeing the AIU. ? First question, does the ‘Show Cabs’ show the existence of the AIU? This is proving the address on the cab bus. ? Second question, in JMRI, when you created a sensor, which form of hardware address did you use: your calculated value or the form of cabid:pin#? The second form insures the right value for the sensor. ? Third, does the LED on each AIU pin show a change of dark to lit? ? Fourth, which devices are tied to the AIU board? ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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First question, does the ‘Show Cabs’ show the existence of the AIU? This is proving the address on the cab bus.
I’ll check this tomorrow evening after work.? ? Second question, in JMRI, when you created a sensor, which form of hardware address did you use: your calculated value or the form of cabid:pin#?
I created the sensors by inputting 50:1 thru 50:14 and 51:1 thru 51:14 by selecting the first sensor and the clicking on: create 14 in the series. this created 28 sensors. I tied these to the associated blocks . When i manually set any of the sensors to active, ?the blocks display properly on the layout editor.? The second form insures the right value for the sensor. ? Third, does the LED on each AIU pin show a change of dark to lit??
All AIU ports 1 thru 14 on both AIUs are using BD20s for current detection. Note: when i utilize my NCE PowerCAB everything works perfectly. It’s only when i swap out the PowerCab with the PowerPro that i lose all the AIU reporting data. This proves to me the AIUs and BD20 are operating properly and that the problem lies in either the PowerPro sending AIU data or JMRI receiving data AIU data from a PowerPro unit.? ? Fourth, which devices are tied to the AIU board?
NCE BD20s on all ports.?
Cheers Geo
On Mar 5, 2025, at 20:56, Ken Cameron via groups.io <kcameron@...> wrote:
? Georgia, ? Now you have a good version that should be able to read, we now can go deeper on how JMRI is or isn’t seeing the AIU. ? First question, does the ‘Show Cabs’ show the existence of the AIU? This is proving the address on the cab bus. ? Second question, in JMRI, when you created a sensor, which form of hardware address did you use: your calculated value or the form of cabid:pin#? The second form insures the right value for the sensor. ? Third, does the LED on each AIU pin show a change of dark to lit? ? Fourth, which devices are tied to the AIU board? ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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You said you used 50:1 for the starting point. But later you mention switching between the PH5 and the PowerCab. What address did you set when using the PowerCab? It only works for cab 3 to 10. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Georgia, You appear to be responding to the wrong topic thus hijacking this one. Please make your responses to your original topic. -- Peter Ulvestad Linux Mint 22.1, JMRI 5.11.3plus, Java 21.0.5 JMRI Users Group Moderator ( /g/jmriusers ) JMRI Developers Group Moderator ( ) Tam Valley Group Moderator ( ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator ( ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association ( )
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Oops. I apologize… i used the wrong email chain.
Cheers
Geo
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?Georgia,
You appear to be responding to the wrong topic thus hijacking this one.
Please make your responses to your original topic.
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Peter Ulvestad
Linux Mint 22.1, JMRI 5.11.3plus, Java 21.0.5
JMRI Users Group Moderator ( /g/jmriusers )
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Ken, I placed a zip of the messy log files in the files folder like you suggested.
Thank you
Inspector Dave
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I see how it used to be in C:\Program Files\JMRI, which isn’t right. You now have the correct path of C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI. As I understand it, the system expects things in the first path to be true 64bit programs and the second path being 32bit programs. Exactly how that works I’m not sure anymore. But just going with the default is the better path. ? It is behaving ok now? ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Ken,
Isn't that a question of whenever he is using 64bit or 32bit
Java? If Java is 64bit, I would assume JMRI to be in C:\Program
Files\JMRI and if Java is 32bit, I would assume JMRI to be in
C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI.
Daniel
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I see how it used to be in C:\Program
Files\JMRI, which isn’t right. You now have the correct path
of C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI. As I understand it, the system
expects things in the first path to be true 64bit programs and
the second path being 32bit programs. Exactly how that works
I’m not sure anymore. But just going with the default is the
better path.
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It is behaving ok now?
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-Ken
Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 02:32 PM, danielb987 wrote:
Ken,
Isn't that a question of whenever he is using 64bit or 32bit Java? If Java is 64bit, I would assume JMRI to be in C:\Program Files\JMRI and if Java is 32bit, I would assume JMRI to be in C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI.
Daniel
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Nope!
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On my Win11 layout computer, the 64-bit Java is in C:\Program Files, and JMRI is in C:\Program Files (x86).?
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I (almost!) always use the default paths when installing software, so that's where Windows put them.
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On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 06:27 PM, Breezlys wrote:
On my Win11 layout computer, the 64-bit Java is in C:\Program Files, and JMRI is in C:\Program Files (x86).?
Same for me.
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The install program and launch program are 32 bit, that way you dont need 2 jmri installs. At execute time it evaluates the 32/64 conundrum.
Steve G.
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Ken Cameron
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