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The Southern Pacific used 'SPINS', (Southern Pacific Industrial Numbering System). They just put a number to correspond with the track and/or industry serviced. The question is, has anyone else used SPINS in JMRI?
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Additional information here: https://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/spins/books.html
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What I'm looking for is how to name the industry. Instead of putting Wal-Mart spot 1 or Purina Chow unload 1, do you just put the number, 0415 for example? I'd think it could be as easy as that. Yes, I have a diagram of the track to match the number and industry but wanted to know how operators handled just a number vs. a name and location. Since the name of the building and location are easier to see on a model railroad verses a number that you have to reference another document.?

For real railroaders, I think the diagram and number would be easy and repeatable as a job. For us part time (model) railroaders, I think more details assist operators in performing their tasks.?

Thank you for any information.?

Mike O'Neill
Parker, CO
 

Mike,
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If the diagram of the location is present at the location (on the facia, or perhaps lighting valance), then IHMO, the SPINS number could easily be presented on the JMRI paperwork, and should offer little trouble for most folks to get a car spotted.
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Phil Klein uses a modified version of this idea on his BNSF Seattle Sub layout...the example here is Black River, WA and the Selland Co. auto-ramp tracks, with the track numbers listed,
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His track charts exist on small facia-mounted Kindle tablet JMRI panels, that also control the turnouts at the location.
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Pete Johnson
 

Hello Mike,

I'm not sure if anyone in JMRI is using SPINS information to route cars.? SPINS was created as an aid to help crews spot cars correctly.? There is nothing that says you cannot use SPINS information to help JMRI route cars.? You would just use the SPINS data in place of the alphabet formatted information in labeling your spurs.? If you go that route please let us know how it works.? Thanks and take care.

Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV

The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have.
Leonard Nimoy



On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 11:28?AM Mike O'Neill via <mcdeo1996=[email protected]> wrote:
The Southern Pacific used 'SPINS', (Southern Pacific Industrial Numbering System). They just put a number to correspond with the track and/or industry serviced. The question is, has anyone else used SPINS in JMRI?
?
Additional information here:
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What I'm looking for is how to name the industry. Instead of putting Wal-Mart spot 1 or Purina Chow unload 1, do you just put the number, 0415 for example? I'd think it could be as easy as that. Yes, I have a diagram of the track to match the number and industry but wanted to know how operators handled just a number vs. a name and location. Since the name of the building and location are easier to see on a model railroad verses a number that you have to reference another document.?

For real railroaders, I think the diagram and number would be easy and repeatable as a job. For us part time (model) railroaders, I think more details assist operators in performing their tasks.?

Thank you for any information.?

Mike O'Neill
Parker, CO
 

I have been using ATSF CLIC data on my model RR for years.? This is the ATSF version of SPINS.? It works great.? The track diagram at each area shows the CLIC spot data.? The switchlist gives both the CLIC spot info and the industry name.? The industry name is easy to spot on most structures, as is the door number (if labeled).
 

I use CP equivalents to SPINS - SLC (Shippers Location Code).? I think?the SLCs are used in EDI messaging between the railroads - i.e. railroad?number?+ SLC kind of like bank routing codes.

Each station has a number i.e. Calgary is 8200, Vancouver (Coquitlam) is 9714.? Yard tracks are 8200001, 8200002, etc.? Sidings in the Calgary region are 8201001, etc.? But I also name the locations in JMRI because as was said Names are more human readable.? But the numbers help physically locate things (Siding 8901001 is somewhere between Calgary and Vancouver...)


On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 10:34?AM Dennis Drury via <cowrr1984=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Mike,

I'm not sure if anyone in JMRI is using SPINS information to route cars.? SPINS was created as an aid to help crews spot cars correctly.? There is nothing that says you cannot use SPINS information to help JMRI route cars.? You would just use the SPINS data in place of the alphabet formatted information in labeling your spurs.? If you go that route please let us know how it works.? Thanks and take care.

Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV

The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have.
Leonard Nimoy



On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 11:28?AM Mike O'Neill via <mcdeo1996=[email protected]> wrote:
The Southern Pacific used 'SPINS', (Southern Pacific Industrial Numbering System). They just put a number to correspond with the track and/or industry serviced. The question is, has anyone else used SPINS in JMRI?
?
Additional information here:
?
What I'm looking for is how to name the industry. Instead of putting Wal-Mart spot 1 or Purina Chow unload 1, do you just put the number, 0415 for example? I'd think it could be as easy as that. Yes, I have a diagram of the track to match the number and industry but wanted to know how operators handled just a number vs. a name and location. Since the name of the building and location are easier to see on a model railroad verses a number that you have to reference another document.?

For real railroaders, I think the diagram and number would be easy and repeatable as a job. For us part time (model) railroaders, I think more details assist operators in performing their tasks.?

Thank you for any information.?

Mike O'Neill
Parker, CO
 

Thank you for all of the great information. I've also learned that many railroads did something similar.
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A crew operated the area the other day and said it wasn't bad. For me however, not having the names in JRMI, it was a disaster. I'm going to have the numbers and add short descriptions. Maybe I'll hide them from the crews, but man, I need them to reference schedules and tracks and so forth. Not horrible with the diagram in front of me, which I don't always have. So, more documentation and more work for me. :-)
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Mike
 

On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 01:42 PM, Mike O'Neill wrote:
Maybe I'll hide them from the crews, but man, I need them to reference schedules and tracks and so forth.
Mike, just use the hyphen/left parens trick to keep it transparent to the crews.? You will have the info about each spot but it will only show up on paperwork as the SPINS numbers.
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This should let you keep it organized in JMRI while you work out the pieces.
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Happy to help, hope it helps,
<Pete Johnson>

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