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Re: Saving Panels questions?
Thank you, I thought that was what is was but clarification helps. ? Terry Cummins S.E. Michigan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Bob JacobsenSent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 4:12 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Saving Panels questions? ? Depending on which window you¡¯re on, the choices are: ? - Store Panels¡ - Store -> Store Configuration And Panels to File ¡ ? These two are the same.? Note that they say _Panel_s_ plural. They store everything to a file that you select. That includes _all_ the current panels.? It also includes all the information about turnouts, sensors, routes, Logix, etc that configures JMRI to operate the layout. That¡¯s the information in the various tables, and also some internal objects related to them. ? - Store -> Store Configuration Only To File ¡ ? This stores just the configuration information, without the panels.? It¡¯s only useful in specialized cases. ? The usual way to work is to store _everything_ to a single file using one of the first two commands, then reload that file when the program starts. ? Bob ? > On Feb 5, 2020, at 10:28 AM, mrclassicman <mrclassicman512@...> wrote: > > Hi, it's me again with yet another confusing to me question regarding saving panels. When doing so much requiring several panels or menus to be open at one time from where does one save? Some of these panels have their own store panels on them and the there is the PanelPro main screen which have the same options. Question two is when is it best to just save the panel and when is it best to save panel with files? > -- > Terry Cummins > S.E. Michigan > ? -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@... ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Signal Head address using Team Digital Signal Head Drivers
I'm using Team Digital detection boards and Signal Head Drivers(SHD) that are now being distributed by RRCirKits. I've used Digitrax boards in the past where all of the addresses for turnouts and signals were preset in the board and varied by the board address. Per the Team Digital manuals a turnout address is different from a signal address so it doesn't matter if you have a turnout number 1 and a signal 1. My question is if in the JMRI tables there is a turnout 1 and a signal 1, will it see them as two different things or as the same thing?
Thanks.
Clay Smith
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I just discovered the ¡°new¡± CTC tools¡
There are no screen shots included in the documentation at .
Does anyone know of screen shots posted anywhere¡ like on someone¡¯s layout page?
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Marc,
If you "copy" an existing profile using Preferences >> Config Profiles, it will behave as you expect.
For the majority of people, a single profile at the "settings:" location works fine, and it is the default for new installs/profiles.
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] back up to another comuter
Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 3:10 PM
Dave,? I do not disagree with you. I simply would like to know why the JMRI installer and setup does not follow your recommended structure.
Newly created Profile :?
User Files Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\
Roster Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\
Profile Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\
Settings Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\
Current Config file:C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\ProfileConfig.xml
Scripts Location: C:\Program Files\JMRI\jython\
Program Location: C:\Program Files\JMRI
Temp Files Location:C:\DOCUME~1\Marc\LOCALS~1\Temp\
Log Files Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\log\
? C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\log\messages.log
? C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\log\session.log
Marc
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Both CATS and Designer open as they should, however when I open CATS and try to open a saved file from Designer, the file will not open. The CATS panel stays blank. The shows the xml extension and it makes no difference if I try to open it as a xml file or all files. Any guidance would be appreciated.
Clay Smith
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Re: Saving Panels questions?
Depending on which window you¡¯re on, the choices are: - Store Panels¡ - Store -> Store Configuration And Panels to File ¡ These two are the same. Note that they say _Panel_s_ plural. They store everything to a file that you select. That includes _all_ the current panels. It also includes all the information about turnouts, sensors, routes, Logix, etc that configures JMRI to operate the layout. That¡¯s the information in the various tables, and also some internal objects related to them. - Store -> Store Configuration Only To File ¡ This stores just the configuration information, without the panels. It¡¯s only useful in specialized cases. The usual way to work is to store _everything_ to a single file using one of the first two commands, then reload that file when the program starts. Bob On Feb 5, 2020, at 10:28 AM, mrclassicman <mrclassicman512@...> wrote:
Hi, it's me again with yet another confusing to me question regarding saving panels. When doing so much requiring several panels or menus to be open at one time from where does one save? Some of these panels have their own store panels on them and the there is the PanelPro main screen which have the same options. Question two is when is it best to just save the panel and when is it best to save panel with files?
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Dave,? I do not disagree with you. I simply would like to know why the JMRI installer and setup does not follow your recommended structure.
Newly created Profile :?
User Files Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\
Roster Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\
Profile Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\
Settings Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\
Current Config file:C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\easy_DCC.jmri\ProfileConfig.xml
Scripts Location: C:\Program Files\JMRI\jython\
Program Location: C:\Program Files\JMRI
Temp Files Location:C:\DOCUME~1\Marc\LOCALS~1\Temp\
Log Files Location: C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\log\
? C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\log\messages.log
? C:\Documents and Settings\Marc\JMRI\log\session.log
Marc
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 02:48 PM, Ed Woz. wrote:
This PC has no serial connection - thus this goes to a USB port.
Dec. Pro has only a few connection choices for EasyDCC. - via serial, via network, or Simulator. ?
I chose via serial. The serial port states (COM 3) in Red. ?Clicking on that states - "no ports found".
If COM3 is in red then it is not a valid port or is disconnected and not available. I assume you did not import/copy old computer files to New !. Go into Device Manager and view the Port (Com & LPT)? . NO disconnect your USB to serial cable and note who will dissapear. If no one dissapears, you do not have a device driver loaded for the USB to serial device/cable If the device appears when you plug the USB to Serial back in, not what COM port has been assigned? to it, probably not COM3. Marc
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Ed,
Your description of the symptoms sounds like a windows driver issue rather than a JMRI problem.
Is it fair to believe that you have already checked that out?
Cliff in Baja SoCal
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Had older PC with Dec. Pro (4.10) prevoiusly working with this cable.?
Installed Dec. Pro (4.18) on a newer PC (WIN 10). ?Have fitted serial connection (serial to USB) to EasyDcc command station.
This PC has no serial connection - thus this goes to a USB port.
Dec. Pro has only a few connection choices for EasyDCC. - via serial, via network, or Simulator. ?
I chose via serial. The serial port states (COM 3) in Red. ?Clicking on that states - "no ports found".
I'd appreciate any suggestions. ?Thank you,
Ed Woz.
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It realy doesn¡¯t state but here is all that I have ¡°JMRI Panel Tutorial -Part 2¡± R. Bucklew 07/25/15.? I am currently running JMRI 4.19 on a Windows 10 tower . It also has a window ¡°Introduction to Layout Editor And Panel Editor (JMRI). I looked for Part 1 but was unable to find . ? Terry Cummins S.E. Michigan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Peter UlvestadSent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 2:06 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Panel Pro tutorial questions? ? What tutorial are you referring to? ? -- Peter Ulvestad ? JMRI Users Group Moderator - https://www.jmri.org ( http://www.jmri.org ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - https://tamvalleydepot.com/ ( http://tamvalleydepot.com/ ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ( http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - http://www.emra.club/ ? ? ?
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What tutorial are you referring to?
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Saving Panels questions?
Hi, it's me again with yet another confusing to me question regarding saving panels. When doing so much requiring several panels or menus to be open at one time from where does one save? Some of these panels have their own store panels on them and the there is the PanelPro main screen which have the same options. Question two is when is it best to just save the panel and when is it best to save panel with files?
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S.E. Michigan
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In the Panel Tutorial -Part 2 I have been attempting to create my own panel. I am doing this on a separate computer as I already have a working panel on my layout. I am driven, though, to figure this program out! I am running into problems when adding levers and status lights to the panel. I have the sensor tables generated with odd numbers to turnouts and even numbers to signals. I do have the levers working on the turnouts (set to momentary) and they seem to function. But when I attempt to put the code lights on they always come up as levers. What have I missed or what have I done wrong? Forgive me for not knowing the nomenclature for code lights or status lights. But I am talking the turnout "Inactive-active" indicators and the "lamp" under the signal plate. It would appear that my issues start on pages 8-10. Thanks in advance for direction on this issue!
Terry Cummins
S.E. Michigan
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Re: An issue with Signal Masts (seems to related to paths through a double crossover)
I have manually created the correct logic for the signal masts, but the issue seems to be that the paths are marked invalid, so the route never goes Active. I FINALLY got them all to respond correctly. I still have a lot of Paths marked as Invalid, but all the Signal Masts are going active when they should. It seems that I needed to create the Signal Mast Logic AFTER the Destination Mast logic was complete and correctly responding. When I deleted and recreated the Source Mast logic after I got the destination complete, it worked correctly.
So the root cause of al my issues was the sequence in which the Source/Destination logic pairs were created. The Source can only be defined AFTER the destination is complete. I think we should consider this problem resolved (and I will delete the folder from the ProblemsBeingWorkedON folder.
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Re: An issue with Signal Masts (seems to related to paths through a double crossover)
Sott,
Based on your description, it seems the best solution is manually adjust the signal mast logic across the double cross-over.
Some people have assigned 4 virtual blocks with virtual sensors to the 4 block positions of the double cross-over. ?Then they use Logix (or scripting) to activate the virtual sensors in the correct sequence based on the changes of the two real sensors. ?The correct sequence is required for block tracking and automation, such as using Dispatcher.
Dave Sand
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From: Scott Walton <jscottwalton@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] An issue with Signal Masts (seems to related to paths through a double crossover)
Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 10:30 AM
It's physically a real double crossover, wired as two blocks. There is another turnout coming in to one track just after it that is included in the block. On the panel, the alignment is horizontal. Since my two parallel tracks were further apart than those of the crossover, there are short track segments to the wider parallel tracks, and then, on the one side, longer horizontal segments, one with a trailing point turnout coming in.
I'm not sure I can draw it on the panel as four blocks -- there is only the one set of isolation cuts to split it into two blocks. As a FastTrack double crossover, it was physically built as two (left/right) halves and then soldered toghether. I really would not want to cut them apart again. And I don't think JMRI would let me have two blocks with the same sensor.
When I look at Paths through the crossover, they are all correct, but are marked with an asterisk in the "Valid" column. It doesn't seem to consider the North/South connection through the crossover as valid (even though it physically is). As far as blocks B6AN is the other side of B6AS. From block B5S (which is directly connected to B6AS), the path to B5AS through the next block B5S, is marked as invalid. The other direction is marked as Invalid. I'm not sure why JMRI thinks the path is invalid, but that certainly seems to be root issue.
Scott Walton
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Thanks Phil, but on this railroad the sidings are not all the same length and some are shorter than some of the trains.? That's why it would be helpful for the DS to know the train length. Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:58 AM Phil in gorgeous Young Harris via Groups.Io <philabernathy= [email protected]> wrote:
Dennis, on the Club layout (), we use JMRI Operations for our Op Sessions.? Our era is 1948-1952 with all dark territory so we use TimeTable and Train Orders.? We have a Time Table, that all Crews use, showing all scheduled trains that go beyond Yard Limits.? Our Dispatcher is also provided a simple listing of the scheduled trains in two formats: one by train number, and one by planned departure time.? That listing is printed from an Excel spreadsheet that has the trains manually listed (since we have a planned schedule and build/print/terminate all trains in JMRI ahead of time).?
As a general rule, departing trains are always built shorter than the shortest passing siding on their route, but if the Dispatcher wants to issue a Train Order, he will talk with the Station Operator ahead of time to ascertain current conditions, since cars are often picked up/dropped off so the number varies.? With no signals on the track, each Station is expected to report trains arriving, passing through, or departing, to the Dispatcher, and the Dispatcher maintains a manual board of the location of every active train.?
Note that we have just one Station Operator position, and he is in the Layout room while the Dispatcher is in the back.? The Station Operator watches all "manned" stations on the layout and reports by phone, all arrivals, passing through, or departing trains.? The phone actually has been displaced by the era-inaccurate FRS radio which allows the Station Operator movement within the layout room.? For any Train Orders to be issued to a train crew, the Dispatcher calls the Station Operator to receive the order who then flags the train at a next station (or station they are working at).? The Dispatcher will ask the Station Operator for status (timing for expected departure when needed, and lengths) to help make decisions before issuing Train Orders.
Hope this provides some additional thoughts for Operations.?
Phil in gorgeous Young Harris, Georgia, USA
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