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Locked Re: DecoderPro &ESU LokSound Factory reset

Frank in Houston
 

OK DAVE, I will do it. ?THANK YOU AGAIN....I switched from Paged Mode to Direct mode. ?(Yes, much, much faster). ?Next, I placed the Atlas locomotive on the program track. ?I then used "Read Type from Decoder" and DecoderPro identified the manufacturer as ESU...however DecoderPro then highlighted about 80 % of the listed Decoder types. ?So I chose "LokSound Select OEM" and then used READ Full Sheets on the CV pane and all seemed to work just fine except the horn. ? ?It does not work when I push the Botton. On all previous attempts I used "LokSound Select"....and the horn worked.

?I am using the Digitrax system with a Windows computer and the very latest (4.17.3) JMRI. ? I have searched thru the DecoderPro options and cannot determine what needs to be done to make the horn work. ?I would really appreciate your help with this problem. ?I really like those Atlas GP-7 locomotives. ?

I purchased this locomotive as a new unused locomotive but I noticed the attached paperwork refers to a "Quick Start Guide Version 1.7. ?20 November 2013.
?THANK YOU.....Frank


Locked Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer

 

Ross:

If the driver installs but you don't see the com show up in the device manager list then port cable or the LocoBuffer... Yes... different to be sure...

And a big yes, Dick (and Karen) are good folks and friends...

Jim


Locked Re: Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?

 

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Yes, that¡¯s the ¡°layout editor¡±.??

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The ¡°Layout Editor¡± was, originally, for setting up the logical connection of track, turnouts, signals, blocks, etc..? In being a logical editor, which understood track connectedness (hence the red/green squares), it could automatically add rules, such as signals changing aspect based on turnout direction, or track occupancy. ???
It is used by many as a method to directly control their model, but it has some constraints.?

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The ¡°Panel Editor¡± (and its close brother the ¡°Control Panel Editor¡±) provide full graphical control over a panel, you can put whatever you want on a panel, any number of times.? All the graphical elements can be replaced with your own if you wish.? But any rules about how two items (eg. a turnout and a signal) relate to each other have to be described elsewhere.?

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It is legitimate (and sometimes very sensible) to use both; the layout editor to setup all the rules for signalling and track, and the panel editor to produce the actual panels to be used by operators.?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Renton Charman via Groups.Io
Sent: 02 August 2019 10:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?

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When I have been adding new track or turnout icons to my panel, the red boxes on the ends of the icons turn green when they are connected together, does that help determine which editor I am using?


Locked Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer

 

Jim,

Thank you for your thoughts.

Checking the BIOS settings is a good hint. Hadn't thought of this angle.

All indications from Device Manager are that the drivers are properly installed and operating; no indication of any 'mystery device.' I'd checked this before calling Dick and again with Dick. Also checked after re-installing the drivers.

I'm confident the '3rd party' Dick has on the RR-CirKits web site didn't leave a 'stuck driver.' Dick uses this for the more common situation of a user not fully installing the drivers. We used it here as a 'last-ditch' effort just in case; we were already quite certain I'd correctly installed the drivers (as I've done many times for both myself and others.)

Dick's customer service is 'over-the-top,' amongst the best I've seen in any business. He and I are both baffled by this; something we've never seen. We both hope to learn something that will help others.

Ross

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jimalbanowski
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 7:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer

Ross:

Some PC have switches to enable/disable USB ports in their "BIOS"
checking that might be the first place to start.

Have you used device manager to look for the created com port when the LocoBuffer is plugged in? Access from either files then this PC and properties or the windows menus windows system this PC properties...

If the drivers loaded correctly you also should have seen the new hardware detected and then ready to use notifications when the LocoBuffer was plugged it.

Not sure about Dick's removal tool catching it but there could be a stuck driver for the LocoBuffer, again device manager is the best tool possibly showing either a com with broken driver or a mystery device with the yellow triangle/!...

Jim Albanowski


Locked Re: Predicate memory in Logix not renamed when user name changed #memory #renaming #logix

 

Dave,

So since it held it as a plain string, the normal bean name change
notification misses this. I wonder if there are other holes like this? I can
understand some cases where one line scripts are used as actions in Logix,
those would be strings and no way for code to know about them.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org


Locked Re: restoring sensors and blocks

 

Thomas,

Have you tried to talk to the TD boards? I presume you have roster entries
from programming them? So do they respond? On the main page of the config
for each board is an option that sets if the board should respond to the
GPON. If those are set, you should see all of the sensors and turnouts after
the startup. Since it is a standalone LocoNet, you may need to manually
trigger that. It's been a long time and I don't recall the right trick right
now.

But if you can't talk to the boards with ops mode programming, that's a clue
they could be dead.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org


Locked Re: DecoderPro &ESU LokSound Factory reset

 

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Frank,

On 2 Aug 2019, at 8:04 PM, Frank in Houston <upitrr@...> wrote:

Question please. ?Since I already selected the model of the decoder for this new Atlas GP-7 (I used ¡°LokSound Select¡±) from the listing of available ESU decoders AND downloaded all of the CV¡¯s from this new locomotive using ¡°LokSound Select¡±, (it took about two hours)¡­. IS it to late to use NEW LOCO¡ª>READ TYPE from Decoder and start all over again? ?(Then again download all CV¡¯s from the locomotive?)?

It's never too late to get it right. You need to start again. Don't use Paged Mode (despite bad such advice on some OEM data sheets). If your system supports it, use Direct Mode. The difference in speed is great. Two hours indicates you used Paged Mode.


?I am sure some CV¡¯s used by the locomotive were missed by ¡°LokSound Select¡± as the Atlas instructions that came with the locomotive suggested changing some CV¡¯s which I could not find using ¡°LokSound Select¡±.

There are at least three vastly different families of ESU decoder in recent OEM models; V4/Select, Essential Sound Unit and V5.

While some CVs are in common many hundreds are not.

You MUST use Read Type From Decoder to get it right. And don't use Paged Mode. Some systems will fail trying to read these decoders correctly in Paged Mode.

Dave in Australia


Locked Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer

 

Ross:

Some PC have switches to enable/disable USB ports in their "BIOS" checking that might be the first place to start.

Have you used device manager to look for the created com port when the LocoBuffer is plugged in? Access from either files then this PC and properties or the windows menus windows system this PC properties...

If the drivers loaded correctly you also should have seen the new hardware detected and then ready to use notifications when the LocoBuffer was plugged it.

Not sure about Dick's removal tool catching it but there could be a stuck driver for the LocoBuffer, again device manager is the best tool possibly showing either a com with broken driver or a mystery device with the yellow triangle/!...

Jim Albanowski


Locked Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer

 

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Wouter,

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Thank you for your thought.

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I¡¯d checked several ports with a wireless keyboard/mouse.? I also used a flash drive while loading software. ??I will further check with some other devices.

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Ross

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of whmvd
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 3:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer

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Hi Ross,

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This might be kicking in an already open door, but: have you tested that the new computer's USB ports are actually working, say, with an external USB harddisk or some such? In you saga, that's the one thing I've not seen.

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Wouter

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 20:20, Ross Kudlick <Ross_Kudlick@...> wrote:

I¡¯ve hit a road block establishing communication between JMRI and a Digitrax DCS100 using a LocoBuffer-USB interface.? This is a new installation in a computer replacing a recently failed unit.?

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After extensive trouble shooting, including a lengthy telephone trouble shooting consultation with Dick Bronson (RR-CirKits), I believe the issue is with the computer.?

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The trouble shooting has covered all of the ¡®usual suspects;¡¯? JMRI Configuration and Preferences; COM port confirmation, etc.?? Dick had me re-install the LocoBuffer-USB drivers (after removing them using a utility posted on the RR-CirKits web site).?

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The ¡®Monitor LocoNet Stats¡¯ window is blank.? The LocoBuffer is ¡®seeing¡¯ LocoNet activity per the flashing red LED when throttle commands are sent.? This would seem to indicate we are not getting communication between the computer and LocoBuffer.? Several different USB ports were tried; 3 different LocoBuffers were tried.? (The USB ports work with a wireless keyboard and mouse.)

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I substituted a different computer (MS Surface Pro 6 running WIN10 Pro) ?and successfully communicated with the DCS100 with 2 of the 3 LocoBuffers.? (I didn¡¯t try the 3rd LocoBuffer but have no reason to believe it wouldn¡¯t work.)

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Dick and I are at a loss and he suggested I post here to see if anybody has any additional thoughts.? I¡¯m open to any additional ¡®outside-the-box¡¯ ideas.

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Ross Kudlick

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Details:

HP ProDesk 600 G1 SFF? (off-lease refurb)

WIN 10 Pro 10.0.18362

JMRI 4.17.9? (version on the failed computer)

JAVA 1.8.0_221;? changed to JAVA? 12.0.2? at Dick Bronson¡¯s suggestion during trouble shooting

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LocoBuffer-USB version 2.070

DCS100 firmware version FD


Locked Re: DecoderPro &ESU LokSound Factory reset

Frank in Houston
 

THANK YOU...


Locked Re: DecoderPro &ESU LokSound Factory reset

Frank in Houston
 

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THANK YOU AGAIN DAVE.

Question please. ?Since I already selected the model of the decoder for this new Atlas GP-7 (I used ¡°LokSound Select¡±) from the listing of available ESU decoders AND downloaded all of the CV¡¯s from this new locomotive using ¡°LokSound Select¡±, (it took about two hours)¡­. IS it to late to use NEW LOCO¡ª>READ TYPE from Decoder and start all over again? ?(Then again download all CV¡¯s from the locomotive?)?

?I am sure some CV¡¯s used by the locomotive were missed by ¡°LokSound Select¡± as the Atlas instructions that came with the locomotive suggested changing some CV¡¯s which I could not find using ¡°LokSound Select¡±.

Thank you. ?I appreciate your help as I am really trying to get this correct.

Frank W (I-Mac)











Locked Re: Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?

 

When I have been adding new track or turnout icons to my panel, the red boxes on the ends of the icons turn green when they are connected together, does that help determine which editor I am using?


Locked Re: Can I have two points with the same DCC address on a control panel?

 

Thanks for your reply Nick. When I do as you suggest clicking on "File" gives a drop down menu with just two items which are "Store panels" and "Delete this panel". Does that mean I am using the Panel Editor?


Locked Re: Help getting JMRI working on a new WIN10 computer

 

Hi Ross,

This might be kicking in an already open door, but: have you tested that the new computer's USB ports are actually working, say, with an external USB harddisk or some such? In you saga, that's the one thing I've not seen.

Wouter


On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 20:20, Ross Kudlick <Ross_Kudlick@...> wrote:

I¡¯ve hit a road block establishing communication between JMRI and a Digitrax DCS100 using a LocoBuffer-USB interface.? This is a new installation in a computer replacing a recently failed unit.?

?

After extensive trouble shooting, including a lengthy telephone trouble shooting consultation with Dick Bronson (RR-CirKits), I believe the issue is with the computer.?

?

The trouble shooting has covered all of the ¡®usual suspects;¡¯? JMRI Configuration and Preferences; COM port confirmation, etc.?? Dick had me re-install the LocoBuffer-USB drivers (after removing them using a utility posted on the RR-CirKits web site).?

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The ¡®Monitor LocoNet Stats¡¯ window is blank.? The LocoBuffer is ¡®seeing¡¯ LocoNet activity per the flashing red LED when throttle commands are sent.? This would seem to indicate we are not getting communication between the computer and LocoBuffer.? Several different USB ports were tried; 3 different LocoBuffers were tried.? (The USB ports work with a wireless keyboard and mouse.)

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I substituted a different computer (MS Surface Pro 6 running WIN10 Pro) ?and successfully communicated with the DCS100 with 2 of the 3 LocoBuffers.? (I didn¡¯t try the 3rd LocoBuffer but have no reason to believe it wouldn¡¯t work.)

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Dick and I are at a loss and he suggested I post here to see if anybody has any additional thoughts.? I¡¯m open to any additional ¡®outside-the-box¡¯ ideas.

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Ross Kudlick

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Details:

HP ProDesk 600 G1 SFF? (off-lease refurb)

WIN 10 Pro 10.0.18362

JMRI 4.17.9? (version on the failed computer)

JAVA 1.8.0_221;? changed to JAVA? 12.0.2? at Dick Bronson¡¯s suggestion during trouble shooting

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LocoBuffer-USB version 2.070

DCS100 firmware version FD


Locked Re: multi decoder control

 

Jim,

On 2 Aug 2019, at 7:30 AM, Jim Kirwan via Groups.Io <cact25@...> wrote:

Does multi decoder control allow you to program multiple decoder locos? If so how do I use it? Thanks.
That is the intention of that tool. It only works with decoders implementing CV15,16 locking as per NMRA S9.2.2.

But since it was written, many decoder manufacturers have changed/differing parameters, including the range of valid lock keys (some accept 0-7, others 0-255), unlock keys (some use 0 as a universal "master unlock" key, others treat 0 as a valid "lock" key). Furthermore, some manufacturers use a bit in a third unrelated CV as a lock enable/disable.

The current situation is that we are aware of the limitations of the current JMRI multi-decoder support, but rewriting it to be manufacturer-specific is no easy task and has drifted to the back-burner due to other pressures.

Dave in Australia


Locked Re: Engine Only Responds to Short Address

 

Nick,

On 2 Aug 2019, at 4:41 AM, Nick via Groups.Io <cornwall9@...> wrote:

On the other problem with the NCE system, I have run into an issue similar to that when a friend programmed some decoders on an NCE system. For some unknown reason, the NCE system somehow added a zero to the leading digit of the loco address. (They were 3-digit numbers) Digitrax would not recognize them but the NCE system did. Once I reprogrammed them on a Digitrax system, the problem disappeared. They were not programmed through JMRI on the NCE system but he used the throttle and a programming track.
Marc has already given you a correct explanation. But I suggest you also read this document as it well explains this topic and DCC system addressing differences:
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Dave in Australia


Locked Re: Versions 4.16 & 4.17

 

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Marc,

On 2 Aug 2019, at 3:36 AM, forfoum@... wrote:

Interesting: The simple fact of starting DecoderPro, doing absolutely nothing to any roster entry, Closing DecoderPro. The ROSTER folder? in the
USER/Marc/JMRI gets updated to a new time/date along with the roster.xml file it contains.

Are you saying there's a "roster.xml" file within the "roster" folder within "Roster Location"? That shouldn't be the case.

The?"Roster Location" should always point to a folder containing?the?"roster.xml" file and the "roster" folder.


So there is some manipulation going on in the background.

Every time JMRI opens, the contents of "roster.xml" is read into memory. Every time JMRI closes the existing "roster.xml" is renamed?"roster.xml.bak" and?a fresh copy of "roster.xml" is written. This is regardless of whether or not any changes have been made.

Entries in the?"roster" folder are only updated if things like group membership or user fields were changed in the session. So for a simple open/close JMRI, only?"roster.xml" should change and the timestamp on the?"roster" folder should not change. If it does, that indicates a likely configuration error.

Dave in Australia


Locked Re: Using LOGIX to set Sensor to Unknown #logix

 

Thanks Dave, for suggesting a work around, although also an addition for a future release: ?being able to check and set all four sensor states from within Logix. ?Jerry
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jerryg2003@...


Locked Re: restoring sensors and blocks

 

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Tom,

First go to the LocoNet drop down list and select 'Monitor LocoNet Stats.'? (4th item) It should show three boxes with the firmware revision, breaks, and errors. That tells you that the LocoNet and LocoBuffer-USB are setup and working OK. Only if that reports OK should you start looking in other places. If that test shows a long row of empty boxes, then something is still not setup or working correctly.

Dick :)

On 8/1/2019 11:19 PM, Tom Cain wrote:

Spuds,

Sorry that I forgot to mention that my command station is a NCE PH Pro Radio system. ?The JMRI Panel Pro version is 4.15.9 and Java is version 1.8.0-211

But since I am using the LocoBuffer USB to translate detection back to JMRI and the computer, all the Sensor tables had the LS prefix. ?And now I recall and I think you are saying that they pretty much populate themselves as the detection sees trains. ?But they aren't, so I"m wondering if the Team Digital SIC boards lost their programming or were dealt a death blow by the lighting strike. ?I have had the Loconet Monitor open and it remains blank when cars with resistor wheel sets or locomotives roll into a block even when the LED down on the detection board under the layout shows occupancy. ?The info isn't traveling to the computer.

Thomas Cain
Indianapolis, IN
atsf93@...
See my?NEW website?and layout?at: ?
Modeling the Eastern Illinois?Santa Fe from the Prototype


Locked Re: Predicate memory in Logix not renamed when user name changed #memory #renaming #logix

 

Ken,

The target for a memory to memory copy is a string field which contains the destination memory name. It appears that there is no provision for a named bean handle so the name change is not recognized.

Dave Sand

On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Ken Cameron <kcameron@...> wrote:

Changing names, sometimes requires saving and restarting so everything picks
up the name change. Many things get the change notice and work right away,
but some, view like the name gets passed down a few times. The lower level
didn't listen for the change. This isn't a great explanation, but worth
keeping in mind. Now I would say this is more historic detail. I know in the
prior and current development cycle they are making changes that could
likely make differences here. Further testing with latest development code
would be interesting.

Now after doing the save and restart, did the Logix have the right names
(and actions)?

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.com
www.syracusemodelrr.org