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Which Econami definition are you using. I took a look at "ECO-21P Diesel" and it looked fine.?
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On 22 Aug 2018, at 12:48 PM, Steve Teter via Groups.Io < s_teter@...> wrote: I was programing an early econami 21 pin decoder today and noticed there was no legacy function pane and the regular function pane seemed to be incomplete.? Am I missing something?? I'm using 4.13.2 on a windows 7 machine.? ? Steve Teter??
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There's only one Roster File for each decoder and programming changes should be saved to that.
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On 22 Aug 2018, at 8:07 AM, paxton58@... wrote: When I update CVs with the programming file and save the updates to the roster, they are not saved to the roster file in the JMRI file.?? Are there two different roster files and how do I update the correct roster?
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I was programing an early econami 21 pin decoder today and noticed there was no legacy function pane and the regular function pane seemed to be incomplete.? Am I missing something?? I'm using 4.13.2 on a windows 7 machine.? ? Steve Teter??
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Re: Remote Access of Locations Window
Thanks for those suggestions, Steve.? I will explore some of those other options to see if they are viable.
You've aroused my curiosity though about finding someone willing and able to write the web apps.? Is there somewhere I could go to find the code used to rewrite the Trains window/list as a web app?? I'm willing, just not sure about the able part.? I am by no means a master programmer, but I've been "playing" with visual basic, javascript, html, etc. for years.? You can contact me off-list if that would be better to discuss this further.? If I saw an example, I would quickly know if I was in over my head or not.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: Help to Automate my railroad.
In (most forms of) automated running, you can only control the position of the train to the size of the block. If you want to stop a train nicely at a signal, it’s hard if there’s a 10-foot block in front of the signal. It’s _much_ easier if there are smaller blocks, maybe a 1-foot one before the signal: When it goes occupied, you can slow the train to a stop. That’s just one example, of course, but in general finer location can make a lot of things simpler. Bob On Aug 21, 2018, at 1:59 PM, leo pesce <lpescester@...> wrote:
Why do blocks need to be longer that max train length? I am assuming all cars have resistors, otherwise yes, I see why blocks need to be like that. -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Re: Full timetable automation - AutoDispatcher 2 - abstraction - documentation - scripting
On Aug 21, 2018, at 8:06 AM, Andy Reichert <andy_r@...> wrote:
I'd be very doubtful about trying to adapt a large complex set of software, with lots of semi-autonomous actions, designed to operate one complex system definition, to a quite differently purposed and defined complex system. I'd anticipate a lot of unexpected surprises and unintended consequences. And yet, that’s what we do around here. Continually. Not particularly efficiently, sometimes having to backtrack, but often successfully. My career experience has favored understanding and defining the user/market requirements fully first, then designing a suitable functional architecture and matching implementation second. (hardware and software). But this is a hobby, not a career. And the costs of experimentation are much smaller. So I encourage people to just write a little bit of code and try it, for this timetable project or anything else. Start with implementing your own initial ideas, or following something somebody else has suggested, or even implement an approach from elsewhere. If you can build on it to something bigger, that’s great. If you find an problem that nobody had thought of and have to backtrack, well, that’s still valuable knowledge, and it’s still progress. Bob -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Re: Preferences are not saving under PR3 mode
Hi!
i got back to this tonight.
I verified that the PR4 is connected to the computer.
In the device manager I unplugged & replugged in the PR4 & watched disco & reconnect.
A new connection was made in Panel Pro to no avail.
The same issue still exists.
I did find out that the connection to the DCS240 was through the PR4.
I can't connect to it through USB.
There are USB issues with my computer.
Things were bad enough my computer crashed & had to do a reinstall.
A reinstall of JMRI & it still happens.
A thought just occurred to me, all my prefs are in my Dropbox folder.
Everything except for the base install.
I did that to keep from losing my loco's & pref's through each iteration of JMRI.
Could the issue be there??
Jay
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Can you tell me the value of CV 256 for the F45?
Thanks,
Michael Mosher
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DCC Master PVSMR
On 8/17/2018 12:53 AM, Richard Knight
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Michael, Thanks. As i mentioned this was an over the phone
"help" session that became complicated when we discovered the
definition for the F45 was not listed. We did pick a loco with a
similar prime mover but still ended up with an unresponsive
decoder. After a reset and a retry today at my friends place I
discovered the Sprog 2 he is using did not seem to have enough
power to program and read correctly the TSU2. I use a Sprog 3
with upgraded power supply at home so my results have been
better. Found a similar situation at the club with a 12 volt
125ma power supply? for the sprog not being able to read write a
QSI V7 decoder. Rick.
On 8/16/2018 5:58 PM, Michael Mosher
wrote:
The info has not been released by Soundtraxx yet for TSU2
equipped F45s.
They have info on Genesis locos here:
but the F45 not yet listed AND those files don't have
everything needed to create a decoder definition.? For Tsunami2
and Econami decoders, JMRI needs the value of CV253 and 256
(read only values in the decoder); 253 is always 3 for Genesis
& Athearn locos but 256 is unique for each model and the
definition need that number for the identification routine to
work.? I've been waiting for a few months now to get info from
Soundtraxx but with their trade up program, new decoder models
released and recent NMRA show they've been busy.
Now you can use other Genesis TSU2 definitions, the default
values are not going to match what's in the loco so you'll have
to read everything before making changes.? Another thing that
might not match will be enumerated lists of sound choices, but
so far the Genesis lists have been fairly consisted between
models with same prime mover type, since F45 has 645, pick one
that also has 645 (like a GP40-2) and probably the sound choices
will be OK.
Michael Mosher
Webmaster, ECSFM
Member SFRH&MS
DCC Master PVSMR
On 8/15/2018 3:45 PM, Richard
Knight wrote:
Hi, i am trying to help a friend, over the phone!, with his
Athearn Genesis F45 with TSU2. The basic problem is this
engine is not listed in the choices when reading the loc with
decoder pro. The F45 and FP45 are listed in the TSU1 but some
of the CV's have been changed with different options in the
TSU2. ?I was using GP38-2 as a stand in but this became
problematical also. Is there any chance that the F45 could be
added to the list? ?Thanks to Michael Mosher I could get the
new file on the WOWV3and 4 diesel, download and install into
the current version of decoder pro. Thanks Again, Rick.
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This issue has been discussed? Look on the websight for all the comments
My opinion is jmri can only be used with the digitrax programming track by chance with paragon decoders. Sometimes it will identify the engine and most times it won’t. I am told that you need to boost the power used to read and write normal decoders to read and write sound decoders in general and paragon in particular. ?Sprog 3 and digitrax pm4 programmers were suggested.?
Try the following Run the engine, if new its address is 3. See the engine run. Put engine on programming track, open decoder pro, select new engine, select find - if it doesn’t find the decoder then select it yourself Open the programmer to basic page Enter a 4 digit address and select it Write changes on page. ?See error message telling you the engine didn’t respond Place engine on track and run it using 4 digit address. ?If it runs your good The company broadway limited which uses these decoders claim their decoders are good and can be programmed using the handheld doing one cv variable at a time
You may need to use a programmer with more power and an interface like jmri
I haven’t solved the problem for myself yet
Tony
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On Aug 21, 2018, at 7:47 PM, David dareese51 < dareese51@...> wrote: Bill When you put the loco on your programming track connected to JMRI are you clicking on new loco? If so make sure you choose either Diesel or Steam under Paragon 3 and not rolling thunder.? That is the only thing I can think to tell you.? I am sure others will have advice.
David
On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:30 PM, Bill Knecht < wfknecht@...> wrote: I am having a problem programing paragon 3 decoders.? Has anyone found how to program them with JMRI? I am using JMRI ver 4.13.2 and
can't get any changes to enter into the decoders on the programing track.
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One of the most common questions about JMRI is "How do I get it to work?". This
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When asking ANY question, you should >>>utilize a meaningful subject line<<< that indicates
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Bill When you put the loco on your programming track connected to JMRI are you clicking on new loco? If so make sure you choose either Diesel or Steam under Paragon 3 and not rolling thunder.? That is the only thing I can think to tell you.? I am sure others will have advice.
David
On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:30 PM, Bill Knecht <wfknecht@...> wrote:
I am having a problem programing paragon 3 decoders.? Has anyone found how to program them with JMRI? I am using JMRI ver 4.13.2 and
can't get any changes to enter into the decoders on the programing track.
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Re: Full timetable automation - AutoDispatcher 2 - abstraction - documentation - scripting
James,
I think you need to define “full timetable system”. My definition is a system that describes the railroad and the scheduled trains indicating the times those trains will be at each location. The output is the employee timetable. This is used to implement “timetable and train order” operations. It can also feed a train management system which is responsible for day to day train activity.
My idea is based on a timetable system that I developed in the early 90s. The current version is a web based application. That system requires supplying all of the layout data, such as distance between locations, along with planned trains with their speeds, stops, etc.
Dave Sand
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On Aug 21, 2018, at 5:16 PM, jamespetts via Groups.Io <jamespetts@...> wrote:
I suspect that Andy is probably right (if I understand him correctly) and that the best implementation of a full timetable system would be perhaps a little more from the ground up than the lighter implementation suggested by David - but it is interesting that this topic is being discussed at all.
As Andy noted, one would need to start by understanding what users might actually want to do, and then consider what abstraction layers are necessary to generalise these functions into a workable set of algorithms in a way that interfaces well with the existing systems and data structures.
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can't get any changes to enter into the decoders on the programing track.
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Re: Speed steps Decoder pro Test Throttle
Bob, thanks. I tried saving as default. You are probably right that i have to bring the default up each time. This has been going on for me for a couple of years. I just have to remember to go through the motions to change the throttle to 28 speed steps each time. If you are not aware of this the throttle slider can only move about i/4th the travel and then the decoder returns to zero speed. Makes it look there is something wrong with the decoder but it is the test throttle. Now the club D.P. is doing the same thing. ? Thanks, Rick.
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I suspect that Andy is probably right (if I understand him correctly) and that the best implementation of a full timetable system would be perhaps a little more from the ground up than the lighter implementation suggested by David - but it is interesting that this topic is being discussed at all.
As Andy noted, one would need to start by understanding what users might actually want to do, and then consider what abstraction layers are necessary to generalise these functions into a workable set of algorithms in a way that interfaces well with the existing systems and data structures.
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Why wont train length blocks with only the caboose with resistor be adaquate.
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On Aug 21, 2018, at 4:59 PM, leo pesce < lpescester@...> wrote: I have to ask>
Why do blocks need to be longer that max train length? I am assuming all cars have resistors, otherwise yes, I see why blocks need to be like that.
Leo
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I have to ask>
Why do blocks need to be longer that max train length? I am assuming all cars have resistors, otherwise yes, I see why blocks need to be like that.
Leo
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George,
What do you mean by "4 blocks separated”?
The unexpected blocks in the Block table is a known issue which I am currently investigating.
If you upload your panel xml file to the ProblemsBeingWorkedOn folder, I can review it and make recommendations for the next steps.
Dave Sand
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On Aug 21, 2018, at 2:24 PM, george.pendergraft <gmpender@...> wrote:
I have my layout built physically and in Layout Editor. I have 4 blocks separated in the layout. I am running a Digitrax Loconet system through RR-Cirkits. I am using Microsoft Vista on my remote (no internet computer)
I have a Turnout table for all my turnouts and they are switched from a remote panel plus the computer.
I have a Block table with many automatic block names set that do not make sense, and I am not sure which one is which or where it is.
I have been reading the help manual and every time I start reading I have to have some other device or setup done to get my trains to run around the track. I am sure it is not that hard, or is it?
I read where I have to have Reporters
I read where I have to have Sensors among other things.
I do NOT read how to set up a train to get it running under what I have, or how to set up the reporter and other things to get MY train working.
It is a pretty large layout but not that big. 3 (4x8) boards. I am using a Zepher 50 to run the trains. All is DCC.
I am only getting more confused as I read the manual. It seems that it used to be a lot simpler.
Please I hope someone can help just to simplify the process.
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Just a few comments If you have 3. 4x8 board layout and only 4 blocks your not going to have many trains running. ?Your blocks should be train length. ?On my 8x8 layout i have over 40 blocks. I use digitrax and rrckts interface also. Each block must be connected to the loconet via a bxp88 (8 blocks per device with transponding) or bdl168 (16 blocks per card-no transponding) board. ?Your switches get connected to the loconet via ds64 devices. I believe you can use virtual switches and not actually have your switches connected to the internet. Reporters work off of transponders. Your decoder in your engine must have transponding. Many new one do, old ones dont. Reporters are added to your layout panel and tells you which engine is in which block. You must have a signal system setup on your layout panel. Again the signals dont have to be real on the layout. Trains travel from block to block via your layout panel which tells the computer how your blocks are connected. It reads signals at the junction of each block. The computer then runs your trains after you set up routes, transits, and trains. Are you doing operations?
What do you want to do.
Tony
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On Aug 21, 2018, at 3:24 PM, george.pendergraft < gmpender@...> wrote: I have my layout built physically and in Layout Editor. I have 4 blocks separated in the layout. I am running a Digitrax Loconet system through RR-Cirkits. I am? using Microsoft Vista on my remote (no internet computer)
I have a Turnout table for all my turnouts and they are switched from a remote panel plus the computer.
I have a Block table with many automatic block names set that do not make sense, and I am not sure which one is which or where it is.
I have been reading the help manual and every time I start reading I have to have some other device or setup done to get my trains to run around the track. I am sure it is not that hard, or is it?
I read where I have to have Reporters
I read where I have to have Sensors among other things.
I do NOT read how to set up a train to get it running under what I have, or how to set up the reporter and other things to get MY train working.
It is a pretty large layout but not that big. 3 (4x8) boards. I am using a Zepher 50 to run the trains. All is DCC.
I am only getting more confused as I read the manual. It seems that it used to be a lot simpler.
Please I hope someone can help just to simplify the process.
George
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