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Great, thanks. I, too, bought a bunch of cheap Chinese ones and they wernt any better quality than the ones I got at the local Radio Shack when it closed. On 8/7/2017 4:54 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers] wrote:
Bob,
Yes many of the little push buttons are unreliable. On recommendation of a
friend I bought a large quality from We Hxoxoxo in China. I had several
split open. It was no bargain.
I have since gone to Grayhill 706-30-601RED for just above $2 each and
have
had no issues since.
Mark
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What about for pushbuttons? Those tiny ones that are around are very
unreliable.
On 8/7/2017 4:24 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@...
[jmriusers] wrote:
Billybob,
You are correct in that Mike B does not provide much electronics. His
forte
is the casted metal levers and plates. Likewise Rick R provides the
molded
plastic reproduction parts. They do however, recommend parts that you can
buy from most electronic suppliers.
Several years ago Rick suggested the Alpha 10YD062 rotary switch available
from www.Mouser.com It has been replaced by 105-SR2511F-62FN.
Unfortunately
the min on this is 1000. Although the cut over is at 30 degrees it is a
multi-position and 2 clicks get 60 deg. Not perfect.
However, the 105-SR2511F-62FN is a Grayhill single deck 2 position SPDT,
rated at 200 ma, 28V, DC 115VAC, with a 60 degree rotation. Only $11.58 in
single quantities. From there prices go up. It has a lug connection
but not
easily soldered. The data sheet shows a solder lug style available.
For controlling signals you will need a 3 position switch. Grayhill
105-SR2511F-62FN is similar in a 3 position. Same price.
I have not taken the time to do an exhaustive search of Mouser to find the
perfect match but it may be there amongst the many parts that they
have. If
you come up with something let us know. As I get some time I will
search, as
I have plans to build a reproduction CTC machine (USS&S).
Mark Juett
From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 11:01 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Panel hardware
There are some limits to what CTCParts.com can provide.
CTCParts.com specializes in the "plates" one uses on a CTC machine.
This is
where Mike's product offerings excel.
In general, Mike doesn't offer much in the way of electronics things like
rotary switches, pushbuttons, or lamps. One exception is a pushbutton
which
mimics the "feel" of a US&S pushbutton.
What are the alternatives?
For these "common" electronics components, your best bet is likely to be a
general-purpose electronics supplier. In the US, some suppliers include
Mouser.com, Digikey.com, All-electronics.com.
Rotary switches with 60 degree rotation (for US&S machines) or 90 degree
rotation (for GRS machines) can be tough to find off-the-shelf. They
do show
up occasionally. And Mouser and Digikey have often "mis-cataloged" a
manufacturer's parts as 30 degree when they really were 60 degree or 90
degree, so it helps to spend the time looking at manufacturer's specs for
the various part numbers cataloged by the supplier.
Last time I looked, Digikey and Mouser did not have any stock for 60
degree-indexed switches, but could provide 60 degree rotary switches for
orders of 2000 parts.
Tomar Inc., of Benton Harbor, MI, provides (or provided) some cast-brass
inserts which can be used in some "open" styles of commercial rotary
switches to convert a 30 degree-indexed rotary switch to 60 degree
indexing
or 90 degree indexing. Tomar also has produced US&S-like "knobs", but I
think that they no longer produce the knobs.
An alternative is to purchase "Alpha" brand enclosed 30 degree-indexed
rotary switches, and modify for 60 degree or 90 degree indexing. I've done
this by filling in one or two consecutive "indents" in the rotary switch
shell with epoxy. The trick is to open the thing without losing the spring
or ball-bearings. And to put the spring and bearings back into the
shell and
reassemble it, without losing the parts.
I do not have any particular recommendations for lampholders/bezels/lenses
or for pushbuttons.
Regards,
Billybob
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Mark,
could you please provide the correct part numbers for the switches you referenced? You have shown the same part number for 3 different switches.
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Dale Gloer
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Andy,
The CTCParts.com web site has an introduction to CTC - see . Specifically, "Part 5: The Control Machine", at the bottom of the page, gives basic descriptions of the lamps and levers.
One thing I'm learning is that a given lever or lamp on the prototypical machine doesn't always have a simple explanation. There's always an exception. And railroad "X" did it this way but "Y" did it a different way and "Z" left that feature out and railroad "W" did something altogether different.
So, if you want to be strictly accurate-to-prototype, you need to discuss your implementation with an expert in signalling. I know that Mike at CTCparts.com is willing (eager?) to discuss, the various prototype railroad practices, including whys and what-fors, indocator colors, control machine plate shapes, sounds, signal aspects, braking distances, switch geometries, etc., and how they come together as a prototypical signal system. Getting some of his time, however, can be challenging.
Regards,
Billybob
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Hi all, any news on this topic,
JMRI PanelPro - Programming Support for M?rklin CS2 / Doehler&Haass Programmer
Regards,
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Thanks Dan, regarding the Excel apps.
James Allen
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Whoops, I skipped this message. Actually there are two different Excel Apps
for each Manifest version, if you follow that. One is for Excel 2007 or
older (back to 2000) and the other is for Excel 2020 and newer (up through
Excel 365). In MicroSoft's infinite wisdom, that made some significant
changes to VBA or internal parameters that made the original code
non-functional in the later versions. But both App versions of each of the
nine Manifest versions have been tested and function.
*Dan (Choo-Choo)** Foltz*
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Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out.
Andy
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On 8/7/2017 5:36 PM, rodneyblack2000@... [jmriusers] wrote: Andy,
Dr. Bruce Chubbs Volume 2 is pretty complete. His articles in Railroad Model Craftsman are helpful. Part 14 (April 2014) has a few photos. There are some references on line, but the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Mike Burgett's web site: .
Rodney
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Where would I find a definition of the functions of the individual
switches? I'm intrigued by the possibility of simulating a panel.
Andy Reichert
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Andy,
Dr. Bruce Chubbs Volume 2 is pretty complete. His articles in Railroad Model Craftsman are helpful. Part 14 (April 2014) has a few photos. There are some references on line, but the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Mike Burgett's web site: .
Rodney
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Where would I find a definition of the functions of the individual
switches? I'm intrigued by the possibility of simulating a panel.
Andy Reichert
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Thank you
Tony
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On Aug 7, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
With the Mac you are simply dragging the distributed JMRI folder from the .dmg file to your Applications folder. Since you can't rename a folder on a disk image (Readonly) you'll have to rename the old one in /Applications before dragging. Once in /Applications, you can rename either folder as you wish (it may ask you to authenticate).
Both JMRI versions will use the same preferences and User Files in ~/Preferences/JMRI .
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On 8 Aug 2017, at 7:01 AM, AD bklyns_baseball_club@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Will will the new folder that you named be the old one or will it ask me to fill that in with different info
Tony
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On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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Thanks for the information guys, much appreciated. Jerry Michels
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Looks like Yahoo stripped off the photo. I've uploaded it to the files section of the group. There should be a file upload announcement with a link.
Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV
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Hi Andy,
I'm not sure if this group strips photos but here goes. The attached photo
shows a prototype CTC machine that was on the Cascade line of the Southern
Pacific. From top to bottom the switches are:
S.H. is for the switch heater.
39NR is for switch 39 normal or reverse. This is a 60 degree switch.
40LR is for signal 40 left or right. This is a 30 degree switch with the
center off.
Toggle switch is for the maintainer call.
Push button is the code button
If you want to know what the lamps are for please ask.
Cheers, Dennis Drury
Dayton, NV
The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have.
Leonard Nimoy
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With the Mac you are simply dragging the distributed JMRI folder from the .dmg file to your Applications folder. Since you can't rename a folder on a disk image (Readonly) you'll have to rename the old one in /Applications before dragging. Once in /Applications, you can rename either folder as you wish (it may ask you to authenticate).
Both JMRI versions will use the same preferences and User Files in ~/Preferences/JMRI .
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On 8 Aug 2017, at 7:01 AM, AD bklyns_baseball_club@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Will will the new folder that you named be the old one or will it ask me to fill that in with different info
Tony
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On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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On Aug 7, 2017, at 2:54 PM, wmseapc@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Paul; my settings are as you stated; yet it doesn't load quickly or restart properly. Would their be a problem with the Defaults? Slow starting can happen for a number of reasons. What does the log say when it restarts? Does it still have the disconnected command station message? Alternately, if you open the XpressNet system information tool, is there a reported command station version and type? My own mac is slow to restarting JMRI because it is getting the old at this point (I have a circa 2010 Mac mini. The last OS upgrade made it struggle ) What do you mean by it doesn't restart properly? There could be a defaults issue, but you should at least get a reported command station type and version if the communication settings are right. Paul
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Hi Andy, I'm not sure if this group strips photos but here goes. The attached photo shows a prototype CTC machine that was on the Cascade line of the Southern Pacific. From top to bottom the switches are: S.H. is for the switch heater. 39NR is for switch 39 normal or reverse. This is a 60 degree switch. 40LR is for signal 40 left or right. This is a 30 degree switch with the center off. Toggle switch is for the maintainer call. Push button is the code button If you want to know what the lamps are for please ask. Cheers, Dennis Drury Dayton, NV The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have. Leonard Nimoy On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:52 PM, 'andy_r+intelegence.com' andy_r@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Where would I find a definition of the functions of the individual
switches? I'm intrigued by the possibility of simulating a panel.
Andy Reichert
On 8/7/2017 1:54 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@...
[jmriusers] wrote:
Bob,
Yes many of the little push buttons are unreliable. On recommendation of a
friend I bought a large quality from We Hxoxoxo in China. I had several
split open. It was no bargain.
I have since gone to Grayhill 706-30-601RED for just above $2 each and have
had no issues since.
Mark
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Where would I find a definition of the functions of the individual switches? I'm intrigued by the possibility of simulating a panel.
Andy Reichert
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On 8/7/2017 1:54 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers] wrote: Bob,
Yes many of the little push buttons are unreliable. On recommendation of a
friend I bought a large quality from We Hxoxoxo in China. I had several
split open. It was no bargain.
I have since gone to Grayhill 706-30-601RED for just above $2 each and have
had no issues since.
Mark
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A possible enhancement to the Layout Editor
When in LE edit mode and you click on a turnout or block circle, a window pops up with some information and some options.
The enhancement request would be to add the sensor information along with the turnout number and the block number as part of the information.
Currently to find out the sensor information takes somewhere around 3 or 4 clicks of various options to find out what the sensor is.
Also would be helpful when clicking on a block circle.
Hoping that a change to add the sensor information as part of information displayed is somewhat trivial.
Thanks for such a great tool.
Marshall
Phoenix
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Will will the new folder that you named be the old one or will it ask me to fill that in with different info
Tony
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On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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On 8 Aug 2017, at 5:22 AM, ANTHONY DALILEO bklyns_baseball_club@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to run two versions of jmri. My present version is working but later versions give me problems so I have not updated in a while.
Can i install the latest version of jmri without damaging or over writing the existing version.
Using a Mac book pro using the mac version and windows xp version using parallels.
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Sorry, accidentally sent message before completion (iPad toppled over and finger touched Send button).
- With a PC, you need to customise either or both installations by changing the installation folder name slightly at the appropriate point in the install procedure (I'm going from memory but I'm pretty sure the option is there - if not the procedure is more complex).
- You will also have to rename desktop shortcuts to keep them from being overwritten by the second installation.
- DO NOT rename the /Users/<myusername>/JMRI folder.
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On 8 Aug 2017, at 6:49 AM, Dave Heap <dgheap@...> wrote:
With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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Bob,
Yes many of the little push buttons are unreliable. On recommendation of a
friend I bought a large quality from We Hxoxoxo in China. I had several
split open. It was no bargain.
I have since gone to Grayhill 706-30-601RED for just above $2 each and have
had no issues since.
Mark
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-----Original Message----- From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...] Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 3:33 PM To: jmriusers@... Subject: Re: FW: [jmriusers] Panel hardware What about for pushbuttons? Those tiny ones that are around are very unreliable. On 8/7/2017 4:24 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers] wrote:
Billybob,
You are correct in that Mike B does not provide much electronics. His
forte
is the casted metal levers and plates. Likewise Rick R provides the molded
plastic reproduction parts. They do however, recommend parts that you can
buy from most electronic suppliers.
Several years ago Rick suggested the Alpha 10YD062 rotary switch available
from www.Mouser.com It has been replaced by 105-SR2511F-62FN.
Unfortunately
the min on this is 1000. Although the cut over is at 30 degrees it is a
multi-position and 2 clicks get 60 deg. Not perfect.
However, the 105-SR2511F-62FN is a Grayhill single deck 2 position SPDT,
rated at 200 ma, 28V, DC 115VAC, with a 60 degree rotation. Only $11.58 in
single quantities. From there prices go up. It has a lug connection
but not
easily soldered. The data sheet shows a solder lug style available.
For controlling signals you will need a 3 position switch. Grayhill
105-SR2511F-62FN is similar in a 3 position. Same price.
I have not taken the time to do an exhaustive search of Mouser to find the
perfect match but it may be there amongst the many parts that they
have. If
you come up with something let us know. As I get some time I will
search, as
I have plans to build a reproduction CTC machine (USS&S).
Mark Juett
From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 11:01 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Panel hardware
There are some limits to what CTCParts.com can provide.
CTCParts.com specializes in the "plates" one uses on a CTC machine.
This is
where Mike's product offerings excel.
In general, Mike doesn't offer much in the way of electronics things like
rotary switches, pushbuttons, or lamps. One exception is a pushbutton
which
mimics the "feel" of a US&S pushbutton.
What are the alternatives?
For these "common" electronics components, your best bet is likely to be a
general-purpose electronics supplier. In the US, some suppliers include
Mouser.com, Digikey.com, All-electronics.com.
Rotary switches with 60 degree rotation (for US&S machines) or 90 degree
rotation (for GRS machines) can be tough to find off-the-shelf. They
do show
up occasionally. And Mouser and Digikey have often "mis-cataloged" a
manufacturer's parts as 30 degree when they really were 60 degree or 90
degree, so it helps to spend the time looking at manufacturer's specs for
the various part numbers cataloged by the supplier.
Last time I looked, Digikey and Mouser did not have any stock for 60
degree-indexed switches, but could provide 60 degree rotary switches for
orders of 2000 parts.
Tomar Inc., of Benton Harbor, MI, provides (or provided) some cast-brass
inserts which can be used in some "open" styles of commercial rotary
switches to convert a 30 degree-indexed rotary switch to 60 degree
indexing
or 90 degree indexing. Tomar also has produced US&S-like "knobs", but I
think that they no longer produce the knobs.
An alternative is to purchase "Alpha" brand enclosed 30 degree-indexed
rotary switches, and modify for 60 degree or 90 degree indexing. I've done
this by filling in one or two consecutive "indents" in the rotary switch
shell with epoxy. The trick is to open the thing without losing the spring
or ball-bearings. And to put the spring and bearings back into the
shell and
reassemble it, without losing the parts.
I do not have any particular recommendations for lampholders/bezels/lenses
or for pushbuttons.
Regards,
Billybob
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With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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61 Canambe Street phone: + 61 2 6772 1598 mob: 0417 675 035
Armidale NSW 2350, Australia
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On 8 Aug 2017, at 5:22 AM, ANTHONY DALILEO bklyns_baseball_club@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to run two versions of jmri. My present version is working but later versions give me problems so I have not updated in a while.
Can i install the latest version of jmri without damaging or over writing the existing version.
Using a Mac book pro using the mac version and windows xp version using parallels.
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Bob McCown
Dale Gloer