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Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about
it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but
after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the
706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering
rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same
filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the
market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for
about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the
rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a
few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
N4PGW
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Buck,
DSP filtering and demodulation/modulation is also used in Ten Tec receivers and transceivers from the $329 RX-320D to the $3300 Orion. DSP filtering is not necessarily better that crystal lattice filtering; it depends the receiver design, on the processing powerof the DSP chip (or chips) and the dynamic range of the A/D converter. The Orion uses more powerful DSP's than the RX-320D. As a matter of fact, the Main receiver of the Orion uses crystal filters for the front end roofing filtering.
The more powerful DSP's are more expensive and consume more power, but the price and power consumption comes down as newer generations of IC's are introduced. It's a tradeoff on price, performance and power dissipation. Let's see what ICOM comes up with...
73,
Mike N2MS
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What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering
rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same
filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
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--- "Buck (N4PGW)" <na4fm-list@...> wrote: I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if
the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around
here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range. My first inclination was to say aroung $1300--didn't the 706 hover in about that range for a while? However, $1500 puts it in the 746PRO price range, which I don't think they'll want to do. Even $1300 puts it quite a bit above its competitors in the mobile rig arena. I'm guessing about $1100--a little higher than the TS-480 series, $300 or so above the FT-857. It may start out higher, but drop fairly soon. All this info comes from a cracked crystal ball, of course...hi. 73, Paul K4PDM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Hmm, I think that's the same with mine. Maybe we should inform the
distributor that he needs to pack them better.
Thanks for the comments. It makes sense. I don't know what price the 706
came out as, but what they retail for now. I do know they went up in price
for a while. (I guess the dollar fell).
73,
Buck N4PGW
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All this info comes from a cracked crystal ball, of course...hi.
73,
Paul K4PDM
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Buck, I agree. The new rig could be 2 - 3 times more than a 706 (I hope not). Just like the Pro3 is 3 times the price of a 746Pro. This is only conjecture on my part, but is based on the price of other new radios they have come out with. I guess we iwll not know until it happens.
Mike, W4KTX
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From: "Buck \(N4PGW\)" <na4fm-list@...>
Date: 2005/02/16 Wed AM 08:58:14 EST
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
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Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same
technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the
IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise
floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC
(analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue
RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter
shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP-based
radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro
series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices.
The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than
that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather
costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less
than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important
role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to
the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is
lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom
page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Buck (N4PGW) [mailto:na4fm-list@...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 05:58
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about
it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but
after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the
706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering
rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same
filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the
market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for
about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the
rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a
few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
N4PGW
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Adam, does the 756ProIII not have a more powerfull DSP than the ProII? --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC (analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices. The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Buck (N4PGW) [mailto:na4fm-list@t...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 05:58
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the 706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
N4PGW
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Hi group, Dan here.(N1GXC) It looks like a nice rig and I'm going to
wait to see what the story is instead of buying a Yaesu 897-D or
other radio. I'd like it to be around $850-$1000 but I'll probably
choke on that one. I'm going to be doing some serious DXpeditions
this year so we'll see.
Dan
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Hi, It reminds me of an ICOM engineer saying in an interview that IC-746 would be the last transceiver that uses conventional crystal filters for IF. 73 de JA7UDE Oba --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC (analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices. The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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Yes I did read this too. But IC-718 and IC-703 came after the IC-746 and still had the conventional filter concept. --- In ic7000@..., "Oba" <ja7ude@g...> wrote:
Hi,
It reminds me of an ICOM engineer saying in an interview that IC-
746 would be the last transceiver that uses conventional crystal filters for IF.
73 de JA7UDE Oba
--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same
technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the
IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise
floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC
(analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue
RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter
shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based
radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro
series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices.
The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than
that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather
costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less
than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important
role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to
the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is
lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom
page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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Hi Peter,
As far as I can determine without the schematics, the 756Pro3 uses the same
DSP, ADC and DAC as the 756Pro2. It has been reported that the noise
reduction is superior to that of the Pro2; this may suggest a slightly
faster DSP.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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-----Original Message----- From: Peter [mailto:hb9pjt@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 13:40 To: ic7000@... Subject: [ic7000] Re: Price of the IC-7000 Adam, does the 756ProIII not have a more powerfull DSP than the ProII? --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC (analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices. The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Buck (N4PGW) [mailto:na4fm-list@t...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 05:58
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the 706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
N4PGW
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Thanks Adam. IC-756proII has not a very powerfull DSP. We will see. 73, Peter --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Peter,
As far as I can determine without the schematics, the 756Pro3 uses the same DSP, ADC and DAC as the 756Pro2. It has been reported that the noise reduction is superior to that of the Pro2; this may suggest a slightly faster DSP.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Peter [mailto:hb9pjt@u...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 13:40
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Re: Price of the IC-7000
Adam, does the 756ProIII not have a more powerfull DSP than the
ProII?
--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same
technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the
IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise
floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC
(analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue
RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter
shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based
radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro
series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices.
The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than
that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather
costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less
than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important
role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to
the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is
lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom
page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Buck (N4PGW) [mailto:na4fm-list@t...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 05:58
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about
it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but
after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the
706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering
rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same
filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the
market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for
about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the
rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a
few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
N4PGW
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Do you remember the pricing of the 706 when it was first announced? Many who don't would be suprised at its high level, compared to the sub $800 that it has been available for the pase couple of years. And of course that was the original 706 without all the improvements and features of the latest version. Taking into consideration the changes in the valuation of the dollar/yen down the road, one might expect similar price changes from the introduction period ( it apears the feeding frenzy has already begun), on through its mass production/ distribution period. Time will tell. All I know is that my $800 now days, buys a heck of a lot more radio for the buck than what its equivalent did back in the mid 60's when I was first licensed. Wether or not one would want to make an investment in 'new' gear in this day and age of possible BPL interferance is another matter. Enjoy it while we can. 73.....Mark/W8VNZ --- In ic7000@..., "Buck \(N4PGW\)" <na4fm-list@t...> wrote: Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the 706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
N4PGW
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$1395.00 is what I remember for the first Icom 706.
I actually paid $1195.00 for a 706MKII in later years.
Then again later $995.00, and $795.00 for a 706MKIIG.
Keith, K4KAL
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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: [ic7000] Re: Price of the IC-7000
Do you remember the pricing of the 706 when it was first announced?
Many who don't would be suprised at its high level, compared to the
sub $800 that it has been available for the pase couple of years. And
of course that was the original 706 without all the improvements and
features of the latest version. Taking into consideration the changes
in the valuation of the dollar/yen down the road, one might expect
similar price changes from the introduction period ( it apears the
feeding frenzy has already begun), on through its mass production/
distribution period. Time will tell. All I know is that my $800 now
days, buys a heck of a lot more radio for the buck than what its
equivalent did back in the mid 60's when I was first licensed. Wether
or not one would want to make an investment in 'new' gear in this day
and age of possible BPL interferance is another matter.
Enjoy it while we can.
73.....Mark/W8VNZ
--- In ic7000@..., "Buck \(N4PGW\)" <na4fm-list@t...>
wrote:
> Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
>
> Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking
about
> it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio
but
> after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is
to the
> 706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
>
> What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic
filtering
> rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the
same
> filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
>
> From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on
the
> market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it
sells for
> about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over
time, and
> with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering
if the
> rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around
here, a
> few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
>
> What do you all think?
>
> Buck
> N4PGW
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