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Fed. Lawmakers & Staffies Freak Over ACA
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edward_berkline
You left out the most important part...
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"In battles over the health care law in 2009-10, Republicans proposed a requirement for lawmakers and aides to join the exchanges, and Democrats accepted it. Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, who proposed an early version of the idea, said he wanted to make sure that "members of Congress and Congressional staff get their employer-based health insurance through the same exchanges as our constituents." It has been a headache for many in Congress ever since." So it was a Republican idea that is causing all the problems! How about those dumb-ass Republicans? They screwed things up again. --- In ibmpensionissues@..., weinerisnospitzer <no_reply@...> wrote:
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pawnedmyrolex
Video of the Day:
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IRS chief Daniel Werfel says he wants to keep his health care plan, not switch to Obamacare Maybe, his testimony today could be career-limiting as acting commissioner of the IRS. --- In ibmpensionissues@..., edward_berkline <no_reply@...> wrote:
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weinerisnospitzer
transcript MSNBC Morning Joe August 2, 2013 6:04 a.m. Eastern MIKA BRZEZINSKI: The White House is stepping in once again when it comes to the way ObamaCare is being implemented. First it was a decision to delay the employer mandate, and now the president has personally intervened to allow the government to continue helping members of Congress and their staff when it comes to paying their premiums. Members of Congress were furious that they would soon be forced to pay thousands of dollars – JOE SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Hold on, hold on. Members of Congress, Harold [Ford, Jr.], were furious that they were going to be held to the same law that they passed, right? HAROLD, FORD, JR.: It's odd. BRZEZINSKI [laughing]: Ah! SCARBOROUGH: It is odd. They got so angry. BRZEZINSKI: There's a lot of odd things going around. SCARBOROUGH: And, by the way, the president goes up to see the Democrats this week. What is the first thing, Mike [Barnicle], they are yelling at him about? MIKE BARNICLE: What about my premiums? SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Exactly. [Mocking members of Congress:] You mean we're going to have to live by the laws that we passed on the American people? BARNICLE [mocking members of Congress]: We're going to have to worry about the same things that our constituents are forced to worry about? Please! SCARBOROUGH: Oh, God. I'm sorry, Mika – BRZEZINSKI: No, actually, they take their vacations when their – BARNICLE: Five weeks. Five weeks. BRZEZINSKI: Usually when things are just, like, happening, they leave. Alright. They [members of Congress] would soon be forced to pay thousands of dollars in additional costs through ObamaCare's insurance marketplaces. Some even warned that lawmakers would leave Washington and their staffers would look for work outside of government service. BARNICLE [laughing]: The horror! SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Hold on a second! BARNICLE: The horror! SCARBOROUGH: So hold on. So Harold, when small business owners are telling the Obama administration: you know, if you do this we're going to lose some of our best employees – and the administration says oh, no no. You all are so crazy. What? What are you talking about? It's happening on Capitol Hill. They said: we're going to lose our best staffers if ObamaCare is implemented up here. FORD, JR.: You would have thought they would have come up with a different set of answers or excuses for why – it's not the exact same argument – SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Oh, it's awful. BARNICLE: The three scariest words on Capitol Hill, among the staff and among the elected officials, are: the private sector. BRZEZINSKI: Yeah. BARNICLE: Forced to go look in the private sector. Woo! SCARBOROUGH: So what's the way – BRZEZINSKI: But now the administration is set to announce a plan that lets the federal government continue paying its share of congressional health plans. In turn, those employees would be ineligible for any tax credits or subsidies. SCARBOROUGH: It's crazy. You know, one of the first things we passed when we got up there. In fact, it was the first thing – you remember [former Connecticut Congressman] Chris Shays? Great guy, great congressman from Connecticut, love Chris. We passed what was called the Shays Act. And it was radical, first day we were up there, and it made Congress live by the same rules that the rest of the country lived by. BARNICLE [joking]: That's terrible. SCARBOROUGH: That didn't last long. So now, seriously, how embarrassing that they passed this law. Again, small business owners, Harold, have been complaining about it – FORD, JR.: This is one of those things that – you know, you and I understand you are going to hear, come next summer and fall as the campaigns get going. SCARBOROUGH: This is the 30-second ad. FORD, JR.: Right, it's one of those things that's easy to explain, easy to convey and it's hard to dispute. There may be some caveats to this – I don't know what they are – but this is an easy one to make a 30-second ad out of. SCARBOROUGH: Listen. The 30-second ad – how you would not like and I would not like [in mocking, ominous narrative voice] – Congressman Scarborough voted for ObamaCare to raise your health premiums. And yet, he had the president exempt him from ObamaCare. Let's exempt Congressman Scarborough from Congress. [Laughing:] Or something like that. This is set up so easily for these Democrats who have been – these Democrats who passed this. Read more: --- In ibmpensionissues@..., pawnedmyrolex <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Sheila Beaudry
They are still getting their insurance through the ACA it is just that they will still get the gov employee?subsidy they are currently getting for healthcare insurance, but since they are getting that, they cannot also get additional ACA subsidy based upon their salaries.? It is like saying IBM can continue their employee subsidy to health insurance.
From: weinerisnospitzer
To: ibmpensionissues@... Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 5:35 PM Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Fed. Lawmakers & Staffies Freak Over ACA ?
transcript MSNBC Morning Joe August 2, 2013 6:04 a.m. Eastern MIKA BRZEZINSKI: The White House is stepping in once again when it comes to the way ObamaCare is being implemented. First it was a decision to delay the employer mandate, and now the president has personally intervened to allow the government to continue helping members of Congress and their staff when it comes to paying their premiums. Members of Congress were furious that they would soon be forced to pay thousands of dollars – JOE SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Hold on, hold on. Members of Congress, Harold [Ford, Jr.], were furious that they were going to be held to the same law that they passed, right? HAROLD, FORD, JR.: It's odd. BRZEZINSKI [laughing]: Ah! SCARBOROUGH: It is odd. They got so angry. BRZEZINSKI: There's a lot of odd things going around. SCARBOROUGH: And, by the way, the president goes up to see the Democrats this week. What is the first thing, Mike [Barnicle], they are yelling at him about? MIKE BARNICLE: What about my premiums? SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Exactly. [Mocking members of Congress:] You mean we're going to have to live by the laws that we passed on the American people? BARNICLE [mocking members of Congress]: We're going to have to worry about the same things that our constituents are forced to worry about? Please! SCARBOROUGH: Oh, God. I'm sorry, Mika – BRZEZINSKI: No, actually, they take their vacations when their – BARNICLE: Five weeks. Five weeks. BRZEZINSKI: Usually when things are just, like, happening, they leave. Alright. They [members of Congress] would soon be forced to pay thousands of dollars in additional costs through ObamaCare's insurance marketplaces. Some even warned that lawmakers would leave Washington and their staffers would look for work outside of government service. BARNICLE [laughing]: The horror! SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Hold on a second! BARNICLE: The horror! SCARBOROUGH: So hold on. So Harold, when small business owners are telling the Obama administration: you know, if you do this we're going to lose some of our best employees – and the administration says oh, no no. You all are so crazy. What? What are you talking about? It's happening on Capitol Hill. They said: we're going to lose our best staffers if ObamaCare is implemented up here. FORD, JR.: You would have thought they would have come up with a different set of answers or excuses for why – it's not the exact same argument – SCARBOROUGH [laughing]: Oh, it's awful. BARNICLE: The three scariest words on Capitol Hill, among the staff and among the elected officials, are: the private sector. BRZEZINSKI: Yeah. BARNICLE: Forced to go look in the private sector. Woo! SCARBOROUGH: So what's the way – BRZEZINSKI: But now the administration is set to announce a plan that lets the federal government continue paying its share of congressional health plans. In turn, those employees would be ineligible for any tax credits or subsidies. SCARBOROUGH: It's crazy. You know, one of the first things we passed when we got up there. In fact, it was the first thing – you remember [former Connecticut Congressman] Chris Shays? Great guy, great congressman from Connecticut, love Chris. We passed what was called the Shays Act. And it was radical, first day we were up there, and it made Congress live by the same rules that the rest of the country lived by. BARNICLE [joking]: That's terrible. SCARBOROUGH: That didn't last long. So now, seriously, how embarrassing that they passed this law. Again, small business owners, Harold, have been complaining about it – FORD, JR.: This is one of those things that – you know, you and I understand you are going to hear, come next summer and fall as the campaigns get going. SCARBOROUGH: This is the 30-second ad. FORD, JR.: Right, it's one of those things that's easy to explain, easy to convey and it's hard to dispute. There may be some caveats to this – I don't know what they are – but this is an easy one to make a 30-second ad out of. SCARBOROUGH: Listen. The 30-second ad – how you would not like and I would not like [in mocking, ominous narrative voice] – Congressman Scarborough voted for ObamaCare to raise your health premiums. And yet, he had the president exempt him from ObamaCare. Let's exempt Congressman Scarborough from Congress. [Laughing:] Or something like that. This is set up so easily for these Democrats who have been – these Democrats who passed this. Read more: --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, pawnedmyrolex wrote: > > Video of the Day: > > IRS chief Daniel Werfel says he wants to keep his health care plan, not switch to Obamacare > > > > Maybe, his testimony today could be career-limiting as acting commissioner of the IRS. > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, edward_berkline wrote: > > > > You left out the most important part... > > > > "In battles over the health care law in 2009-10, Republicans proposed a requirement for lawmakers and aides to join the exchanges, and Democrats accepted it. > > > > Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, who proposed an early version of the idea, said he wanted to make sure that "members of Congress and Congressional staff get their employer-based health insurance through the same exchanges as our constituents." > > > > It has been a headache for many in Congress ever since." > > > > So it was a Republican idea that is causing all the problems! > > How about those dumb-ass Republicans? They screwed things up again. > > > |
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Here's a more in depth view of what this is all about:
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Congress Pulls a Fast One; Obamacare Premiums Won't Apply to Them s it any wonder that the American people are fed up with politics? Barack Obama's approval numbers are terrible, but American's feelings toward Congress are even worse. So, it shouldn't be hard to believe that members of Congress (with the help of Obama) are hard at work to make sure that sky-high Obamacare premiums will NOT apply to them. As reported in the Wall Street Journal, the annual salary of members of Congress and their higher paid aides put them in a category where they won't qualify for Obamacare subsidies. Thus, the premiums and potential out of pocket expenses for them are about to go up, up, and up. So what are they going to do about it? You guessed it... --- In ibmpensionissues@..., Sheila Beaudry <sbbeaudry@...> wrote:
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icarlosdanger
all 13 pages of it, in case you posted about it before you read the proposed rule... (snicker)
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--- In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@..." <zimowski@...> wrote:
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The text of the proposed rule does not explain any of the motivation behind the proposed rule.
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--- In ibmpensionissues@..., icarlosdanger <no_reply@...> wrote:
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icarlosdanger
Duh--
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was the motivator! quote: "Last week, when President Barack Obama came to the Hill to meet with Senate Democrats, he informed them that he would personally get involved to sort out the confusion, and the White House said that OPM would issue guidelines this week." --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@..." <zimowski@...> wrote:
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The point I was trying to make is that the text of the proposed rule doesn't tell the real story. Interesting to read, especially the part that makes it clear that Congress has written the rule so that it is conveniently vague as to who exactly it applies to and, of course, there is no provision for any kind of oversight.
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ACA as originally written and passed raised the health care costs of most members of congress and their staff. Does anyone still believe that the Pelosi and Reid didn't force a vote on this legislation before most even had a chance to read it? BTW, neither of your links are valid. --- In ibmpensionissues@..., icarlosdanger <no_reply@...> wrote:
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icarlosdanger
Mel,
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Hunch: Rules don't have to say "why" they say "what". Not sure what you are smoking. (weed leftover from Berkeley?) Just kidding. Both links work for me. --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@..." <zimowski@...> wrote:
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buckwildbeemer
Post-vacation blues: Now, Barry's hometown newspaper does not share the love:
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,0,5666959.story (More reasons to delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law) --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@..." <zimowski@...> wrote:
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