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Since you guys use printers a lot, wanted to ask you your opinion on the products out
there like the printer cleaner sheets sold at Staples where I guess you
insert a sheet of paper in and its I guess treated with something that
cleans the feed rollers, etc.

Sometimes on the lower end ink jet products, the access to the pickup roller
is really tough to get to and thought this may be something to try.

When I worked on VCR's, they had head cleaning tapes where you soaked the
material with alcohol and it played the material along the heads
to clean them. Seems like these papers are the same kind of idea, but I
guess if you soaked them with alcohol they could come apart in the
mechanisms and cause more problems than they are worth.

I service printers here as part of my duties at the store, and today there was a Cannon Pixma that needed the pickup rollers cleaned, and they were not accessable unless most of the product was torn down.

Turns out there was a mechanical problem and the pickup roller wasnt to bad off, but if I were to do my standard service I would clean it, I just dont like loose ends like that when I repair something, and its clear these "communist" designs are intentionally made to really annoy anyone trying to open them up with the way the plastic pieces interlock in a complicated way with different ways to disassemble everything.

Lots of videos of these on youtube , where the way they are repaired is dropping them out a 4 story window...heh.

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On 08/08/18 06:41, Steven Hearns wrote:

Since you guys use printers a lot, wanted to ask you your opinion on
the products out there like the printer cleaner sheets sold at
Staples where I guess you insert a sheet of paper in and its I guess
treated with something that cleans the feed rollers, etc.
Sometimes on the lower end ink jet products, the access to the
pickup roller is really tough to get to and thought this may be
something to try.

Nifti was used by TV service techs i know, good for cleaning off cigarette crap too.

I've used it to make rubber a bit stickier.

Nifti Multi-Purpose Cleaner

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The big gun for cleaning off crap and making rubber/plastic stickier is Citroclean. <>

Some plastics are damaged by softening, and clear plastics made opaque etc. Right sort of stuff to attack an old rubber roller.


There's also spray adhesive. The cheap stuff may lose it's grip, but it can remain sticky. Apply with a brush.

For inkjet printers:

• 5 parts distilled or filtered water
• 4 parts 50% or 70% isopropyl alcohol - clear
• 1 part clear nonsudsing household ammonia - clear

NO drinking water, NO purified water. "Purified" just means anything alive has been killed, still has all the metals and minerals.

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On 08/08/18 21:52, Steven Greenfield AE7HD via Groups.Io wrote:

For inkjet printers:

* 5 parts distilled or filtered water
* 4 parts 50% or 70% isopropyl alcohol - clear
* 1 part clear nonsudsing household ammonia - clear
NO drinking water, NO purified water. "Purified" just means anything alive has been killed, still has all the metals and minerals.

I found Nifti is really good epson ink cleaner too.
I've only used it on the dye inks.
I used to use a Stylus 400, but now using an Artisan 1430.

Pigment inks might be oil based.

On 08/08/18 21:52, Steven Greenfield AE7HD via Groups.Io wrote:

For inkjet printers:

* 5 parts distilled or filtered water
* 4 parts 50% or 70% isopropyl alcohol - clear
* 1 part clear nonsudsing household ammonia - clear
NO drinking water, NO purified water. "Purified" just means anything alive has been killed, still has all the metals and minerals.

I found Nifti is really good epson ink cleaner too.
I've only used it on the dye inks.
I used to use a Stylus 400, but now using an Artisan 1430.

Pigment inks might be oil based.

Spraying shiny photographic paper with cheap adhesive spray and letting it dry will give a sticky surface. I'll try it one day when i need to give the rollers some extra grip.

Steve,

I worked in the TV industry and have cleaned devices from 16mm projectors to professional VTRs to the last of the consumer VTRs to computer disk drives (magnetic, CD, DVD, etc.). For hand cleaning they make paper-like wipes that stand up very well to every solvent that I ever used (freon, alcohol, carbon tet, water based solutions, etc.). I never had a a single problem with these wipes coming apart. In fact, when I used common paper towels, even the cheap ones the janitorial department used, they also stood up well to the solvents but, of course, I never ran them through a printer.

I have used the cleaning tapes for audio recorders and the cleaning disks for the various disk drives. They are made from a high grade material that not only works well but it also lasts for as long as I am willing to keep using it. Generally they are thrown away from an accumulation of dirt, not from fragmentation. They are not made from the wood fibers that standard paper is: they are made from fibers that are much stronger and longer and, unlike normal paper, they are bonded together into a sheet by a water and solvent resistant adhesive. I have not used the printer cleaning sheets, but I think you would be completely safe using them. You should not use standard paper with any kind of solvent as that would surely be a disaster. But the commercial cleaning sheets should be OK if used per the manufacturer's instructions. DO READ those instructions.

On my personal, ink jet printer I have a piece of heavy paper that has cutouts for holding the corners of my checks when I print them. It has the added benefit of actually cleaning out much of the ink buildup on the printers guides and rollers. This is evident by the accumulation of ink on the leading edge and at the leading corners. But I only use it completely dry. I doubt that this is what you would want to use for a professional cleaning, but it is great for home use.

Great answers by Adam Steve and Paul, thanks much.

The Pixma I thought I fixed yesterday, they say its picking up multiple sheets at a time, and when they go to a different type of paper, it works fine.

The humidity's been unusually high around this area for weeks now, and it just rained again.

I guess moistened paper may stick together easier than dry, they claimed the humidity may be causing it. I think I heard of
that before somewhere...I guess it makes sense.

I know I just went to eat a crispy granola bar I had wrapped in a paper towel from yesterday and its pretty soggy.

Another project I have going on for many weeks now , the glue is drying super super super slooooowwww.
Seems like the moisture is being forced into everything and just when it starts to dry, it rains again.


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No desktop printer uses oil or solvent based inks. Pigmented inks in desktop inkjets are just water based (with additives).

Never heard of Nifti before, reading about it, it seems to be Australia's version of 409. I'd avoid sudsing agents.

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The issue isn't how well the paper towels stand up to the solvents alcohol, water, and ammonia.

The issue is that most paper towels, I've found, are not bonded together that well. So little threads come off. It only takes a tiny bit of detritus laying across the nozzle opening to wick ink out. Or laid across the seal at the park station.

Sadly, the local Dollar Store started carrying a different, awful kind of window wipe. Same package, different contents. Just about the time I was going to buy a case.

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On 10/08/18 07:18, Steven Greenfield AE7HD via Groups.Io wrote:

No desktop printer uses oil or solvent based inks. Pigmented inks in desktop inkjets are just water based (with additives).

Got confused by remembering "oil paint" here:

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Never heard of Nifti before, reading about it, it seems to be Australia's version of 409. I'd avoid sudsing agents.

The issue isn't how well the paper towels stand up to the solvents alcohol, water, and ammonia.The issue is that most paper towels, I've found, are not bonded together that well. So little threads come off. It only takes a tiny bit of detritus laying across the nozzle opening to wick ink out. Or laid across the seal at the park station.Sadly, the local Dollar Store started carrying a different, awful kind of window wipe. Same package, different contents. Just about the time I was going to buy a case

Steven Greenfield AE7HD

Yes, that is a well known problem. And it is why companies like Kimberly-Clark make and sell products like KimWipes and other lint free wipes. The companies I worked for purchased them by the case and I probably used a million of them over the years.

On top of that, I have cleaned devices from precision optics, to professional VTRs, to film cameras and projectors as well as many, many other professional electronic and mechanical devices. I can tell you that except for optics, lint is a very overstated problem. Most lint will be wiped or blown off a mechanical part in the first millisecond of operation. Ink nozzles? Sure they may need a bit more care, but just how much ink will wick out from one piece of lint of fiber. Once that piece of lint or fiber is covered with it, there is no where else for it to go. And the first time that nozzle is used, is fired, away goes that lint or fiber and the problem is no more. I would have little concern with cleaning any part of a printer with a common kitchen paper towel. Every company that I have worked for has tried their hardest to purchase the cheapest printer paper that they can get away with. Do you think the bargain ink jet paper is lint and fiber free? Dream on. After the first sheet of paper is run through that printer, any lint or fibers from even the world's worst paper towel will be long gone. They will be clinging to the first 1/4 inch of that page that went through the printer. And they will probably be replaced ten fold with new lint or fibers from that paper itself.

In short, your issue is a non-issue. As I said earlier, go ahead and get those printer cleaning sheets. READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AND FOLLOW THEM. Clean your printer with them. And for pity sake, STOP WORRYING ABOUT NOTHING.



Other companies offer similar products.

The "problem" paper may work a lot better if it's "fanned" a bit before putting it in the printer tray. That's done by holding one end of a tray-load of paper and letting the other end droop, thus making all sheets shift a bit with respect to the next sheet. Do this from both ends and both sides before putting the paper in the tray and perfomance will probably improve.

Then again, using non-problem paper is the real solution.

Jim H



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