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I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months
learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without
those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote:
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Show quoted text
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly
mailing:
"Suggestions,
recommendations and such, to and from professionals and
companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own
business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to
post your site in the Links area. Company representatives
are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information
as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend
to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people
here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense
about replying or people might think you are flogging your
business.
Spam-
Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve.
Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as
spam and may result in your removal from the list and
banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator
of."
I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of
this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title
the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can
decide whether we want to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD
software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on
the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the
price is certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD
package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to
do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some
way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or
export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using
it on my next project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a
new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or
other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If
someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad,
giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread
"alive" and visible.
[quote]
It's advertising of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with
repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a
thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and
never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.
|
I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I
have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting
used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is that it
has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a "link" to
another program.? Too much bother.
No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present, and
not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a
subscription license, which forces me to keep paying indefinitely
for something I'd already have paid for once (and only).
Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity of
the layout.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
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Show quoted text
I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months
learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without
those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok
wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly
mailing:
"Suggestions,
recommendations and such, to and from professionals and
companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own
business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free
to post your site in the Links area. Company
representatives are encouraged to respond to legit
requests for information as long as you identify your
connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected
customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll
be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying
or people might think you are flogging your business.
Spam-
Spammers will be treated with all the respect they
deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be
treated as spam and may result in your removal from the
list and banning from every other list I am listowner or
moderator of."
I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of
this thread. If you want to advertise something, please
title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of
us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD
software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely
on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and
the price is certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB
CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't
tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly
better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible,
can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would
consider using it on my next project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a
new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad"
(or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the
comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a
reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus
keeping the thread "alive" and visible.
[quote] It's advertising
of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with
repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a
thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years
and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.
|
My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions of
picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net"
connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto
the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2
connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and
concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was
waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper
traces and then add text in red on another layer.
Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB
I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local
pub.
On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White
wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I
have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting
used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is that
it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a "link" to
another program.? Too much bother.
No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present, and
not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a
subscription license, which forces me to keep paying
indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and
only).
Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity
of the layout.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months
learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some
glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be
without those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok
wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly
mailing:
"Suggestions,
recommendations and such, to and from professionals and
companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own
business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free
to post your site in the Links area. Company
representatives are encouraged to respond to legit
requests for information as long as you identify your
connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected
customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll
be found out quickly. Just use common sense about
replying or people might think you are flogging your
business.
Spam-
Spammers will be treated with all the respect they
deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will
be treated as spam and may result in your removal from
the list and banning from every other list I am
listowner or moderator of."
I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title
of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please
title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each
of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD
software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based
solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems
capable, and the price is certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB
CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't
tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly
better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible,
can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I
would consider using it on my next project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create
a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with
KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the
comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a
reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and
thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.
[quote] It's
advertising of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with
repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a
thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years
and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.
|
Hi Rob,
I'd be interested in what you think of PCBCAD51 after you take a
look at it.
Steve
On 10/23/2019 8:57 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions
of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net"
connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto
the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2
connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and
concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was
waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper
traces and then add text in red on another layer.
Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB
I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local
pub.
On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White
wrote:
I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I
have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting
used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is
that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a
"link" to another program.? Too much bother.
No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present,
and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a
subscription license, which forces me to keep paying
indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and
only).
Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity
of the layout.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months
learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some
glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be
without those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok
wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's
monthly mailing:
"Suggestions,
recommendations and such, to and from professionals
and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your
own business, please limit ads to once a month and
feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company
representatives are encouraged to respond to legit
requests for information as long as you identify your
connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected
customer, there are enough savvy people here that
you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense
about replying or people might think you are flogging
your business.
Spam-
Spammers will be treated with all the respect they
deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will
be treated as spam and may result in your removal from
the list and banning from every other list I am
listowner or moderator of."
I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading
title of this thread. If you want to advertise
something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of
product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want
to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB
CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based
solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems
capable, and the price is certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source KiCad
PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but
haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is
significantly better in some way (easier to learn or
use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file
formats...) then I would consider using it on my next
project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to
create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison
with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and
show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they
might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression
about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and
visible.
[quote] It's
advertising of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with
repetitive information and posts that don't add value to
a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous
?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10
years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous
accusations.
|
What that *sounds* like is that you did not connect to the part
properly.?
Eagle has a problem with parts that don't have schematic pins on
a 0.1 inch grid.? Been there, done that.? Remade the part.
Assuming that these are standard library parts, then you may have
overlapped the wire and the pin connection.?
An easy way to connect things is to grab the part and move it.?
The connected traces should follow.? If they aren't connected,
then the traces won't move with the part.? Drop the part back
where the pin meets the trace (doesn't matter if the rest are not
where they need to be).? Then move the part to where it should be,
or move it around, and you'll find that the pins are now connected
to the traces.
At small magnifications, it's easy to have a wire overlap a pin,
but the schematic rule checker ought to find that for you.? You
can also move the end of the trace where it should be (won't
connect automatically), then move the part and drop it back.?
Things ought to connect at that point.
I've been using EAGLE for a while.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 8:57 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions
of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net"
connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto
the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2
connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and
concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was
waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper
traces and then add text in red on another layer.
Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB
I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local
pub.
On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White
wrote:
I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I
have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting
used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is
that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a
"link" to another program.? Too much bother.
No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present,
and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a
subscription license, which forces me to keep paying
indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and
only).
Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity
of the layout.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months
learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some
glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be
without those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok
wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's
monthly mailing:
"Suggestions,
recommendations and such, to and from professionals
and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your
own business, please limit ads to once a month and
feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company
representatives are encouraged to respond to legit
requests for information as long as you identify your
connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected
customer, there are enough savvy people here that
you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense
about replying or people might think you are flogging
your business.
Spam-
Spammers will be treated with all the respect they
deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will
be treated as spam and may result in your removal from
the list and banning from every other list I am
listowner or moderator of."
I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading
title of this thread. If you want to advertise
something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of
product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want
to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB
CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based
solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems
capable, and the price is certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source KiCad
PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but
haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is
significantly better in some way (easier to learn or
use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file
formats...) then I would consider using it on my next
project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to
create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison
with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and
show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they
might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression
about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and
visible.
[quote] It's
advertising of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with
repetitive information and posts that don't add value to
a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous
?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10
years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous
accusations.
|
yea.....??? " Things ought to connect at that point."
and thats my dilemma.
I asked on forums and got tons of advice but still coul dnot get
the desired result with EAGLE so
I declared defeat and walked away.
On 10/23/2019 10:03 PM, Harvey White
wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
What that *sounds* like is that you did not connect to the part
properly.?
Eagle has a problem with parts that don't have schematic pins
on a 0.1 inch grid.? Been there, done that.? Remade the part.
Assuming that these are standard library parts, then you may
have overlapped the wire and the pin connection.?
An easy way to connect things is to grab the part and move it.?
The connected traces should follow.? If they aren't connected,
then the traces won't move with the part.? Drop the part back
where the pin meets the trace (doesn't matter if the rest are
not where they need to be).? Then move the part to where it
should be, or move it around, and you'll find that the pins are
now connected to the traces.
At small magnifications, it's easy to have a wire overlap a
pin, but the schematic rule checker ought to find that for you.?
You can also move the end of the trace where it should be (won't
connect automatically), then move the part and drop it back.?
Things ought to connect at that point.
I've been using EAGLE for a while.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 8:57 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions
of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net"
connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts
onto the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or
2 connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad
and concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was
waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw
copper traces and then add text in red on another layer.
Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB
I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my
local pub.
On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey
White wrote:
I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which
I have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of
getting used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with
Kicad is that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does
have a "link" to another program.? Too much bother.
No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present,
and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with
a subscription license, which forces me to keep paying
indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once
(and only).
Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the
complexity of the layout.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months
learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some
glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be
without those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok
wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's
monthly mailing:
"Suggestions,
recommendations and such, to and from professionals
and companies are welcome. If you are posting for
your own business, please limit ads to once a month
and feel free to post your site in the Links area.
Company representatives are encouraged to respond to
legit requests for information as long as you
identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an
unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people
here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use
common sense about replying or people might think
you are flogging your business.
Spam-
Spammers will be treated with all the respect they
deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc.
will be treated as spam and may result in your
removal from the list and banning from every other
list I am listowner or moderator of."
I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading
title of this thread. If you want to advertise
something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of
product>". Then each of us can decide whether we
want to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB
CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51.
Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it
seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source KiCad
PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but
haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is
significantly better in some way (easier to learn or
use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file
formats...) then I would consider using it on my next
project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to
create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison
with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and
show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they
might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression
about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and
visible.
[quote] It's
advertising of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads
with repetitive information and posts that don't add
value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it.
Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10
years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous
accusations.
|
If these were parts that you made, I can see a number of
possibilities.? If they were not, then the main thing may be that
the parts were not positioned on the grid properly.? EAGLE will
not connect to a pin if the pin is not on a snap-to grid.? Most
people never touch (and should never touch) the schematic grid,
and should leave it at 0.1 inches.?
Heaven help you with a part if it had been created with a 2.0 mm
grid.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 11:35 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
yea.....??? " Things ought to connect at that point."
and thats my dilemma.
I asked on forums and got tons of advice but still coul dnot
get the desired result with EAGLE so
I declared defeat and walked away.
On 10/23/2019 10:03 PM, Harvey White
wrote:
What that *sounds* like is that you did not connect to the
part properly.?
Eagle has a problem with parts that don't have schematic pins
on a 0.1 inch grid.? Been there, done that.? Remade the part.
Assuming that these are standard library parts, then you may
have overlapped the wire and the pin connection.?
An easy way to connect things is to grab the part and move
it.? The connected traces should follow.? If they aren't
connected, then the traces won't move with the part.? Drop the
part back where the pin meets the trace (doesn't matter if the
rest are not where they need to be).? Then move the part to
where it should be, or move it around, and you'll find that
the pins are now connected to the traces.
At small magnifications, it's easy to have a wire overlap a
pin, but the schematic rule checker ought to find that for
you.? You can also move the end of the trace where it should
be (won't connect automatically), then move the part and drop
it back.? Things ought to connect at that point.
I've been using EAGLE for a while.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 8:57 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the
motions of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing
the "net" connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts
onto the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1
or 2 connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad
and concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was
waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw
copper traces and then add text in red on another layer.
Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB
I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my
local pub.
On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey
White wrote:
I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for
which I have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a
bit of getting used to, and has a quirk or two.? My
problem with Kicad is that it has no autorouter (and yes,
I know it does have a "link" to another program.? Too much
bother.
No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to
present, and not likely to have any, I do not have any
sympathy with a subscription license, which forces me to
keep paying indefinitely for something I'd already have
paid for once (and only).
Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the
complexity of the layout.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3
months learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by
some glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be
without those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan
Kok wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it
down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's
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I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading
title of this thread. If you want to advertise
something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of
product>". Then each of us can decide whether we
want to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for
PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about
PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't
used it) it seems capable, and the price is
certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source
KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one
schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If
PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier
to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export
more PCB file formats...) then I would consider
using it on my next project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to
create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 -
comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD
packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries
PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving
their impression about it, and thus keeping the
thread "alive" and visible.
[quote] It's
advertising of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads
with repetitive information and posts that don't add
value to a thread..
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I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it.
Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10
years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous
accusations.
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I tried the demo out yesterday on a fast win10 x64 machine. It was a bit slow in responsiveness. Selecting and moving items was not intuitive, but I admit I didn't read the manual either. Drawing traces was fast. Zooming was difficult?as it was much slower than the mouse-wheel rate, so I? often?overshot/undershot the view area I wanted. I didn't reboot the pc after installation, so I don't know it that was a factor.? There was no uninstaller found in add/remove programs, so deleting the folder left the xnd framework and other artifacts.
I think it will be really good with a few iterations of dev. -Lee
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:06 PM Steve < steve65@...> wrote:
Hi Rob,
I'd be interested in what you think of PCBCAD51 after you take a
look at it.
Steve
On 10/23/2019 8:57 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions
of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net"
connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto
the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2
connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and
concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was
waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper
traces and then add text in red on another layer.
Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB
I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local
pub.
On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White
wrote:
I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I
have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting
used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is
that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a
"link" to another program.? Too much bother.
No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present,
and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a
subscription license, which forces me to keep paying
indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and
only).
Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity
of the layout.
Harvey
On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via
Groups.Io wrote:
I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months
learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some
glitches.
If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be
without those glitches then I would buy it.
On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok
wrote:
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.
Here is the policy about ads from this group's
monthly mailing:
"Suggestions,
recommendations and such, to and from professionals
and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your
own business, please limit ads to once a month and
feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company
representatives are encouraged to respond to legit
requests for information as long as you identify your
connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected
customer, there are enough savvy people here that
you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense
about replying or people might think you are flogging
your business.
Spam-
Spammers will be treated with all the respect they
deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will
be treated as spam and may result in your removal from
the list and banning from every other list I am
listowner or moderator of."
I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading
title of this thread. If you want to advertise
something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of
product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want
to look at the ad.
Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB
CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based
solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems
capable, and the price is certainly affordable.
I've already installed the free, open source KiCad
PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but
haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is
significantly better in some way (easier to learn or
use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file
formats...) then I would consider using it on my next
project.
So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to
create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison
with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and
show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they
might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression
about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and
visible.
[quote] It's
advertising of his CAD software.
The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with
repetitive information and posts that don't add value to
a thread..
[/Quote]
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I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous
?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10
years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous
accusations.
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The speed of drawing is down to the speed of PC and Windows.
The CAD software doesn't draw anything it is all Windows functions.
?
XNA and direct?X frameworks are part of Windows and nothing to do with the CAD software.?
You would need to remove them in Windows control panel.
Removing PCBCAD51 is as easy as deleting PCBCAD51 directory.
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OK folks......? this is what I think of PCBCAD51
noting I am NOT an electrical engineer that spent a lifetime in CAD programs.
I am a hobby tinkerer.... and most definitely an avid PCB homebrewer.
#1? The documentation walked me through drawing a schematic with existing library parts
then created a ratsnest then autorouted and then made gerber and drill files
?? ========>>>>>>?? IN LESS THAN ONE HOUR OF TIME in front of the computer <<<<<<<<<<=======
I just can not impress upon everyone here enough that this definitely IS the CAD for home brewing PCBs.
NOTHING I ever used before this PCBCAD51 got me anywhere close the the finish line..GERBER files...? after just an hour of play time.
#2 GERBER files are for wussies. Real PCBs are home brewed on your kitchen table with muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide after doing toner transfer heat pressings.
One real issue I have with home brewing PCBs is that I need to trace the toner traces with ink because toner is porous and all the CADs I used made me jump through hoops
to get fatter traces ...big enough ...wide enough... for me to actually trace with a sharpie....
BUT?? this PCBCAD51 quickly provided me the solution by allowing me to bump the setting from 20 to 80 in the PCB design screen and fat traces appeared.
I'm not selling anything here.... ?? I am just giving my opinion that this software cost less than a beer in my local pub .....and yet.... I got results faster then the zoo I went through
tripping over EAGLE and KiCad never getting to learn anything that I could reliably use again. ???? ?
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What OS are you using. Maybe Win7 will have a better feel for me to try it again. I like it originally as it reminded
me of Circad from Holophase. Circad is really nice, but stupidly overpriced.
Otherwise, Kicad is hard to beat.
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Circad was the 3rd PCB CAD I played with.
It gave me my home brew fat traces desired result
BUT
its price tag is waaaaaaaay out of my league to buy a current
version of it.
As far as OS goes....??
I have a new Win 10?? HP model? 15bs212wm
which is a full size laptop with a DVD player and Celeron N4000
CPU 1.1 gHz ... 4 GB RAM
with 464GB disk space.
This was the cheapest computer I could walk out of Walmart with
that was not a CHROMEBOOK.
and
Which is definitely the slowest brand new PC you can buy.
So..........
I am not about to compare apples to oranges with the hardware
considering adding gigabytes of RAM speeds up anything you have
and
you can buy refurbed DELL i5? optiplex computers for $150 now
that dwarf Celeron performance....
so
forgetting about any kind of SPEED discussion here
MY INTEREST IS IN MAKING IT WORK without spending months tripping
over "gotchas"
and
this PCBCAD51 gave me desired results in a little less than an
hour while following the "built in"? instructions.
On 10/29/2019 12:20 AM, Lee Studley
wrote:
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What OS are you
using. Maybe Win7 will have a better feel for me to try it again.
I like it originally as it reminded
me of Circad from Holophase. Circad is really nice, but stupidly
overpriced.
Otherwise, Kicad is hard to beat.
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I am a little late to the party but have a look at this as it is the easiest PCB software I have ever used. Not free but very inexpensive:
I've made hundreds of layouts both hobby and professional with it. In a few hours with it you can make PCB layouts and components.
There is a free demo that does everything but save. Making 274-X gerbers and drill files are a breeze. You can also do toner transfer and CNC milled boards.
If it looks like something you would use join my SprintLayout group on groups.io. Definitely worth your time.
Sam
W3OHM
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Sam Reaves