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who said use gEDA

 

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I installed gEDA on LINUX MINT

and ran it and got a schematic work bench.

What documentation is there for stone cold beginners with this ?

I'm getting nothing from help button links.
 

Rob,

Try KiCAD. Plenty of docs and community to help.

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On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 7:38 PM Rob via Groups.Io
<roomberg@...> wrote:

I installed gEDA on LINUX MINT

and ran it and got a schematic work bench.

What documentation is there for stone cold beginners with this ?

I'm getting nothing from help button links.
 

It oddn't occur to you to use Gooogle for this ?


Here, first link:

On 21. 02. 19 03:38, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I installed gEDA on LINUX MINT

and ran it and got a schematic work bench.

What documentation is there for stone cold beginners with this ?

I'm getting nothing from help button links.
 

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Thank you for pointing at


It pretty much confirms that gEDA gchem PCB ? ??

have nothing more to offer that EAGLE and KiCad already can do for me.

They all demand a component library,? a schematic GUI, then conversion into PCB.

WHICH COMPLETELY DEFEATS my? goals of? simplicity ..... ? GIMP drawing a PCB

and a HOLES layer image and then generating a FAB house ready GERBER and DRILL file.

gschem -> gsch2pcb -> PCB

This is a tutorial on the process of using gsch2pcb as an interface between gschem and PCB. It assumes the gEDA, PCB and gsch2pcb packages are already installed and ready to use. Starting with gEDA 20030901, gsch2pcb is packaged with gEDA and doesn't need to be separately installed. This tutorial is functional and intended to generate results as quickly as possible. It is not a complete reference on gschem or PCB, but it does show with a simple example design all the steps one might need to take.

The goal is to use gsch2pcb as the bridge between gschem and PCB so that the schematics can always be in sync with the PCB layout because all element additions or deletions in the layout will automatically be driven by changes in the schematics. Back annotation from PCB to gschem is currently not possible.

?With gschem, you add symbols representing electronic components to a schematic. A symbol is a group of pins, attributes, and lines showing an iconic representation of an electronic component. Pins in symbols are connected to other pins by drawing a net connection between them. Attributes are just named tags attached to symbols to convey some bit of information. For using the schematic with PCB, there are three of these attributes which are relevant and must be specified. Each added symbol should have a footprint, value, and refdes attribute.

The schematic footprint attribute value of a symbol is the name of the PCB element to be placed on the layout for that instance of the symbol. A PCB element is a group of pins, pads, and silk layer outlines physically corresponding to electronic components. It is probably a source of confusion for newcomers to PCB that elements are of two different types. There are the original m4 macro generated PCB elements and since PCB version 1.7 there are also the newlib style file elements. A file element is a single fixed element in a single file. However, many m4 macro element definitions may exist in a single m4 element file. The macros can be given arguments to provide programmable elements of variable number of pins or spacings. Using these two types will be covered in this tutorial and I will be referring to these distinct element types as m4 elements and file elements. When you run PCB, the gschem footprint attribute value will appear as the displayed element name when you select Description from the Screen→Displayed Element Name menu because gsch2pcb uses this field to keep track of which footprint corresponds to a particular PCB element.


On 02/21/2019 12:48 AM, brane212 wrote:

It oddn't occur to you to use Gooogle for this ?


Here, first link:









On 21. 02. 19 03:38, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I installed gEDA on LINUX MINT

and ran it and got a schematic work bench.

What documentation is there for stone cold beginners with this ?

I'm getting nothing from help button links.










 

I don't need another pissing contest, especially wihth someone using GIMP for PCB.


I don't question oyour motives or sanity, if it works for you, great, but I suspect it it a _very_ niche route.

I usee it for quite nice and dense designs ( QFP100 etc parts), did some 2 and 4 layer boards etc.

I need DRC.

All the warts of gEDA etc come with its price.

Same goes for the manual. You can't expect that you just install such package and everyhing be checked and proiofed,
just waiting for you to use it.

Some pages are outdfated etc. But all in all, no big unsurmountable obstacles.

Branko

On 21. 02. 19 06:32, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

Thank you for pointing at



It pretty much confirms that gEDA gchem PCB

have nothing more to offer that EAGLE and KiCad already can do for me.

They all demand a component library,? a schematic GUI, then conversion into PCB.

WHICH COMPLETELY DEFEATS my? goals of simplicity ..... ? GIMP drawing a PCB

and a HOLES layer image and then generating a FAB house ready GERBER and DRILL file.



gschem -> gsch2pcb -> PCB

This is a tutorial on the process of using gsch2pcb as an interface between gschem and PCB. It assumes the gEDA, PCB and gsch2pcb packages are already installed and ready to use. Starting with gEDA 20030901, gsch2pcb is packaged with gEDA and doesn't need to be separately installed. This tutorial is functional and intended to generate results as quickly as possible. It is not a complete reference on gschem or PCB, but it does show with a simple example design all the steps one might need to take.

The goal is to use gsch2pcb as the bridge between gschem and PCB so that the schematics can always be in sync with the PCB layout because all element additions or deletions in the layout will automatically be driven by changes in the schematics. Back annotation from PCB to gschem is currently not possible.

?With gschem, you add symbols representing electronic components to a schematic. A symbol is a group of pins, attributes, and lines showing an iconic representation of an electronic component. Pins in symbols are connected to other pins by drawing a net connection between them. Attributes are just named tags attached to symbols to convey some bit of information. For using the schematic with PCB, there are three of these attributes which are relevant and must be specified. Each added symbol should have a footprint, value, and refdes attribute.

The schematic footprint attribute value of a symbol is the name of the PCB element to be placed on the layout for that instance of the symbol. A PCB element is a group of pins, pads, and silk layer outlines physically corresponding to electronic components. It is probably a source of confusion for newcomers to PCB that elements are of two different types. There are the original m4 macro generated PCB elements and since PCB version 1.7 there are also the newlib style file elements. A file element is a single fixed element in a single file. However, many m4 macro element definitions may exist in a single m4 element file. The macros can be given arguments to provide programmable elements of variable number of pins or spacings. Using these two types will be covered in this tutorial and I will be referring to these distinct element types as m4 elements and file elements. When you run PCB, the gschem footprint attribute value will appear as the displayed element name when you select Description from the Screen→Displayed Element Name menu because gsch2pcb uses this field to keep track of which footprint corresponds to a particular PCB element.


On 02/21/2019 12:48 AM, brane212 wrote:
It oddn't occur to you to use Gooogle for this ?


Here, first link:









On 21. 02. 19 03:38, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I installed gEDA on LINUX MINT

and ran it and got a schematic work bench.

What documentation is there for stone cold beginners with this ?

I'm getting nothing from help button links.
 

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This is not a competition.....? the professional level of these tools.... EAGLE ,KiCad, gEDA......

has its real world industry standards for circuit and PCB design.

I was using GIMP because it was a simple solution for me and it did work quite well for many hobby circuits.....

long before I ever even heard of GERBER files and CAD for PCB design.

I was asking who recommended gEDA a while ago....?? and wanted to know if that person could recommend resources they learned from.
 

OK, in short:

GEDA should be more than sufficient to cover your needs ( judging by your posts), either with fabricated or DIY PCB boards.
I've done them with it both ways. It works - for me.

That being said, it has many niggles and warts, but nothing that is unsurmountable or otherwise deal breaker.

It is fragmented and has many outdated components, but? those are easy to solve- just don't use them.

If you don't like it in the end, fine, that's what aternatives are for, like KiCAD.

Start on give site and read stuff.

Open a simplest design and learn ( ie one two pin diode and resistor) and learn your way around part definition, footprint definition,

their useage, working with libraries etc. Open resulting files in tecxt editor to see how your schematic, pcb and elements look in text.

Then look again at the given page and go through it again. It will be easier to understand.

Then check your installation - what do you need, what is superflueous and above all whether the program is compiled the way you like it.

I, for example, need OpenGL support in PCB, but without that goddamn tool for PCB rotation in space ( "globe" on hte left side of the screen).
OpenGL really speeds up the screen redraw and has just the right layer transparency. I also don't need autorouter stuff as it doesn't work for me etc.

Then check configuration files and tweak them for your needs, especially for YOUR libraries - forget that default stuff.

After that, play around with export options and prointer settings, especially if yopu plan to do DIY PCBs.
You need to take guesswork out of prototyping and have things ready for button-prss execution -
have transparencies printed correctly and with right orientation etc, and to expose and etch them so that you get good PCB
on first attempt.

I chose gEDA over KiCAD because it feels much more like product of hardware guys and less of a pure SW product from someone that never did soldering.

Also, I like C much better than C++ and Qt etc and the source is much more readable to me.

With gEDA I can hope to be able to understand and tweak the source, KiCAD's C++/Qt are too much for my stomach...

BTW, I use mine on Gentoo. If you need to try that and would like my ebuilds ( cookbook recipes that Gentoo uses so that it knows how to compile a package)
element libraries etc, say so and I'll see twhat I can do. I compile both gEDA and PCB from git-repository sources.

within geda there are some tools worth using. Like Gerbview, for example. Don't overlook that, if you plan having PCBs fabricated...

ALso, there is an alternative PCB ( PCB-NG) that is fork of existing PCB and that some prefer to original one.



Regards,


Branko

On 21. 02. 19 08:04, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

This is not a competition.....? the professional level of these tools.... EAGLE ,KiCad, gEDA......

has its real world industry standards for circuit and PCB design.

I was using GIMP because it was a simple solution for me and it did work quite well for many hobby circuits.....

long before I ever even heard of GERBER files and CAD for PCB design.

I was asking who recommended gEDA a while ago....?? and wanted to know if that person could recommend resources they learned from.
 

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I get the distinct idea that gerda is withering away.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: brane212 <brankob@...>
Date: 2/21/19 03:01 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [homebrewpcbs] who said use gEDA

OK, in short:

GEDA should be more than sufficient to cover your needs ( judging by
your posts), either with fabricated or DIY PCB boards.
I've done them with it both ways. It works - for me.

That being said, it has many niggles and warts, but nothing that is
unsurmountable or otherwise deal breaker.

It is fragmented and has many outdated components, but? those are easy
to solve- just don't use them.

If you don't like it in the end, fine, that's what aternatives are for,
like KiCAD.

Start on give site and read stuff.

Open a simplest design and learn ( ie one two pin diode and resistor)
and learn your way around part definition, footprint definition,

their useage, working with libraries etc. Open resulting files in tecxt
editor to see how your schematic, pcb and elements look in text.

Then look again at the given page and go through it again. It will be
easier to understand.

Then check your installation - what do you need, what is superflueous
and above all whether the program is compiled the way you like it.

I, for example, need OpenGL support in PCB, but without that goddamn
tool for PCB rotation in space ( "globe" on hte left side of the screen).
OpenGL really speeds up the screen redraw and has just the right layer
transparency. I also don't need autorouter stuff as it doesn't work for
me etc.

Then check configuration files and tweak them for your needs, especially
for YOUR libraries - forget that default stuff.

After that, play around with export options and prointer settings,
especially if yopu plan to do DIY PCBs.
You need to take guesswork out of prototyping and have things ready for
button-prss execution -
have transparencies printed correctly and with right orientation etc,
and to expose and etch them so that you get good PCB
on first attempt.

I chose gEDA over KiCAD because it feels much more like product of
hardware guys and less of a pure SW product from someone that never did
soldering.

Also, I like C much better than C++ and Qt etc and the source is much
more readable to me.

With gEDA I can hope to be able to understand and tweak the source,
KiCAD's C++/Qt are too much for my stomach...

BTW, I use mine on Gentoo. If you need to try that and would like my
ebuilds ( cookbook recipes that Gentoo uses so that it knows how to
compile a package)
element libraries etc, say so and I'll see twhat I can do. I compile
both gEDA and PCB from git-repository sources.

within geda there are some tools worth using. Like Gerbview, for
example. Don't overlook that, if you plan having PCBs fabricated...

ALso, there is an alternative PCB ( PCB-NG) that is fork of existing PCB
and that some prefer to original one.



Regards,


Branko









On 21. 02. 19 08:04, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> This is not a competition.....? the professional level of these
> tools.... EAGLE ,KiCad, gEDA......
>
> has its real world industry standards for circuit and PCB design.
>
> I was using GIMP because it was a simple solution for me and it did
> work quite well for many hobby circuits.....
>
> long before I ever even heard of GERBER files and CAD for PCB design.
>
> I was asking who recommended gEDA a while ago....?? and wanted to know
> if that person could recommend resources they learned from.
>





 

"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
They all demand a component library, a schematic GUI, then conversion into PCB.
gEDA's PCB does not require a schematic or component library. Just open
PCB and start drawing, like GIMP. You can use the default library for
common components (like 16-pin DIPs) or just draw them with vias and
lines (remember to untent your vias if you're sending them out to be
fabbed). The first PCB tutorial shows you how to do this:



As for poor vision, switch to the lesstif HID and pcb is fully
configurable via old-school .Xdefaults - fonts, colors, spacing,
everything.

Starting with gEDA 20030901, gsch2pcb is packaged with gEDA
Starting with the 2014 version, PCB has a File->Import that bypasses the
command line tools completely, so...

Back annotation from PCB to gschem is currently not possible.
True, but I keep both gschem and pcb up all the time, because the
save/import cycle is so short and easy that the lack of back-annotation
isn't a big deal.
 

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Snapeda as well as the availability of footprints and symbols from vendows, manufacturers and suppliers drove me to kicad iver feda.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Tablet

-------- Original message --------
From: DJ Delorie <dj@...>
Date: 2/21/19 1:52 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [homebrewpcbs] who said use gEDA


"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
> They all demand a component library, a schematic GUI, then conversion into PCB.

gEDA's PCB does not require a schematic or component library.? Just open
PCB and start drawing, like GIMP.? You can use the default library for
common components (like 16-pin DIPs) or just draw them with vias and
lines (remember to untent your vias if you're sending them out to be
fabbed).? The first PCB tutorial shows you how to do this:

http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/gs.html#LED-Board

As for poor vision, switch to the lesstif HID and pcb is fully
configurable via old-school .Xdefaults - fonts, colors, spacing,
everything.

> Starting with gEDA 20030901, gsch2pcb is packaged with gEDA

Starting with the 2014 version, PCB has a File->Import that bypasses the
command line tools completely, so...

> Back annotation from PCB to gschem is currently not possible.

True, but I keep both gschem and pcb up all the time, because the
save/import cycle is so short and easy that the lack of back-annotation
isn't a big deal.
 

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THANK YOU


what is lesstif HID?? ?


On 02/21/2019 02:52 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:

They all demand a component library, a schematic GUI, then conversion into PCB.

gEDA's PCB does not require a schematic or component library.  Just open
PCB and start drawing, like GIMP.  You can use the default library for
common components (like 16-pin DIPs) or just draw them with vias and
lines (remember to untent your vias if you're sending them out to be
fabbed).  The first PCB tutorial shows you how to do this:



As for poor vision, switch to the lesstif HID and pcb is fully
configurable via old-school .Xdefaults - fonts, colors, spacing,
everything.


Starting with gEDA 20030901, gsch2pcb is packaged with gEDA

Starting with the 2014 version, PCB has a File->Import that bypasses the
command line tools completely, so...


Back annotation from PCB to gschem is currently not possible.

True, but I keep both gschem and pcb up all the time, because the
save/import cycle is so short and easy that the lack of back-annotation
isn't a big deal.

 

DJ,

? Is the Windows version of gEDA stable and useful? Just curious as it seems geared towards Linux.

Thanks

On 2/21/2019 1:52 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
They all demand a component library, a schematic GUI, then conversion into PCB.
gEDA's PCB does not require a schematic or component library. Just open
PCB and start drawing, like GIMP. You can use the default library for
common components (like 16-pin DIPs) or just draw them with vias and
lines (remember to untent your vias if you're sending them out to be
fabbed). The first PCB tutorial shows you how to do this:
 

"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
THANK YOU
You're welcome.

what is lesstif HID ?
A HID is a "human interface device". PCB has two HIDs that are GUIs -
one that uses the GTK toolkit, and the other uses the Lesstif (typically
Motif these days) toolkit.

If you installed PCB from your distro, you may have an alternate package
you can install instead of "pcb" like "pcb-lesstif".

If you're building pcb from sources, use "./configure --with-gui=lesstif"

There's also a "batch" HID we use for scripting (like the testsuite, and
web CGIs) as well as a large range of export HIDs (like gerber,
postscript, png, etc).
 

"Dave" <theschemer@...> writes:
? Is the Windows version of gEDA stable and useful? Just curious as it
seems geared towards Linux.
We don't really have any windows or mac maintainers at this point, so if
you're a windows or mac user, use Kicad.
 

Well I tried the pcb-lesstif version in my distro and it is just as unusable as the plain pcb.


Font is too small, very light and just about unreadable once a menu is opened.? In neither case does it follow the standard font size set in Systems Settings.


Sorry but not usable to me and since I had eye surgery my sight is spot on.


Cheers,

Will

On 22/02/19 3:23 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
THANK YOU
You're welcome.

what is lesstif HID ?
A HID is a "human interface device". PCB has two HIDs that are GUIs -
one that uses the GTK toolkit, and the other uses the Lesstif (typically
Motif these days) toolkit.

If you installed PCB from your distro, you may have an alternate package
you can install instead of "pcb" like "pcb-lesstif".

If you're building pcb from sources, use "./configure --with-gui=lesstif"

There's also a "batch" HID we use for scripting (like the testsuite, and
web CGIs) as well as a large range of export HIDs (like gerber,
postscript, png, etc).
 

"William Kimber" <zl1tao@...> writes:
In neither case does it follow the standard font size set in Systems
Settings.
Yes, that's the whole point. It does NOT use gtk, so it does NOT use
the system settings, which only affect gtk apps. It uses its own
settings in .Xdefaults so you can customize it separately and
completely.

Sorry but not usable to me and since I had eye surgery my sight is
spot on.
Do you have a .Xdefaults that sets up your preferences?

Here's the relevent parts of mine:

*Font: 7x13bold
*font: 7x13bold
*FontList: 7x13bold
*FontListBold: 7x13bold
*boldFont: 7x13bold

*foreground: black
*background: grey80

*DPI: 100

*selectColor: yellow

*menubar*Background: #1f3e5a
*menu*Background: #1f3e5a
*menubar*Foreground: white
*menu*topShadowColor: #406080
*menu*Foreground: white
*menubar*FontList: -*-itc avant garde gothic-book-r-*-*-14-*-100-*-*-*-*-*
*menu*FontList: -*-itc avant garde gothic-book-r-*-*-14-*-100-*-*-*-*-*
*menufont: -*-itc avant garde gothic-book-r-*-*-14-*-100-*-*-*-*-*

Pcb.geometry: 1600x1500+1200+28
Pcb*messages*background: #09210c
Pcb*messages*topShadowColor: #124218
Pcb*messages*bottomShadowColor: #041006
Pcb*messages*foreground: #9d7842

Pcb.background-color: #ffeedd
Pcb.off-limit-color: skyblue
Pcb.grid-color: #ffffff
Pcb.draw-grid: True
Pcb.psbloat: 0

Pcb*style.Thickness*background: #aaccee
Pcb*style.Diameter*background: #eeccaa
Pcb*style.Hole*background: #aaccee
Pcb*style.Keepaway*background: #eeccaa


Pcb.rat-thickness: 3nm
Pcb.rat-color: #80c000

Pcb.layer-color-1: #a00000
Pcb.layer-color-2: #40a040
Pcb.layer-color-3: #a040a0
Pcb.layer-color-4: #004080

pcb*library.width: 700
pcb*library.height: 700
 

Ok, thanks. That is kind of what I figured...

Dave

On 2/21/2019 8:23 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Dave" <theschemer@...> writes:
? Is the Windows version of gEDA stable and useful? Just curious as it
seems geared towards Linux.
We don't really have any windows or mac maintainers at this point, so if
you're a windows or mac user, use Kicad.
 

These things can be set up.

If you don't find solution by yourself, get on their mail list and ask.



Branko

On 22. 02. 19 02:34, William Kimber wrote:
Well I tried the pcb-lesstif version in my distro and it is just as unusable as the plain pcb.


Font is too small, very light and just about unreadable once a menu is opened.? In neither case does it follow the standard font size set in Systems Settings.


Sorry but not usable to me and since I had eye surgery my sight is spot on.


Cheers,

Will

On 22/02/19 3:23 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
THANK YOU
You're welcome.

what is lesstif HID ?
A HID is a "human interface device".? PCB has two HIDs that are GUIs -
one that uses the GTK toolkit, and the other uses the Lesstif (typically
Motif these days) toolkit.

If you installed PCB from your distro, you may have an alternate package
you can install instead of "pcb" like "pcb-lesstif".

If you're building pcb from sources, use "./configure --with-gui=lesstif"

There's also a "batch" HID we use for scripting (like the testsuite, and
web CGIs) as well as a large range of export HIDs (like gerber,
postscript, png, etc).
 

BTW, since new serias( 5.xx) of KiCAD is out, I've decided to get at least a taste of it, so, I've installed it and:

- it still feels awkward to me.
- it's too bloated for its function
-it's still buggy as it crashes a lot, at least inside my constext ( Gentoo, Wayland, Enlightenment)
- it's slow
-its value added options ( resistance calculator etcetc) are of dubious value for me

So, at least for me, KiCAD is not really that enticing option.

Branko

On 22. 02. 19 08:42, brane212 wrote:
These things can be set up.

If you don't find solution by yourself, get on their mail list and ask.



Branko


On 22. 02. 19 02:34, William Kimber wrote:
Well I tried the pcb-lesstif version in my distro and it is just as unusable as the plain pcb.


Font is too small, very light and just about unreadable once a menu is opened.? In neither case does it follow the standard font size set in Systems Settings.


Sorry but not usable to me and since I had eye surgery my sight is spot on.


Cheers,

Will

On 22/02/19 3:23 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
THANK YOU
You're welcome.

what is lesstif HID ?
A HID is a "human interface device".? PCB has two HIDs that are GUIs -
one that uses the GTK toolkit, and the other uses the Lesstif (typically
Motif these days) toolkit.

If you installed PCB from your distro, you may have an alternate package
you can install instead of "pcb" like "pcb-lesstif".

If you're building pcb from sources, use "./configure --with-gui=lesstif"

There's also a "batch" HID we use for scripting (like the testsuite, and
web CGIs) as well as a large range of export HIDs (like gerber,
postscript, png, etc).
 

In the past I was a Tango PCB user and liked it very much! Now it runs only in a DOSbox.
??? Have tried KiCAD but not liked it. Same with DesignSpark.
??? Found DipTrace Free and liked it! Very easy to learn and use.

???

??? 73,
??? Mark Jordan - PY3SS

On 24-Feb-19 03:08, brane212 wrote:
BTW, since new serias( 5.xx) of KiCAD is out, I've decided to get at least a taste of it, so, I've installed it and:

- it still feels awkward to me.
- it's too bloated for its function
-it's still buggy as it crashes a lot, at least inside my constext ( Gentoo, Wayland, Enlightenment)
- it's slow
-its value added options ( resistance calculator etcetc) are of dubious value for me

So, at least for me, KiCAD is not really that enticing option.

Branko


On 22. 02. 19 08:42, brane212 wrote:
These things can be set up.

If you don't find solution by yourself, get on their mail list and ask.



Branko


On 22. 02. 19 02:34, William Kimber wrote:
Well I tried the pcb-lesstif version in my distro and it is just as unusable as the plain pcb.


Font is too small, very light and just about unreadable once a menu is opened.? In neither case does it follow the standard font size set in Systems Settings.


Sorry but not usable to me and since I had eye surgery my sight is spot on.


Cheers,

Will

On 22/02/19 3:23 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
"Rob via Groups.Io" <roomberg@...> writes:
THANK YOU
You're welcome.

what is lesstif HID ?
A HID is a "human interface device".? PCB has two HIDs that are GUIs -
one that uses the GTK toolkit, and the other uses the Lesstif (typically
Motif these days) toolkit.

If you installed PCB from your distro, you may have an alternate package
you can install instead of "pcb" like "pcb-lesstif".

If you're building pcb from sources, use "./configure --with-gui=lesstif"

There's also a "batch" HID we use for scripting (like the testsuite, and
web CGIs) as well as a large range of export HIDs (like gerber,
postscript, png, etc).

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