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[hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators
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Raul de Jalapeno
I love you guys!!! What would a guy do without all of ya? I love ya!! Now, get this clear.....I'm not going to reproduce an organ. All you who know me know I'm an electronics guy. I live, breathe and eat vacuum tubes and high voltage. You guys ever see Forbidden Planet? Remember the ID monster? That's me when my mercury-vapor rectifiers are really cookin'! If it wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't even know what to polish my CV with, much less make a cabinet! No, siree, me no make whole organ. What I want to do is reproduce the entire tonewheel generator from start motor to scanner. That's why I want to learn what tooling they used to make the parts with. Did they die stamp the wheels? The gears? Did they farm that part out to a sub-contractor? I dont know. Here's what I do know: I intend to see if the patent is still live on this thing. If not, I intend to figure out how to make TGs without emptying a soul's pocketbook. I've already spoken with my transformer vendor. He took one look at the specs and said: "Ah! Hammond tonewheel generator!! You want the coils and filters reproduced? No sweat and not big dough." I'll have to sub most of the work, but if I can make them to exact spec., I think we got something. Now, why would I do this? Pure altruism, folks. the whole idea is to keep what Hammonds are left in working order. Also, it would be interesting to have a TG kit prepared for the new B-3! I've repaired many TGs over the years, so I know there internal workings. On of the other lists has a gent whose taking waveforms and output voltages of each tonewheel of several good generators and placing the results in a spreadsheet. With his help, and some other goodies, we'll get the job done. I'm also going to prepare a line of exact replacement and upgrade transformers for our rigs. That should be ready in a month or so. Now, If someone wanted to make a line of cabinets, hmmm....
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From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Hey Raul! If we find anything still alive around Chicago, I can go pick it up. I'm only a few hours away. As far as tooling, what would there have really been? Are Tonewheels die-stamped? I haven't seen one out of its TG in so long I don't remember. There were probably stamping and forming dies for the TG and Pre-Amp chassis', but that's not really required. Maybe lathe patterns for legs and cabinet-piece templates, too. If we do a custom cabinet, we wouldn't need those. I don't think we want to repro the entire line, just B-3's, right? Well, maybe ALL the TG's used from about '34-'74, AO-28's, AO-15331's. Oh yeh! Molds for keys, Drawbar knobs, Vibrato knobs, Vibrato Scanner pieces would be nice, huh? Hmmmmmm... BCV-Ken |
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Good movie.
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Must have watched it 10 times. Mike ----- Original Message -----
From: Raul de Jalapeno To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators I love you guys!!! What would a guy do without all of ya? I love ya!! Now, get this clear.....I'm not going to reproduce an organ. All you who know me know I'm an electronics guy. I live, breathe and eat vacuum tubes and high voltage. You guys ever see Forbidden Planet? Remember the ID monster? That's me when my mercury-vapor rectifiers are really cookin'! If it wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't even know what to polish my CV with, much less make a cabinet! No, siree, me no make whole organ. What I want to do is reproduce the entire tonewheel generator from start motor to scanner. That's why I want to learn what tooling they used to make the parts with. Did they die stamp the wheels? The gears? Did they farm that part out to a sub-contractor? I dont know. Here's what I do know: I intend to see if the patent is still live on this thing. If not, I intend to figure out how to make TGs without emptying a soul's pocketbook. I've already spoken with my transformer vendor. He took one look at the specs and said: &qu Raul ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Hey Raul! If we find anything still alive around Chicago, I can go pick it up. I'm only a few hours away. As far as tooling, what would there have really been? Are Tonewheels die-stamped? I haven't seen one out of its TG in so long I don't remember. There were probably stamping and forming dies for the TG and Pre-Amp chassis', but that's not really required. Maybe lathe patterns for legs and cabinet-piece templates, too. If we do a custom cabinet, we wouldn't need those. I don't think we want to repro the entire line, just B-3's, right? Well, maybe ALL the TG's used from about '34-'74, AO-28's, AO-15331's. Oh yeh! Molds for keys, Drawbar knobs, Vibrato knobs, Vibrato Scanner pieces would be nice, huh? Hmmmmmm... BCV-Ken Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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The wheels are machined as are the gears,brass hubs and steel
shafts.The bakelite gears look to be pressed or stamped,but may also be machined for concentricity.The dividers are stamped out in one piece as are the horizontal supports with all the alignment nitches.the bushings are Oillite Bronze and are turned parts. All can be duplicated with the right tooling but the cost would be up there. Would it be worth it?HECK YES! Please respond Imight be interested in partisipating I'm a machinist,toolmaker by trade. The Old Guy G6019L@... |
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Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Raul,
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So what did the transformer vendor say? The suspense is killing me. I knew what you were scheming! I've got quite a bit of machining experience (and other Mechanical Engineering skills), so figuring out how to make these things shouldn't be too hard. With your electronic skills and my shoe-tying ability, WE COULD RULE THE WORLD!! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA (cough-cough)!!!!!! Probably the worst part about it would be the phenolic molding. Aren't the TG gears bakelite, too? They's a lot of molded phenolic resin in this thing! Of course, there are other materials and processes. We'll figure it out. BCV-Ken -----Original Message----- |
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Randall Bush
You got it, old guy!! I've saved your Email address in my "tonewheel generator resurrection" file under "material manipulation expert".
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Laddie Williams
It really might be fun to make tone-wheel systems, but it would seem that it should be a business with the
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members as stockholders. Whatever, there will come some "ownership." Because there are potentially more who would be interested, it is adviseable to create a corporation. It is not too expensive to do this in Florida. It is a "corporate friendly" state. I don't see why the entire system could not be laser driven in its basic design. ----- Original Message -----
From: G6019LPOP@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators The wheels are machined as are the gears,brass hubs and steel shafts.The bakelite gears look to be pressed or stamped,but may also be machined for concentricity.The dividers are stamped out in one piece as are the horizontal supports with all the alignment nitches.the bushings are Oillite Bronze and are turned parts. All can be duplicated with the right tooling but the cost would be up there. Would it be worth it?HECK YES! Please respond Imight be interested in partisipating I'm a machinist,toolmaker by trade. The Old Guy G6019L@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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All members should become share holders and agree that the minimum number of units built should equil the number of shareholders.
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From: Laddie Williams To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators It really might be fun to make tone-wheel systems, but it would seem that it should be a business with the members as stockholders. Whatever, there will come some "ownership." Because there are potentially more who would be interested, it is adviseable to create a corporation. It is not too expensive to do this in Florida. It is a "corporate friendly" state. I don't see why the entire system could not be laser driven in its basic design. ----- Original Message ----- From: G6019LPOP@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators The wheels are machined as are the gears,brass hubs and steel shafts.The bakelite gears look to be pressed or stamped,but may also be machined for concentricity.The dividers are stamped out in one piece as are the horizontal supports with all the alignment nitches.the bushings are Oillite Bronze and are turned parts. All can be duplicated with the right tooling but the cost would be up there. Would it be worth it?HECK YES! Please respond Imight be interested in partisipating I'm a machinist,toolmaker by trade. The Old Guy G6019L@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Laddie Williams
This is an interesting idea, but what is your rationale?
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From: mtcasino@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators All members should become share holders and agree that the minimum number of units built should equil the number of shareholders. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Laddie Williams To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators It really might be fun to make tone-wheel systems, but it would seem that it should be a business with the members as stockholders. Whatever, there will come some "ownership." Because there are potentially more who would be interested, it is adviseable to create a corporation. It is not too expensive to do this in Florida. It is a "corporate friendly" state. I don't see why the entire system could not be laser driven in its basic design. ----- Original Message ----- From: G6019LPOP@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators The wheels are machined as are the gears,brass hubs and steel shafts.The bakelite gears look to be pressed or stamped,but may also be machined for concentricity.The dividers are stamped out in one piece as are the horizontal supports with all the alignment nitches.the bushings are Oillite Bronze and are turned parts. All can be duplicated with the right tooling but the cost would be up there. Would it be worth it?HECK YES! Please respond Imight be interested in partisipating I'm a machinist,toolmaker by trade. The Old Guy G6019L@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Laddie:
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This should have read : "All interested members " But to your question any member of this group who ventures inti this project no matter what the outcome should at least wind up with a working "Halapieno Tone Wheel Generator" ( HPTWG ) Of course if that sounds good to Randy. mike ----- Original Message -----
From: Laddie Williams To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators This is an interesting idea, but what is your rationale? ----- Original Message ----- From: mtcasino@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators All members should become share holders and agree that the minimum number of units built should equil the number of shareholders. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Laddie Williams To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators It really might be fun to make tone-wheel systems, but it would seem that it should be a business with the members as stockholders. Whatever, there will come some "ownership." Because there are potentially more who would be interested, it is adviseable to create a corporation. It is not too expensive to do this in Florida. It is a "corporate friendly" state. I don't see why the entire system could not be laser driven in its basic design. ----- Original Message ----- From: G6019LPOP@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators The wheels are machined as are the gears,brass hubs and steel shafts.The bakelite gears look to be pressed or stamped,but may also be machined for concentricity.The dividers are stamped out in one piece as are the horizontal supports with all the alignment nitches.the bushings are Oillite Bronze and are turned parts. All can be duplicated with the right tooling but the cost would be up there. Would it be worth it?HECK YES! Please respond Imight be interested in partisipating I'm a machinist,toolmaker by trade. The Old Guy G6019L@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Laddie Williams
Yes, I am interested.. want to incorporate in Florida
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From: mtcasino@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators Laddie: This should have read : "All interested members " But to your question any member of this group who ventures inti this project no matter what the outcome should at least wind up with a working "Halapieno Tone Wheel Generator" ( HPTWG ) Of course if that sounds good to Randy. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Laddie Williams To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators This is an interesting idea, but what is your rationale? ----- Original Message ----- From: mtcasino@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators All members should become share holders and agree that the minimum number of units built should equil the number of shareholders. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Laddie Williams To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators It really might be fun to make tone-wheel systems, but it would seem that it should be a business with the members as stockholders. Whatever, there will come some "ownership." Because there are potentially more who would be interested, it is adviseable to create a corporation. It is not too expensive to do this in Florida. It is a "corporate friendly" state. I don't see why the entire system could not be laser driven in its basic design. ----- Original Message ----- From: G6019LPOP@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators The wheels are machined as are the gears,brass hubs and steel shafts.The bakelite gears look to be pressed or stamped,but may also be machined for concentricity.The dividers are stamped out in one piece as are the horizontal supports with all the alignment nitches.the bushings are Oillite Bronze and are turned parts. All can be duplicated with the right tooling but the cost would be up there. Would it be worth it?HECK YES! Please respond Imight be interested in partisipating I'm a machinist,toolmaker by trade. The Old Guy G6019L@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Raul de Jalapeno
Fellow Zoners,
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Not a small amount of discussion has been bandied about regarding the structure of the business end of making the reborn TWGs. I should like to clear that point up so that there's no confusion. This will not be a large business that will have a huge marketing plan, budget, etc. just for tonewheels. As I've stated, this is an exercise in altruism for our Hammonds and if I can make enough to break it even, I'm content. I own other businesses that by which I make my income. I've already turned over the patent search to my attorney to make sure I'm not stepping on any toes before I get too serious about the TWG. I can say that I have other interests than just reproducing TWGs and those are providing a line of transformers for Hammonds and Leslies, as well as "legitimitizing" my amplifier design and restore services. All of these will most likely be combined into one small corporation. Again, my attorney is handling these details at this time. Raul has many things going on, including finishing my web site, finishing my CV, finishing my Leslie amp and this wonderful new project. Not to mention trying to learn how to play the blessed CV. In addition, I'm helping a young college student three nights a week to design and build a tube amp from scratch for his graduate project. So, Raul es mucho busy. I wanted all of you to know where I stand and my desire to do what I do best...supply components that will keep 'em spinnin' for a long time to come. Any corporation that is formed to manage these projects will be formed by myself in the State of Colorado with possible extensions to the UK. I hope that clears that matter up. I appreciate all the assistance with these projects as it benefits all of us. Raul ---- Original Message -----
From: Laddie Williams To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators Yes, I am interested.. want to incorporate in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: mtcasino@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators Laddie: This should have read : "All interested members " But to your question any member of this group who ventures inti this project no matter what the outcome should at least wind up with a working "Halapieno Tone Wheel Generator" ( HPTWG ) Of course if that sounds good to Randy. |
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