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If it were 8 DB for the lower, 1 pedel and 9 for the upper in that order, its a M series M ,M2 or M3.
But you did say 7 for the lower manual.
Humm. Not sure.
What were the color patterns of the drawbars?
Any protruding speaker grill by you knee?
If yes 1 or 2 ?

it had 7 drawbars for the lower manual, 1 for the pedal, 9 for the upper, and then one more for the upper.

carlo

I have no clue

well, it was definitely a Hammond. it had the name written on the bar between the upper and lower manuals, and I had to hold the start switch for a few seconds, then hit the run switch. It only had 12 pedals, and that threw me off.

carlo

No question about it being one of the "M" series organs, since the start/run
switches are under the right side of the console AND that it has 12 pedals.
Dead giveaway that way. Good organ, if in good shape.

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Thanks Bill! By the way, why only 12 pedals? Why not add the C like all other spinets? Also, what's that other drawbar? What's the pitch? Is it a mixture, or the 8/9 harmonic?

carlo

The M, M-2 and M-3 were the first spinets made, why they had 12 pedals I
don't know but they added the high C to all the later spinets..
These organs had the start run swiches under the console and 12 pedals, but
they had eight lower drawbars, one pedal drawbar and nine upper drawbars.
The only tonewheel spinets with the start run switches I have ever heard
of(and I am almost certain that I know of them all) are M, M-2 ,M-3 and the
M-100 series (the M-100's have the swiches in the normal spot).You have
found an odd organ indeed, if you have a chance to see it again double check
the number of drawbars and look at the name plate on the back. Did the organ
look like this one?


Cheers,
Ronnie.

YES!!! That's it!!! That's the organ I played today..............

usually, spinets have 7 drawbars on the lower, and 9 on top. What's the extra lower drawbar for?

carlo

Decoration? I've never seen anyone actually use it! Same for the extra
drawbars on the H-series.


Chris Clifton

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Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
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The extra lower drawbar is the highest black drawbar with a dot on it, it
is a mixture of two tones(i think the tonic and a third above but I could be
wrong.) All of the M seiries have this feature, the L-100's do not.
Ron.

I am far from an orginist(jazz and rock organ players are not organists
right ;) but when I feel like playing a little "Hockey Music" on my X-77 the
extra drawbars add quite a bit to the over all sound. "Cheesy" organ music
is not my thing but I hear Klaus Wunderlich uses the extra drawbars when he
rips it up!!
Cheers,
Ronnie.

The tenth drawbar is most likely the pedal control.
The Old Guy

Hi Ron,

Whats "Hockey Music".

Jeff

Hi Jeff,
I used to go to Maple Leaf gardens in Toronto when I was younger(not that
long ago as I am 26) They always had organ music during the game. They have
it at most Baseball parks too, I don't know the proper name for this kind of
music so I called hockey music;)

Da na na na na na, CHARGE!!!!
Lets Go Zoners Lets GO!!!
Ronnie.

The reason that the very early M's only had 12 pedals is because Hammond
decided that they needed a smaller home organ for sale to the general
public. So the engineers were asked to produce a spinet model with ONE
octave of pedals and 44 note offset manuals... the engineers, not being
musicians decided in their infinite wisdom to only give EXACTLY one
octave... 12 notes C-B!

Hence the birth of the rather strange bass unit! Some people find it
impossible to play them and keep stamping on the floor.

The reason that the 16' and 5 1/3' are not added to the lower manuals of the
spinets is because you would theoretically only have a very small useable
part of the manual while they were being registrated. Single notes would
sound OK, but chords would sound terrible... try it, play some chords in the
lowest octave of the upper manual with the 16' and 5 1/3' mixed in. That
will show you the result, AARRGGHH!! Muddy as the depths of hell! Also it
did save them money I suppose! They would be of no value unless playing
bass lines, but then they would fold back anyway, so what would be the
point.

I remember someone asking a while ago about the X5 registration on the demo
track (on a website).. it is the Tibias preset - Leslie fast/slow to suit,
no vibrato, foot to the floor, screaming away, ears bleeding!

End of story time.

Daz

Yes, Klaus USED to do this... he died a while ago. Brilliant organist, but
not a very nice man. I watched him on many occasions ignore children who
wanted his autograph, saying to a friend of mine "I am not at work, I have
finished my concert... I now go to my hotel, please leave and bother someone
else"

So I shouted after him, "when do you plan to perform a LIVE concert Klaus?
Instead of playing over multitracking and cheating the public. This society
has just paid ???2000 to listen to a CD" He returned a mouth full of abuse
which I cannot write here because it would look like this **!"???$%%^&*&* I
think you get the massage... As the Swedish prime minister once said!! LOL!

The Wersi organ had quite a good electronic tremolo, called Wersi voice...
very effective. I was offered a Wersi Galaxy last week for ???100... left it
alone cause they can be big trouble, if you think the RT's and Model E's are
big... they are bugger all to a Galaxy.

Daz

OHHHHHH i get it.I know what your talkin about.I just wasn't thinking.


jeff

Jeff,
The Hockey m,usic we refer to would be something bery similar to this.
A very, very brassy sounding organ with great depth of the vibrato and
tremolo.
Don't know how old you are, but think back to the days of General Hospital.
Lets say through the sixties. The background music was a Hammond in the
studios. It';s sound was very brassy and had a severe depth in vibrato as
well as tremolo. The depth of these modulations was so great at one time it
would'nt even sound like an A minor chord. Just pulsating white noise. But
when the soap got to a romantic part, no distortion and a simple full organ
sound that seemed to rise in volume as the soap neared the end. At the very
end , the chord would be held and the organist would quickly lower the volume
on the expression pedal and then once more at the cresendo bring it quickly
back up to full volume , almost to distortion, and at the same time with the
left hand , bring the 4', 2', 1', 1/2 drawbars all the way out.
Such, I always thought they were trying to imitate a theatre organ on a
Hammond.
Lets not forget the game show background music about that time frame as well.
Let's make a deal show included that brassy sound, with a player with some
darn fast footwork on the bass pedals.
Ok, someone help me out on this one. Who were those keyboardists?
Dang good job, I thought.
Jimmy

1/2'?

the pitches for the 9 drawbars are
16
5 1/3
8
4
2 2/3
2
1 3/5
1 1/3
1

where's the 1/2?

Thanks, Daz.
I was always wondering who these guys were. In my church, we had a couple
female organists that would litterally "stomp" on that gas pedal and create
such distortion you couldn't hear the actual tune. All you would hear was the
rumbling bass and maybe some flutes. I was always the opposite. I like that
brassy sound, not too much, but just enough, just enough , for the city.
Jimmy