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I need a clear, crisp copy of the schematic for an AL80-A. It is dead
and I am going to attempot a fix. Any help will be appreciated.
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Hi, Vernon --- I would: 1. remove the tube. 2. measure the filament/grid BDV with a high pot. <5kV is not okay. 3. fire the amp up without the tube and make sure the HV is normal. 4. check the meter accuracy, esp. the grid-I and anode/plate-I. 5. unsolder one end of the VHF suppressor R from L-supp and measure its resistance. 6. inspect the 10m and 15m L, plus the 80m & 160m Tune-C-padder bandswitch contacts. 7. if the R in #4 is more than 50% high, and/or if there are burned bandswitch contacts, it might be a good idea to decrease the VHF-Q of the VHF suppressor. 8. Add a 120J 10-ohm to 20-ohm glitch R in series with the HV+. end On Dec 26, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Vernon J. Kunes, Jr. wrote: I need a clear, crisp copy of the schematic for an AL80-A. It is dead
and I am going to attempot a fix. Any help will be appreciated.
... R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734 r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
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--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:
Hi, Vernon
.
6. inspect the 10m and 15m L, plus the 80m & 160m Tune-C-padder
bandswitch contacts.
##### Rich.... do they actually pad the C1 tune cap on 160 + 80m on a AL-80 B ??? I can understand maybe padding the C1 cap on 160m... but not 80m. ### I think they pull the same stunt on the TL-922 on at least 160m ? ## I can see now where these amps could easily give plenty of trbl. There is one heluva lot of RF on a tune cap as is. ### padding a load cap is no big deal... padding a tune cap is a big deal. Later... Jim VE7RF
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The AL-80A manual can be downloaded from <> or a paper copy can be obtained directly from Ameritron. pentalab wrote: --- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:
Hi, Vernon
.
6. inspect the 10m and 15m L, plus the 80m & 160m Tune-C-padder bandswitch contacts. ##### Rich.... do they actually pad the C1 tune cap on 160 + 80m on a AL-80 B ??? I can understand maybe padding the C1 cap on 160m... but not 80m. The schematic shows padding C1 on 160 meters only but padding C2 on 160, 80 and 40 meters. ### I think they pull the same stunt on the TL-922 on at least 160m ?
## I can see now where these amps could easily give plenty of trbl. There is one heluva lot of RF on a tune cap as is.
### padding a load cap is no big deal... padding a tune cap is a big deal. Later... Jim VE7RF 73, Tony W4ZT
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On Dec 27, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Tony King - W4ZT wrote: The AL-80A manual can be downloaded from
<> or a paper copy can be obtained
directly from Ameritron.
pentalab wrote:
--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:
Hi, Vernon
.
6. inspect the 10m and 15m L, plus the 80m & 160m Tune-C-padder
bandswitch contacts. ##### Rich.... do they actually pad the C1 tune cap on 160 + 80m
on a AL-80 B ??? I can understand maybe padding the C1 cap on
160m... but not 80m. The schematic shows padding C1 on 160 meters only but padding C2 on 160,
80 and 40 meters. Sorry, Jim. My mistake.
### I think they pull the same stunt on the TL-922 on at least
160m ?
The 922 uses Tune-C padders on 160m and 80m. ## I can see now where these amps could easily give plenty of trbl.
There is one heluva lot of RF on a tune cap as is.
### padding a load cap is no big deal... padding a tune cap is a
big deal.
agreed
Later... Jim VE7RF
R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734 r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
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The problem at this time is that the amp takes out the 10 amp fuses
when I turn it on. High voltage problem?
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--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:
On Dec 27, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Tony King - W4ZT wrote:
The AL-80A manual can be downloaded from
<> or a paper copy can be obtained
directly from Ameritron.
pentalab wrote:
--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:
Hi, Vernon
.
6. inspect the 10m and 15m L, plus the 80m & 160m Tune-C-padder
bandswitch contacts. ##### Rich.... do they actually pad the C1 tune cap on 160 + 80m
on a AL-80 B ??? I can understand maybe padding the C1 cap on
160m... but not 80m. The schematic shows padding C1 on 160 meters only but padding C2 on
160,
80 and 40 meters. Sorry, Jim. My mistake.
### I think they pull the same stunt on the TL-922 on at least
160m ?
The 922 uses Tune-C padders on 160m and 80m.
## I can see now where these amps could easily give plenty of trbl.
There is one heluva lot of RF on a tune cap as is.
### padding a load cap is no big deal... padding a tune cap is a
big deal.
agreed
Later... Jim VE7RF
R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
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Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
I'm not familiar with this amp, but a good guess is that I would look for
a shorted diode or diodes in the power supply.
73,
Mike, W5UC
At 07:27 PM 12/27/2006, you wrote:
The problem at this time is that
the amp takes out the 10 amp fuses
when I turn it on. High voltage problem?
--- In
ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures
wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Tony King - W4ZT wrote:
>
> > The AL-80A manual can be downloaded from
> >
<> or a paper copy can be
obtained
> > directly from Ameritron.
> >
> > pentalab wrote:
> > > --- In
ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures
wrote:
> > >> Hi, Vernon
> > >> .
> > >> 6. inspect the 10m and 15m L, plus the 80m & 160m
Tune-C-padder
> > >> bandswitch contacts.
> > >
> > > ##### Rich.... do they actually pad the C1 tune cap on 160
+ 80m
> > > on a AL-80 B ??? I can understand maybe padding the C1 cap
on
> > > 160m... but not 80m.
> >
> > The schematic shows padding C1 on 160 meters only but padding
C2 on
> > 160,
> > 80 and 40 meters.
>
> Sorry, Jim. My mistake.
> >
> > >
> > > ### I think they pull the same stunt on the TL-922 on at
least
> > 160m ?
> > >
>
> The 922 uses Tune-C padders on 160m and 80m.
> > > ## I can see now where these amps could easily give plenty
of trbl.
> > > There is one heluva lot of RF on a tune cap as is.
> > >
> > > ### padding a load cap is no big deal... padding a tune
cap is a
> > > big deal.
>
> agreed
> > >
> > > Later... Jim VE7RF
> > >
> >
>
> R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
> r@..., rlm@...,
>
"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
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On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Vernon J. Kunes, Jr. wrote: The problem at this time is that the amp takes out the 10 amp fuses
when I turn it on. High voltage problem?
Probably. With the tube in or out? R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734 r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
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On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) wrote: I'm not familiar with this amp, but a good guess is that I would look for a shorted diode or diodes in the power supply. If a HV rectifier diode shorts, and the electrolytics are not protected from AC by reverse diodes, the electrolytics are DOA. ... R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734 r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
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--- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:
On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) wrote:
I'm not familiar with this amp, but a good guess is that I
would look for a shorted diode or diodes in the power supply.
RICH SEZ....If a HV rectifier diode shorts, and the electrolytics
are not protected from AC by reverse diodes, the electrolytics are DOA. ### agreed. Which is why I always install at least one reverse connected 6A10 [1 kv-6A CCS-400A surge] diode across each HV electrolytic. Now Ameritron isn't the only ones who leave out the RVS connected diode across each lytic...they all do. I don't see any RVS connected diodes across caps in alpha's, qro, Command technology, heath, dentron, amp supply, or anybody else. They are all on the..... "get cheap program". ### I'm tellin u fellows.... if these manufacturer's of ham gear can eliminate just one diode, screw, washer, or anything else, they will do it in a heart beat.... to enhance profits. ### Rauch keeps bragging about how Ameritron pays very little for parts in bulk. Have u any idea what a diode cost... when ur buying 100,000 to 500,000+ of em at one shot ? ### So here's yet another potential case of 8x expensive lytics down the toilet.. cuz some bonehead conveniently forgot to install 16 cents worth of diodes at the factory. Can u imagine smoking 20-30 x 2000-5200 uf lytics in a real HV supply ? ### At least they should offer two versions of any amp.... the 2nd one costing $5.00 more.... that's designed and built right. Later... Jim VE7RF ... R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
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On Dec 28, 2006, at 10:31 AM, pentalab wrote: --- In ham_amplifiers@..., R L Measures <r@...> wrote:
On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) wrote:
I'm not familiar with this amp, but a good guess is that I
would look for a shorted diode or diodes in the power supply.
RICH SEZ....If a HV rectifier diode shorts, and the electrolytics
are not protected from AC by reverse diodes, the electrolytics are
DOA.
### agreed. Which is why I always install at least one reverse
connected 6A10 [1 kv-6A CCS-400A surge] diode across each HV
electrolytic. Now Ameritron isn't the only ones who leave out the
RVS connected diode across each lytic...they all do. I don't see
any RVS connected diodes across caps in alpha's, qro, Command
technology, heath, dentron, amp supply, or anybody else. They are
all on the..... "get cheap program". ** In 50-yrs of Hamming, I have had one case of electrolytics that were damaged by a bad rectifier.
### I'm tellin u fellows.... if these manufacturer's of ham gear
can eliminate just one diode, screw, washer, or anything else, they
will do it in a heart beat.... to enhance profits.
** .. and it also keeps the service department busy.
### Rauch keeps bragging about how Ameritron pays very little for
parts in bulk. Have u any idea what a diode cost... when ur buying
100,000 to 500,000+ of em at one shot ?
** Currently we are paying about 15-cents each for a reel of 1400, 1N5408s. (rated: 3A-avg, 200a-recurrent peak, 1000piv, typically test at c. 1400piv) Thus, protecting a typical electrolytic filter bank would cost c. $1.20 plus the cost of labor.
### So here's yet another potential case of 8x expensive lytics
down the toilet..
** Or maybe kerblam, slam up against the ceiling. cuz some bonehead conveniently forgot to install
16 cents worth of diodes at the factory. Can u imagine smoking
20-30 x 2000-5200 uf lytics in a real HV supply ?
### At least they should offer two versions of any amp.... the 2nd
one costing $5.00 more.... that's designed and built right. ** In "The Nearly Perfect Amplifier" (January, 1994 *QST*), I listed the cost of each improvement. The total worked to about a 10% cost increase -- mostly due to the cost of the high-speed vacuum relay. This was apparently what caused the most tight jaws among amplifier manufactures. To me, this is crazy. If a manufacturer did his homework, he would realize that most people will gladly pay more for a quality product that will give good service. As I see it, a QST ad for an amplifier that listed the specific reasons it was better would sell amplifiers. Example: During WW-II, Japanese engineers and manufacturers were taken with the remarkably high quality of American airplanes that crash-landed. Some of the more intact American airplanes even went on tour around Japan. During the war, one of the Americans who was responsible for this quality was Dr. W. Edwards Deming. After WW- II, Dr. Deming was invited to Japan to give lectures on how to go about making high quality things that people will want to buy. cheers, Jim R. L. Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734 r@..., rlm@..., www.somis.org
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Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
At 08:42 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
After WW-
II, Dr. Deming was invited to Japan to give lectures on how to go
about making high quality things that people will want to buy.
cheers, Jim
Isn't that amazing?? And now American automobile mfrs wonder why the
mind set in this country (including me) is to buy Japanese cars. Now GM
is struggling to regain it's reputation, and the labor unions are still
wanting to price themselves out of a job and GM out of the market.
I wonder what percentage of ham amplifier products are made in the
US?? If they are being made off-shore, how much labor would it cost
to build a quality product. Did you ever wonder what happened to
Hallicrafters & Hammarlund? If someone knows what caused the demise
of these two I would like to hear the story.? I still miss my
HQ-129X. (No I didn't sell it.? It went under in 6 feet of salt
water in Hurricane Carla in 1961)
73,
Mike, W5UC
"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
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All you need to do is study the management
philosophy and practices of WalMart.
?
WalMart dictates the selling price to their
suppliers, and when they say to WalMart that they cannot
supply a product at what WalMart wants to pay,
WalMart directs them to an overseas supplier of labor
or parts, or parts and labor. If the
supplier wishes to stay in business they follow orders.
?
There are no television manufacturers left
in America.
?
There were never, not one, ever, facsimile
machine manufacturers in America.
?
American business has chosen to divert
monies to volumetric production schemes to lower consumer prices
and to increase selling stock, and to increase cellular coverage for more
immediate return on investment than
in research and development. The Japanese
still devote a large portion of their manufacturing revenue into
R&D. That is why they have surpassed
the United States.
?
Our cellular telephone providers would
rather sink money into radio systems increasing bandwidth and coverage volume
than they would on hardening the system with backup generators, towers that are
not at the 85% windload factor and battery plants that serve anything more than
noise filters, as it would take a 100% increase in capacity to afford any sort
of uninterruptible backup.
?
Find out who goes to medical schools these
days.
?
Is it our sons and daughters who have
studied hard and achieved academic excellence in their
baccalaureate endeavors?
?
Or is it mostly off-shore students whose
parents can afford to fund a chair?
?
Mike, you are entirely correct. RF
amplifiers are too expensive to build here. Look at the latest
edition that was touted on the reflector. Kilobucks.?
Even the offshore amplifier companies are
outrageous, like Emtron. The Ameritron
might be our last chance. Alpha sure won¡¯t be the last bastion
because their targeted market is so narrow.
It¡¯s going to be Joe Ham that keeps Ameritron in the running,
and Ameritron will need to contend with the
competition FROM China
for the last remaining component resources as the supply dwindles.
?
Hal Mandel
W4HBM
?
From:
ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006
10:14 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re:
AL80-A
?
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At 08:42
AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
After WW-
II, Dr. Deming was invited to Japan
to give lectures on how to go
about making high quality things that people will want to buy.
cheers, Jim
Isn't that amazing?? And now American automobile mfrs wonder why the mind
set in this country (including me) is to buy Japanese cars. Now GM is
struggling to regain it's reputation, and the labor unions are still wanting to
price themselves out of a job and GM out of the market.
I wonder what percentage of ham amplifier products are made in the US?? If
they are being made off-shore, how much labor would it cost to build a quality
product. Did you ever wonder what happened to Hallicrafters & Hammarlund?
If someone knows what caused the demise of these two I would like to hear the
story.? I still miss my HQ-129X. (No I didn't sell it.? It went under
in 6 feet of salt water in Hurricane Carla in 1961)
73,
Mike, W5UC
"age
& treachery will overcome youth & skill"
|
Exactly why I've never been in a wallmart. The job you protect?will eventually be your own.
Harold Mandel wrote:
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All you need to do is study the management philosophy and practices of WalMart.
WalMart dictates the selling price to their suppliers, and when they say to WalMart that they cannot supply a product at what WalMart wants to pay, WalMart directs them to an overseas supplier of labor or parts, or parts and labor. If the supplier wishes to stay in business they follow orders.
There are no television manufacturers left in America.
There were never, not one, ever, facsimile machine manufacturers in America.
American business has chosen to divert monies to volumetric production schemes to lower consumer prices
and to increase selling stock, and to increase cellular coverage for more immediate return on investment than
in research and development. The Japanese still devote a large portion of their manufacturing revenue into R&D. That is why they have surpassed the United States.
Our cellular telephone providers would rather sink money into radio systems increasing bandwidth and coverage volume than they would on hardening the system with backup generators, towers that are not at the 85% windload factor and battery
plants that serve anything more than noise filters, as it would take a 100% increase in capacity to afford any sort of uninterruptible backup.
Find out who goes to medical schools these days.
Is it our sons and daughters who have studied hard and achieved academic excellence in their baccalaureate endeavors?
Or is it mostly off-shore students whose parents can afford to fund a chair?
Mike, you are entirely correct. RF amplifiers are too expensive to build here. Look at the latest edition that was touted on the reflector. Kilobucks.? Even the offshore
amplifier companies are outrageous, like Emtron. The Ameritron might be our last chance. Alpha sure wont be the last bastion because their targeted market is so narrow. Its going to be Joe Ham that keeps Ameritron in the running, and Ameritron will need to contend with the competition FROM China for the last remaining component resources as the supply dwindles.
Hal Mandel W4HBM
From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:14 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A
At 08:42 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote: After WW-
II, Dr. Deming was invited to Japan to give lectures on how to go
about making high quality things that people will want to buy.
cheers, Jim
Isn't that amazing?? And now American automobile mfrs wonder why the mind set in this country (including me) is to buy Japanese cars. Now GM is struggling to regain it's reputation, and the labor unions are still wanting to price themselves out of a job and GM out of the market.
I wonder what percentage of ham amplifier products are made in the US?? If they are being made off-shore, how much labor would it cost to build a quality product. Did you ever wonder what happened to Hallicrafters & Hammarlund? If someone knows what caused the demise of these two I would like to hear the story.? I still miss my HQ-129X. (No I didn't sell it.? It went under in 6 feet
of salt water in Hurricane Carla in 1961)
73,
Mike, W5UC
"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
|
If the
Wal-Mart business model had been discovered?sooner and applied by more
American businesses, there would be a lot more of them still in operation.?
The basic strategy followed by the major manufacturing companies was "Give the
unions whatever they want no matter how unreasonable it may be?and keep the
lines running.? We will just pass the additional cost along to the
buyers."
?
One
day some one came along who could make and sell it for less
money.
?
David
KC2JD
?
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Show quoted text
All you need to do is study the
management philosophy and practices of WalMart.
WalMart dictates the selling price to
their suppliers, and when they say to WalMart that they
cannot
supply a product at what WalMart wants to
pay, WalMart directs them to an overseas supplier of
labor
or parts, or parts and labor. If the
supplier wishes to stay in business they follow
orders.
There are no television manufacturers
left in America.
There were never, not one, ever,
facsimile machine manufacturers in
America.
American business has chosen to divert
monies to volumetric production schemes to lower consumer prices
and to
increase selling stock, and to increase cellular coverage for more immediate
return on investment than
in research and development. The Japanese
still devote a large portion of their manufacturing revenue
into
R&D. That is why they have surpassed
the United States.
Our cellular telephone providers would
rather sink money into radio systems increasing bandwidth and coverage volume
than they would on hardening the system with backup generators, towers that
are not at the 85% windload factor and battery plants that serve anything more
than noise filters, as it would take a 100% increase in capacity to afford any
sort of uninterruptible backup.
Find out who goes to medical schools
these days.
Is it our sons and daughters who have
studied hard and achieved academic excellence in
their
baccalaureate
endeavors?
Or is it mostly off-shore students whose
parents can afford to fund a chair?
Mike, you are entirely correct. RF
amplifiers are too expensive to build here. Look at the
latest
edition that was touted on the reflector.
Kilobucks.? Even the offshore amplifier companies
are
outrageous, like Emtron. The Ameritron
might be our last chance. Alpha sure won¡¯t be the last
bastion
because their targeted market is so
narrow. It¡¯s going to be Joe Ham that keeps Ameritron in the
running,
and Ameritron will need to contend with
the competition FROM China for the last remaining
component resources as the supply dwindles.
Hal Mandel
W4HBM
From:
ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) &
Kathy(K5MWH)
Sent: Friday,
December 29, 2006 10:14 AM
To:
ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re:
AL80-A
At 08:42
AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
After WW-
II, Dr. Deming was invited to
Japan to give lectures on how to go
about making
high quality things that people will want to buy.
cheers,
Jim
Isn't that amazing?? And now American
automobile mfrs wonder why the mind set in this country (including me) is to
buy Japanese cars. Now GM is struggling to regain it's reputation, and the
labor unions are still wanting to price themselves out of a job and GM out of
the market.
I wonder what percentage of ham amplifier products are
made in the US?? If they are being made off-shore,
how much labor would it cost to build a quality product. Did you ever wonder
what happened to Hallicrafters & Hammarlund? If someone knows what caused
the demise of these two I would like to hear the story.? I still miss my
HQ-129X. (No I didn't sell it.? It went under in 6 feet of salt water in
Hurricane Carla in 1961)
73,
Mike,
W5UC
"age
& treachery will overcome youth & skill"
|
I prefer to keep our money in America and have Americans working. So what if it costs more. Are you willing to work for $8 an hour to lower costs? This?should be?a closed loop system like a lot of countries in Europe. Presently we are bleading dollars while everything is inflated to justify higher taxes. Notice the exchange rate with the euro lately? Notice the credit card balance? And?I bet Al Gore has his house set at 70 degrees and drives a gas eater. When there is nobody working to pay taxes the rich greedy?yuppies will get the bill?maybe they will?wake up. I used to blame the unions also........ Buy American Employ American Be?an American???
"David C. Hallam" wrote:
If the Wal-Mart business model had been discovered?sooner and applied by more American businesses, there would be a lot more of them still in operation.? The basic strategy followed by the major manufacturing companies was "Give the unions whatever they want no matter how unreasonable it may be?and keep the lines running.? We will just pass the additional cost along to the buyers." ? One day some one came along who could make and sell it for less money. ? David KC2JD ? All you need to do is study the management philosophy and practices of WalMart.
WalMart dictates the selling price to their suppliers, and when they say to WalMart that they cannot supply a product at what WalMart wants to pay, WalMart directs them to an overseas supplier of labor or parts, or parts and labor. If the supplier wishes to stay in business they follow orders.
There are no television manufacturers left in America.
There were never, not one, ever, facsimile machine manufacturers in America.
American business has chosen to divert monies to volumetric production schemes to lower consumer prices
and to increase selling stock, and to increase cellular coverage for more immediate return on investment than in research and development. The Japanese still devote a large portion of their manufacturing revenue into R&D. That is why they have surpassed the United States.
Our cellular telephone providers would rather sink money into radio systems increasing bandwidth and coverage volume than they would on hardening the system with backup generators, towers that are not at the 85% windload factor and battery plants that serve anything more than noise filters, as it would take a 100% increase in capacity to afford any sort of uninterruptible backup.
Find out who goes to medical schools these days.
Is it our sons and daughters who have studied hard and achieved academic excellence in their baccalaureate endeavors?
Or is it mostly off-shore students whose parents can afford to fund a chair?
Mike, you are entirely correct. RF amplifiers are too expensive to build here. Look at the latest edition that was touted on the reflector. Kilobucks.? Even the offshore amplifier companies are outrageous, like Emtron. The Ameritron might be our last chance. Alpha sure wont be the last bastion because their targeted market is so narrow. Its going to be Joe Ham that keeps Ameritron in the running, and Ameritron will need to contend with the competition FROM China for the last remaining component resources as the supply dwindles.
Hal Mandel W4HBM
From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:14 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A
At
08:42 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote: After WW-
II, Dr. Deming was invited to Japan to give lectures on how to go
about making high quality things that people will want to buy.
cheers, Jim
Isn't that amazing?? And now American automobile mfrs wonder why the mind set in this country (including me) is to buy Japanese cars. Now GM is struggling to regain it's reputation, and the labor unions are still wanting to price themselves out of a job and GM out of the market.
I wonder what percentage of ham amplifier products are made in the
US?? If they are being made off-shore, how much labor would it cost to build a quality product. Did you ever wonder what happened to Hallicrafters & Hammarlund? If someone knows what caused the demise of these two I would like to hear the story.? I still miss my HQ-129X. (No I didn't sell it.? It went under in 6 feet of salt water in Hurricane Carla in 1961)
73,
Mike, W5UC
"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
|
Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
Exactly correct. Unions have destroyed more US businesses than we can
count by demanding more wages and benefits than the employer could stand,
all with no regard for anyone but themselves.? That's why I shop at
Wal-Mart and admire them for standing up to Union pressure. I wonder if
they want to go into the Ham amplifier business?
73,
Mike, W5UC
At 10:39 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
If
the Wal-Mart business model had been discovered sooner and applied by
more American businesses, there would be a lot more of them still in
operation.? The basic strategy followed by the major manufacturing
companies was "Give the unions whatever they want no matter how
unreasonable it may be and keep the lines running.? We will just
pass the additional cost along to the buyers."
?
One day some one came along who could make
and sell it for less money.
?
David
KC2JD
?
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[
mailto:ham_amplifiers@...]On Behalf Of Harold
Mandel
- Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:04 AM
- To: ham_amplifiers@...
- Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A
- All you need to
do is study the management philosophy and practices of WalMart.
- WalMart dictates
the selling price to their suppliers, and when they say to WalMart that
they cannot
- supply a product
at what WalMart wants to pay, WalMart directs them to an overseas
supplier of labor
- or parts, or
parts and labor. If the supplier wishes to stay in business they follow
orders.
- There are no
television manufacturers left in America.
- There were never,
not one, ever, facsimile machine manufacturers in America.
- American business
has chosen to divert monies to volumetric production schemes to lower
consumer prices
- and to increase selling stock, and to increase cellular coverage for
more immediate return on investment than
- in research and
development. The Japanese still devote a large portion of their
manufacturing revenue into
- R&D. That is
why they have surpassed the United States.
- Our cellular
telephone providers would rather sink money into radio systems increasing
bandwidth and coverage volume than they would on hardening the system
with backup generators, towers that are not at the 85% windload factor
and battery plants that serve anything more than noise filters, as it
would take a 100% increase in capacity to afford any sort of
uninterruptible backup.
- Find out who goes
to medical schools these days.
- Is it our sons
and daughters who have studied hard and achieved academic excellence in
their
- baccalaureate
endeavors?
- Or is it mostly
off-shore students whose parents can afford to fund a chair?
- Mike, you are
entirely correct. RF amplifiers are too expensive to build here. Look at
the latest
- edition that was
touted on the reflector. Kilobucks.? Even the offshore amplifier
companies are
- outrageous, like
Emtron. The Ameritron might be our last chance. Alpha sure won¡¯t be the
last bastion
- because their
targeted market is so narrow. It¡¯s going to be Joe Ham that keeps
Ameritron in the running,
- and Ameritron
will need to contend with the competition FROM China for the last
remaining component resources as the supply dwindles.
- Hal Mandel
- W4HBM
- From: ham_amplifiers@...
[
mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Mike(W5UC)
& Kathy(K5MWH)
- Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:14 AM
- To: ham_amplifiers@...
- Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A
- At 08:42 AM 12/29/2006, you
wrote:
- After WW-
- II, Dr. Deming was invited to Japan to give lectures on how to go
- about making high quality things that people will want to buy.
- cheers, Jim
- Isn't that amazing?? And now American automobile mfrs wonder why
the mind set in this country (including me) is to buy Japanese cars. Now
GM is struggling to regain it's reputation, and the labor unions are
still wanting to price themselves out of a job and GM out of the market.
- I wonder what percentage of ham amplifier products are made in the
US?? If they are being made off-shore, how much labor would it cost
to build a quality product. Did you ever wonder what happened to
Hallicrafters & Hammarlund? If someone knows what caused the demise
of these two I would like to hear the story.? I still miss my
HQ-129X. (No I didn't sell it.? It went under in 6 feet of salt
water in Hurricane Carla in 1961)
- 73,
- Mike, W5UC
- "age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
-
"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
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Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
At 12:39 PM 12/29/2006, you wrote: I prefer to keep our money in America and have Americans working. So what if it costs more. So what if it costs more? Give me a break! Some of you elitists may be able to take that attitude, but the rest of us have to worry where our money goes. If I took that attitude I would have to forget Amateur Radio. I'm happy you are so flush. 73, Mike, W5UC "age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
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my Wife's best friend jost had his job out sourced to mexico to save a couple bucks on the lego toys. Maybe it will happen to you and you may catch my point. He has over 20 years with lego and 50 years old. The problem in this country today is nobody gives a crap about the next guy. Our economy shows it. BTW we now suck and would hate to see us go to war now that our manufacturing base is gone and most people don't know which end of a screw driver is the handle. Also I work hard for a living but would still pay more. I buy American every chance I get.
"Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)" wrote:
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At 12:39 PM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
>I prefer to keep our money in America and have Americans working. So
>what if it costs more.
So what if it costs more? Give me a break! Some of you elitists may
be able to take that attitude, but the rest of us have to worry where
our money goes. If I took that attitude I would have to forget Amateur Radio.
I'm happy you are so flush.
73,
Mike, W5UC
"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
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Maybe you will get a chance to work for the that great company in the future. I hear $8 an hour buys a lot of amplifiers. Bet you would love to join a union if you were making that big $8. I hear cutting grass is a good business to get into. How about flipping burgers? I drive buy this little machine shop that went out of business a while ago. We use to use them for rush jobs and they were cheap. Now we have to go far away and wait weeks explain how smart that was.
"Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)" wrote:
Exactly correct. Unions have destroyed more US businesses than we can count by demanding more wages and benefits than the employer could stand, all with no regard for anyone but themselves.? That's why I shop at Wal-Mart and admire them for standing up to Union pressure. I wonder if they want to go into the Ham amplifier business? 73, Mike, W5UC At 10:39 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote: If the Wal-Mart business model had been discovered sooner and applied by more American businesses, there would be a lot more of them still in operation.? The basic strategy followed by the major manufacturing companies was "Give the unions whatever they want no matter how unreasonable it may be and keep the lines running.? We will just pass the additional cost along to the buyers."
?
One day some one came along who could make and sell it for less money.
?
David
KC2JD
?
- -----Original Message-----
- From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Harold Mandel
- Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:04 AM
- To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: RE: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A
- All you need to do is study the management philosophy and practices of WalMart.
- WalMart dictates the selling price to their suppliers, and when they say to WalMart that they cannot
- supply a product at what WalMart wants to pay, WalMart directs them to an overseas supplier of labor
- or parts, or parts and labor. If the supplier wishes to stay in business they follow orders.
- There are no television manufacturers left in America.
- There were never, not one, ever, facsimile machine manufacturers in America.
- American business has chosen to divert monies to volumetric production schemes to lower consumer prices
- and to increase selling stock, and to increase cellular coverage for more immediate return on investment than
- in research and development. The Japanese still devote a large portion of
their manufacturing revenue into
- R&D. That is why they have surpassed the United States.
- Our cellular telephone providers would rather sink money into radio systems increasing bandwidth and coverage volume than they would on hardening the system with backup generators, towers that are not at the 85% windload factor and battery plants that serve anything more than noise filters, as it would take a 100% increase in capacity to afford any sort of uninterruptible backup.
- Find out who goes to medical schools these days.
- Is it our sons and daughters who have studied hard and achieved academic excellence in their
- baccalaureate
endeavors?
- Or is it mostly off-shore students whose parents can afford to fund a chair?
- Mike, you are entirely correct. RF amplifiers are too expensive to build here. Look at the latest
- edition that was touted on the reflector. Kilobucks.? Even the offshore amplifier companies are
- outrageous, like Emtron. The Ameritron might be our last chance. Alpha sure wont be the last bastion
- because their targeted market is so narrow. Its going to be Joe Ham that keeps Ameritron in the running,
- and Ameritron will need to contend with the competition FROM China for
the last remaining component resources as the supply dwindles.
- Hal Mandel
- W4HBM
- From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH)
- Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:14 AM
- To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Re: AL80-A
- At 08:42 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
- After WW-
- II, Dr. Deming was invited to Japan to give lectures on how to go
- about making
high quality things that people will want to buy.
- cheers, Jim
- Isn't that amazing?? And now American automobile mfrs wonder why the mind set in this country (including me) is to buy Japanese cars. Now GM is struggling to regain it's reputation, and the labor unions are still wanting to price themselves out of a job and GM out of the market.
- I wonder what percentage of ham amplifier products are made in the US?? If they are being made off-shore, how much labor would it cost to build a quality product. Did you ever wonder what happened to Hallicrafters & Hammarlund? If someone knows what caused the demise of these two I would like to hear the story.? I still miss my HQ-129X. (No I didn't sell it.? It went under in 6 feet of
salt water in Hurricane Carla in 1961)
- 73,
- Mike, W5UC
- "age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
-
"age & treachery will overcome youth & skill"
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