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This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly name-
calling.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked pretty
well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
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OK it isnt W8JI, who is it?
73 SM2EKM
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This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly name-
calling.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked pretty well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
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I am going to respect his anonymity.
73, Pete N4ZR
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At 08:32 AM 9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote: OK it isn?t W8JI, who is it?
73 SM2EKM
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Pete Smith wrote:
This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly name-
calling.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked pretty well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
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Yes I know you would but there might be others!
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I am going to respect his anonymity.
73, Pete N4ZR
At 08:32 AM 9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
OK it isnt W8JI, who is it?
73 SM2EKM
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Pete Smith wrote:
This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly name-
calling.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked pretty well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
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Mike\(W5UC\) & Kathy\(K5MWH\)
Pete, I guess you do what you think you
must do, BUT, I have a lot of trouble with the idea that someone operates an “open”
forum and feels the need to hide.? That concept really bothers me.? I post my
name and callsign every time I post to a reflector, and I am very suspicious
about the intentions of someone who feels the need to hide in the shadows.
?
73,
Mike, W5UC
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From:
ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 20,
2006 9:26 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers]
Censorship/Administrator
?
I am going to respect his anonymity.
73, Pete N4ZR
At 08:32 AM 9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
>OK it isn?t W8JI, who is it?
>
>73 SM2EKM
>--------------------------------------
>Pete Smith wrote:
>> This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
>> a few misconceptions:
>>
>> Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
>>
>> W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of
>> Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on
>> Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
>>
>> I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules -
sign
>> your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
>> personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
>> parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly name-
>> calling.
>>
>>>From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked
pretty
>> well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
>>
>> 73, Pete Smith N4ZR
>>
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--- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Pete Smith" <n4zr@...> wrote: I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
personal. I agree Pete, although I also maintain strict topic focus on the Topband reflector. AG6K wrote: I was booted off of AMPS by W8JI, Charles Thomas Rauch, Jr. This list is off to a great start with a lie. I know who the moderator is also and confirm it's not W8JI (...or me). 73, Bill
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Pete Smith wrote: This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps There is no Admin of AMPS. From its beginning in late 1996, AMPS has always had a moderator --- who was identified. I got booted off AMPS three times by three different moderators for questioning the accuracy of W8JI's technical statements. I'm not either ;^) Chortle. Nobody is the "Administrator". It's another Rauchian word game. For example, Tom says I wasn't booted off of AMPS, he says I was "unsubscribed".
W4AN was not a fan of free speech -
Definitely not. AMPS got started in 1996 because things went badly for W8JI during the grate parasitics debate on rec.amateur- radio.homebrew. W4AN's AMPS provided W8JI with a venue where anyone who disagreed with W8JI's technical fumbles could be booted. Thus, Tom's guru status could be protected, at least in the minds of those who believed in his infallibility. RE: W4AN & free speech: After Bill Fisher died at such a young age, I tried to find out how it happened. I could find out nothing from the County Coroner. Rumor was that there was an automobile accident, that the car landed in water a considerable distance from the highway, and that it happened near a drag-strip in Georgia. My guess is that the Coroner's Report was suppressed because the toxicology finding would have been an embarrassment. he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy. Censoring posts should be a last resort. When censoring becomes a weapon to protect pals, the group gradually loses credibility and begins morphing into a mutual admiration society.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
personal.
sounds reasonable, but the ultimate censor is being ignored by the rest of the group. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly name-
calling. AMPS has had ugly name-calling and no action was taken because the name-caller was a pal of the "Administrator"-censor, W8JI. During the grate debate on rec.amateur-radio.homebrew, there was an abundance of name calling from the Rauchian camp after Wes, N7WS, published the measurements of Q, Rp, Z, and Y of low-Q parasitic suppressors vs. W8JI parasitic suppressors.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked pretty
well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
But Joe Subich is Tom's pal. farewell, Pete
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
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I just hope we don't spend 3 weeks deciding which size wire to run to the shack. That one sent me running away.
bill_w4zv wrote:
--- In ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Pete Smith" wrote: > I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign > your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not > personal. I agree Pete, although I also
maintain strict topic focus on the Topband reflector. AG6K wrote: >I was booted off of AMPS by W8JI, Charles Thomas Rauch, Jr. This list is off to a great start with a lie. I know who the moderator is also and confirm it's not W8JI (...or me). 73, Bill
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My guess is that Pete won't get banned from here, if that was what he was implying. If he chooses not to post here, it will be of his own free will. at least, this is my understanding of policy on this new and improved list. I wonder who else has been banned from the other list in the past week... At 04:45 AM 9/20/2006, you wrote: This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
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And what's the alternative? I should "out" him? That's not my prerogative, either.
I have been a member of amps since its inception, and while I disagree with prior restraint of speech, I think its series of moderators have acted with great self-control in the face of extraordinary provocation. I believe the previous moderator resigned at least in part because of the private vitriol directed at him.
I'm done now - if you guys are going to run an amps reflector, talk amps.
73, Pete N4ZR
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At 11:45 AM 9/20/2006, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) wrote: Pete, I guess you do what you think you must do, BUT, I have a lot of trouble with the idea that someone operates an “open” forum and feels the need to hide. That concept really bothers me. I post my name and callsign every time I post to a reflector, and I am very suspicious about the intentions of someone who feels the need to hide in the shadows.
73,
Mike, W5UC
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From: ham_amplifiers@... [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:26 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Censorship/Administrator
I am going to respect his anonymity.
73, Pete N4ZR
At 08:32 AM 9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
OK it isn?t W8JI, who is it?
73 SM2EKM
--------------------------------------
Pete Smith wrote:
This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly name-
calling.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked pretty well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...> wrote:
I just hope we don't spend 3 weeks deciding which size wire to run
to the shack. That one sent me running away. ### I suggested at least 2 ga wire to my buddy. Turns out it shoulda been a heluva lot bigger.... once we determined the peak current on the 240 vac line.... every 8.3 msecs..... using Duncans amp tools. The chief culprit was the input Z of the plate xfmr primary [aprx 70 ohms]... and NOT the meassured .08 ohm Dc resistance. ### To get bigger wire to fit a 100 A breaker.... snip a few strands off the outer layer... and re-twist... fits like a glove. Later... Jim VE7RF
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, pentalab wrote: --- In ham_amplifiers@..., FRANCIS CARCIA <carcia@...>
wrote:
I just hope we don't spend 3 weeks deciding which size wire to run
to the shack.
That one sent me running away. ### I suggested at least 2 ga wire to my buddy. Turns out it
shoulda been a heluva lot bigger.... once we determined the
peak current on the 240 vac line.... every 8.3 msecs..... using
Duncans amp tools. The chief culprit was the input Z of the
plate xfmr primary [aprx 70 ohms]... and NOT the
meassured .08 ohm Dc resistance. The Z looking into the primary is a function of what's on the secondary.
### To get bigger wire to fit a 100 A breaker.... snip a few
strands off the outer layer... and re-twist... fits like a glove.
Silver soldering the remaining strands with 6%-Ag, 94%-Sn (221?C) solder is helpful.
Later... Jim VE7RF
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote: And what's the alternative? I should "out" him? That's not my
prerogative, either.
I have been a member of amps since its inception, and while I
disagree with prior restraint of speech, I think its series of
moderators have acted with great self-control in the face of
extraordinary provocation. I believe the previous moderator
resigned at least in part because of the private vitriol directed
at him.
I'm done now - if you guys are going to run an amps reflector, talk
amps. But you are opposed to talking about those who censor amplifier discussions?
73, Pete N4ZR
At 11:45 AM 9/20/2006, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) wrote:
Pete, I guess you do what you think you must do, BUT, I have a lot
of trouble with the idea that someone operates an “open” forum and
feels the need to hide. That concept really bothers me. I post
my name and callsign every time I post to a reflector, and I am
very suspicious about the intentions of someone who feels the need
to hide in the shadows.
73,
Mike, W5UC
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From: ham_amplifiers@...
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:26 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Censorship/Administrator
I am going to respect his anonymity.
73, Pete N4ZR
At 08:32 AM 9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
OK it isn?t W8JI, who is it?
73 SM2EKM
--------------------------------------
Pete Smith wrote:
This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to
clear
a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a
knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules
- sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it
substantive, not
personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly
name-
calling.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked
pretty well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
Yahoo! Groups Links
Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Dino Darling wrote: My guess is that Pete won't get banned from here, if that was what he
was implying. If he chooses not to post here, it will be of his own
free will. at least, this is my understanding of policy on this new
and improved list.
I wonder who else has been banned from the other list in the past week... Probably no one. Apparently Tom has been quietly censoring AMPS members who mention this group.
At 04:45 AM 9/20/2006, you wrote:
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 9:30 AM, bill_w4zv wrote: --- In ham_amplifiers@..., "Pete Smith" <n4zr@...> wrote:
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules - sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it substantive, not
personal. I agree Pete, although I also maintain strict topic focus on the
Topband reflector. I got booted off of Topband for questioning questionable technical statements bu Tom RAUCH, W8JI. Bill, are you a friend of Tom?
AG6K wrote:
I was booted off of AMPS by W8JI, Charles Thomas Rauch, Jr. This list is off to a great start with a lie. I know who the
moderator is also and confirm it's not W8JI (...or me).
73, Bill
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Mike((W5UC)) & Kathy((K5MWH)) wrote: Pete, I guess you do what you think you must do, BUT, I have a lot
of trouble with the idea that someone operates an “open” forum and
feels the need to hide. That concept really bothers me. I post my
name and callsign every time I post to a reflector, and I am very
suspicious about the intentions of someone who feels the need to
hide in the shadows. Amen, Mike. I found it curious that Tom knew the reasons why I got "unsubscribed" / jackbooted from AMPS without the reasons having been posted.
73,
Mike, W5UC
From: ham_amplifiers@...
[mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:26 AM
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Censorship/Administrator
I am going to respect his anonymity.
73, Pete N4ZR
At 08:32 AM 9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
OK it isn?t W8JI, who is it?
73 SM2EKM
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Pete Smith wrote:
This may be my first and last post on this list, but I wanted to clear
a few misconceptions:
Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either ;^)
W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a
knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
I run a local community affairs mailing list with only two rules
- sign
your real name and maintain basic civility - keep it
substantive, not
personal. In 6 years, I've had to ban one person for a week. A
parallel list has no such rules, and has disintegrated into ugly
name-
calling.
From what I have read, such a regime on amps would have worked
pretty
well, though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
73, Pete Smith N4ZR
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It's also funny that when I asked on the amps reflector if Rich had been
kicked off, Tom wrote back to me the reasons he was kicked off for, before it
ever showed up on the reflector that he was gone. The admin guy didn't answer me
until the next day.? If the admin guy is not Tom, then he must be helping
the admin guy censor.?
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Mike((W5UC)) &
Kathy((K5MWH)) wrote:
> Pete, I guess you do what you think you must
do, BUT, I have a lot?
> of trouble with the idea that someone
operates an “open” forum and?
> feels the need to hide.? That
concept really bothers me.? I post my?
> name and callsign
every time I post to a reflector, and I am very?
> suspicious
about the intentions of someone who feels the need to?
> hide in
the shadows.
Amen, Mike.? I found it curious that Tom knew the
reasons why I got?
"unsubscribed" / jackbooted from AMPS without the
reasons having been?
posted.
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73,
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> Mike, W5UC
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From: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroupscom?
> [mailto:ham_amplifiers@...] On Behalf Of Pete
Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:26 AM
> To: ham_amplifiers@yahoogroupscom
>
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers]
Censorship/Administrator
>
>
>
> I am going to respect
his anonymity.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
> At 08:32 AM
9/20/2006, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
> >OK it isn?t W8JI, who is
it?
> >
> >73 SM2EKM
>
>--------------------------------------
> >Pete Smith
wrote:
> >> This may be my first and last post on this list, but I
wanted to?
> clear
> >> a few misconceptions:
>
>>
> >> Tom Rausch is not the Admin of Amps. I'm not either
;^)
> >>
> >> W4AN was not a fan of free speech - he
replaced me as Admin of
> >> Towertalk when I refused to censor
posts there; this is not a?
> knock on
> >> Bill, just
a difference of philosophy.
> >>
> >> I run a local
community affairs mailing list with only two rules?
> -
sign
> >> your real name and maintain basic civility - keep
it?
> substantive, not
> >> personal. In 6 years, I've
had to ban one person for a week. A
> >> parallel list has no such
rules, and has disintegrated into ugly?
> name-
> >>
calling.
> >>
> >>>From what I have read, such a
regime on amps would have worked?
> pretty
> >> well,
though the Admin would have had to ban a few people.
> >>
>
>> 73, Pete Smith N4ZR
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very much so.
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Mr. Rauch just censored my reply to the Henry 3KA
Step Start subject which I've posted to Ian White GM3SEK and the
group.
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It seems that the hand of doom of the AMPS censor
will follow me for ever ;-))))))))))))))))
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> was
implying. If he chooses not to post here, it will be of his own
> free
will. at least, this is my understanding of policy on this new
> and
improved list.
>
> I wonder who else has been banned from the
other list in the past
> week...
Probably no one. Apparently Tom
has been quietly censoring AMPS
members who mention this
group.
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Bill Fisher W4AN committed suicide on April 4 2004.
You can read here:
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W4AN was not a fan of free speech - RE: W4AN & free speech: After Bill Fisher died at such a young age, I tried to find out how it happened. I could find out nothing from the County Coroner. Rumor was that there was an automobile accident, that the car landed in water a considerable distance from the highway, and that it happened near a drag-strip in Georgia. My guess is that the Coroner's Report was suppressed because the toxicology finding would have been an embarrassment.
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Perhaps the thread should be retitled "Irresponsible conjecture revealed."
73 and QRT de N4ZR
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Bill Fisher W4AN committed suicide on April 4 2004.
You can read here:
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W4AN was not a fan of free speech - RE: W4AN & free speech: After Bill Fisher died at such a young age,
I tried to find out how it happened. I could find out nothing from
the County Coroner. Rumor was that there was an automobile accident,
that the car landed in water a considerable distance from the
highway, and that it happened near a drag-strip in Georgia. My guess
is that the Coroner's Report was suppressed because the toxicology
finding would have been an embarrassment.
he replaced me as Admin of
Towertalk when I refused to censor posts there; this is not a knock on
Bill, just a difference of philosophy.
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