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Re: Tuned input

 

Far circuit boards makes the circuit board for a tuned input. It uses relays and comes in 6 band thru 8 band modules. Check with them. It looks like W4ZT was the designer. Mike

On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 09:43:40 AM EST, W7WRX <clark@...> wrote:


You don't. They don't make it anymore. They only sell the regular auto tuner.? It's a major kludge. Hence me wanting to install a real tuned input.

C

On Dec 29, 2023 10:33 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 7:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They actually made that unit to be powered up.? If you turn off power, relays unlatch and radio sees no load and or super high swr.

If ya want to blow your radio up follow Steve's advice :)

Dang... they actually designed it so screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...? 8-/

Actually, that makes sense since these aren't latching relays.

So instead, you somehow have to whet it's desire to go retune when the SWR goes too high... how to do that, I wonder?

Steve, K0XP



C

On Dec 29, 2023 4:52 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP


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You don't. They don't make it anymore. They only sell the regular auto tuner.? It's a major kludge. Hence me wanting to install a real tuned input.

C

On Dec 29, 2023 10:33 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 7:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They actually made that unit to be powered up.? If you turn off power, relays unlatch and radio sees no load and or super high swr.

If ya want to blow your radio up follow Steve's advice :)

Dang... they actually designed it so screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...? 8-/

Actually, that makes sense since these aren't latching relays.

So instead, you somehow have to whet it's desire to go retune when the SWR goes too high... how to do that, I wonder?

Steve, K0XP



C

On Dec 29, 2023 4:52 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP


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Re: Tuned input

 

That's the one. Are they still made?

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 07:58:57 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:


Sorry. I forgot the link.


On 30/12/2023 8:57 am, Alek Petkovic via groups.io wrote:

No, you are right Mike. It was WD7S.

Alek.

On 30/12/2023 8:50 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
That call does not seem like the one I was thinking about. Seems it was W7__? __? ? I could be wrong.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 07:29:58 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:


W7IUV. Discontinued long ago.

Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 8:13 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
Wasn't there a 7 call ham that made such a board? Think he also made high voltage boards.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 06:52:48 PM EST, Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:


On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP



Re: AL80-B tuned input

 

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I forgot to mention that the capacitor values quoted in the user manual bear no resmblance to the ones mounted on the board. I bought a complete new board from Ameritron and same thing. Completely different to the manual.

Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 9:43 am, NI5L wrote:

The 2 prior posts are a perfect segue into my question. My input SWR on 30 is over 3 to 1 and 12 meters is about 2 to 1. The rest seem ok.?

I have searched high and low for instructions on the proper method to tune the input slugs. I know there will be compromises between 20/30, 15/17 and AUX output per band.?

Do any of you guys have a simple way to adjust the slugs to get the input SWR down to a better place? I'm lost here.

Thanks and 73

Warren / NI5L


Re: Tuned input

 

I wonder if one of these cheap china atu's could be made to work.



They also sell the setup outside if it's box for 40bucks worth a try??

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166521005922?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Ec92ZeF4TSa&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=z3n9lCyhQEC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=SMS

In case the link doesn't work, search atu 100 on eBay or similar.?


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On 12/29/2023 7:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They actually made that unit to be powered up.? If you turn off power, relays unlatch and radio sees no load and or super high swr.

If ya want to blow your radio up follow Steve's advice :)

Dang... they actually designed it so screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...? 8-/

Actually, that makes sense since these aren't latching relays.

So instead, you somehow have to whet it's desire to go retune when the SWR goes too high... how to do that, I wonder?

Steve, K0XP



C

On Dec 29, 2023 4:52 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP


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See my QRZ.com page at


Re: Tuned input

 

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They actually made that unit to be powered up.? If you turn off power, relays unlatch and radio sees no load and or super high swr.

If ya want to blow your radio up follow Steve's advice :)

C

On Dec 29, 2023 4:52 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP



Re: AL80-B tuned input

 

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Here's the secret for 30m.

20m and 30m share the same slug and they are far apart in frequency. The advice I got from Ameritron is that you can tune for 20m OR tune for 30m. You can't have both. Make your choice and live with it.

Given the legal constraints on 30m, it is most logical to set it for 20m but I ain't gonna judge anyone.

10m and 12m are similar, to a certain extent. You may just need to live with the 2:1 on 12m.

If you are a CW man only, you will need to insert additional slugs in the 160m and 80m coil formers.?

The cores are all but impossible to move or get out. A good thing to assist is to use locksmiths graphite powder and liberally puff it down into the coil tubes from each end before you start trying to move them.


On 30/12/2023 9:43 am, NI5L wrote:

The 2 prior posts are a perfect segue into my question. My input SWR on 30 is over 3 to 1 and 12 meters is about 2 to 1. The rest seem ok.?

I have searched high and low for instructions on the proper method to tune the input slugs. I know there will be compromises between 20/30, 15/17 and AUX output per band.?

Do any of you guys have a simple way to adjust the slugs to get the input SWR down to a better place? I'm lost here.

Thanks and 73

Warren / NI5L


Re: AL-80B fan

 

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Including the beer, count on four. If he only has coffee, it'll probly be just two? 8-)

Steve, K0XP


On 12/29/2023 5:41 PM, Bob wrote:
LOL! I'm gonna go there mid afternoon after work and was curious how long this will take. An hour, 2 hours, 4 hours???
Bob W4JFA

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023, 8:15 PM Alek Petkovic via <vk6apk=[email protected]> wrote:

Depends on how much beer you are gonna drink.

It's actually pretty simple from memory.

73, Alek.

On 30/12/2023 9:13 am, Bob wrote:
Hi all, I'm going to help a friend replace the fan in his AL-80B amp. Is this an hour job or do I need to count on a half day or so?

Thanks, Bob W4JFA?
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W7RY?? Dunno whether he made such animals, but he did provide other animals for our zoos? 8-D

Steve, K0XP


On 12/29/2023 4:50 PM, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
That call does not seem like the one I was thinking about. Seems it was W7__? __? ? I could be wrong.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 07:29:58 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:


W7IUV. Discontinued long ago.

Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 8:13 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
Wasn't there a 7 call ham that made such a board? Think he also made high voltage boards.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 06:52:48 PM EST, Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:


On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP


--
See my QRZ.com page at


AL80-B tuned input

NI5L
 

The 2 prior posts are a perfect segue into my question. My input SWR on 30 is over 3 to 1 and 12 meters is about 2 to 1. The rest seem ok.?

I have searched high and low for instructions on the proper method to tune the input slugs. I know there will be compromises between 20/30, 15/17 and AUX output per band.?

Do any of you guys have a simple way to adjust the slugs to get the input SWR down to a better place? I'm lost here.

Thanks and 73

Warren / NI5L


Re: AL-80B fan

 

LOL! I'm gonna go there mid afternoon after work and was curious how long this will take. An hour, 2 hours, 4 hours???
Bob W4JFA

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023, 8:15 PM Alek Petkovic via <vk6apk=[email protected]> wrote:

Depends on how much beer you are gonna drink.

It's actually pretty simple from memory.

73, Alek.

On 30/12/2023 9:13 am, Bob wrote:
Hi all, I'm going to help a friend replace the fan in his AL-80B amp. Is this an hour job or do I need to count on a half day or so?

Thanks, Bob W4JFA?


Re: AL-80B fan

 

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Depends on how much beer you are gonna drink.

It's actually pretty simple from memory.

73, Alek.

On 30/12/2023 9:13 am, Bob wrote:

Hi all, I'm going to help a friend replace the fan in his AL-80B amp. Is this an hour job or do I need to count on a half day or so?

Thanks, Bob W4JFA?


AL-80B fan

 

Hi all, I'm going to help a friend replace the fan in his AL-80B amp. Is this an hour job or do I need to count on a half day or so?

Thanks, Bob W4JFA?


Re: Tuned input

 

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Sorry. I forgot the link.


On 30/12/2023 8:57 am, Alek Petkovic via groups.io wrote:

No, you are right Mike. It was WD7S.

Alek.

On 30/12/2023 8:50 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
That call does not seem like the one I was thinking about. Seems it was W7__? __? ? I could be wrong.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 07:29:58 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:


W7IUV. Discontinued long ago.

Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 8:13 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
Wasn't there a 7 call ham that made such a board? Think he also made high voltage boards.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 06:52:48 PM EST, Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:


On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP



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No, you are right Mike. It was WD7S.

Alek.

On 30/12/2023 8:50 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:

That call does not seem like the one I was thinking about. Seems it was W7__? __? ? I could be wrong.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 07:29:58 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:


W7IUV. Discontinued long ago.

Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 8:13 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
Wasn't there a 7 call ham that made such a board? Think he also made high voltage boards.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 06:52:48 PM EST, Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:


On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP



Re: Tuned input

 

That call does not seem like the one I was thinking about. Seems it was W7__? __? ? I could be wrong.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 07:29:58 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:


W7IUV. Discontinued long ago.

Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 8:13 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:
Wasn't there a 7 call ham that made such a board? Think he also made high voltage boards.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 06:52:48 PM EST, Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:


On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP



Re: Tuned input

 

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I have the AT100 AMP board with the special PIC. I believe the chip is common but I don't think I know anyone that can copy them.

73, Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 7:49 am, Alek Petkovic via groups.io wrote:

The amplifier version of the AT100 tuner has different stuff programmed into the PIC chip.

73, Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 7:46 am, Steve wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:38 PM, HaL Mandel wrote:

Hi Tuner-Seeker W7WRX!

?

I believe that LDG makes a board-size

tuner just for amp builders.

?

7 Band, 9 Band, I’m not sure.

?

But they advertise in QST.

?

They’ve been doing that for years.

I just bought two of them for $5 each at a local radio club auction, configured as coax-fed remote antenna tuners (RT-100 and RC-100, no longer sold) intended to be mounted at the antenna, complete with remote which also contains the bias tee (power is supplied through the coax from the remote). W4ZT (and perhaps K4POZ, too) used these for tuned input circuits on some of his amplifiers. Back when they were sold, IIRC, they were around $139 each.

73,

Steve K0XP



Re: Tuned input

 

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W7IUV. Discontinued long ago.

Alek VK6APK

On 30/12/2023 8:13 am, mike repinski via groups.io wrote:

Wasn't there a 7 call ham that made such a board? Think he also made high voltage boards.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 06:52:48 PM EST, Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:


On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP



Re: Tuned input

 

Wasn't there a 7 call ham that made such a board? Think he also made high voltage boards.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 06:52:48 PM EST, Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:


On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.

I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job....

Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive.

Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units.

Steve, K0XP